.... Didnt know you was single Kelly?Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
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.... Didnt know you was single Kelly?Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
I already had 2 long term relationships with 2 TGirls. I even brought one home to meet mom. Neither one worked out, too much drama, and I got screwed over, really screwed over. But, there was love, so you take the good and the bad. Would I do it again, don't know. I've avoided relationships for over 4 years, that's kind of telling. I can say one thing for sure, the girls I dated were treated as such, like ladies. Just the way it should be. My 2 Cents....time for bed.
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Originally Posted by Shining Star
Phobun's right on both points. I have nothing against Ms Fox, and she is beautiful, but there are, self-evidently,far, far more attractive women than she. I am not sure I know who the most attractive woman on the planet is, but I do know that, easy on the eye though she may be, it's certainly not Megan Fox; indeed she doesn't come into the top rank at all.
Secondly, as Phobun says, not all men who have an interest in transwomen are looking for a dick. Far from it.
And there are many transwomen who do "pass" all the time--the reason they don't register on the radar is that they use that ability to simply vanish altogether. What is certainly true is that, in the long term, the effects of testosterone simply cannot be held at bay forever, and without at the very least a bilateral orchidectomy it will eventually catch up. There is simply no reason why a woman who has had her testes removed should masculinise any further and her subsequent physical development, given the proper hormone therapy, will be completely female. This does not undo the damage that may have been done by testosterone before her decision to remove her testes, however. The fact is that transwomen are working to a very harsh biological clock, but the trick can be pulled off and it often is. Even Lynn Conway, who has become very well known, lived in total stealth, unnoticed and certainly not outed, in a pretty public position, for nearly thirty years before it was realised that the work done by the man she was previously known as (without which you would not be looking at your computer) and the later work done by the woman she is, was in fact done by the same person--in other words, she was outed by her history, not by being clocked, and Lynn is definitely not alone.
Regarding the OP, and talking about serious romantic engagements, the kind of transwoman I personally might be interested in having such a relationship with (and I am not looking so it's hypothetical anyway) would probably not be interested in a man who had any interest in "trannies" in the first place; so I am somewhat hoist by my own petard. It happens a lot. :shrug
Just for the record, I would and I did date a ts. Great experience but there was some drama and I tried to find another over the years but ended up looking for and choosing genetic female but I still dream of the right tgirl...
I think I found out tonite that I can not, as I previously thought, date a TS working girl. I realized over the past few nights that the work schedule of most TS working girls is very, very different than most GG working girls, and with my current life situation, it's just not going to be feasible to find someone who is a working girl, who I like and is independent, and has a schedule which I can offer her what she would need in a BF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shining Star
You're right about schedules.It's a real challenge..and sometimes a heartbreaker, but something positive sometimes comes out of that too. For instance (and without trying to get all faggy over it)..I learned that sometimes the time you have to spend together is far more important than previously realized.I used to get a little bitter about it (WTF..I probably still do ..lol) but I know that the time we have together is precious.. (and sometimes given to me at great personal inconvenience..which when I got over my pouting-came to realize..so that I try to cherish the moments all the more). Sometimes obstacles like that can make a relationship stronger (..or admittedly destroy it)..just gotta get over the hurdles...(be easier if I wasn't such a basketcase...lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by slinky
To be honest, it's really more of a sexual fetish for me.
I like my relationships to be relatively free of drama and baggage. Tgirls, through no fault of their own, typically have a lot of it because of the extreme difficulty society gives them while they grow up and transition.
We have been dating that long. We don't live in the same city and she lives with her mother and father who are both very old and suffering mental and physical deficits. So, we get together and spend each Saturday together. It is so much fun and so special. Yup. I date a tgirl.
Suppose that would depend upon what sort and type of "escort" one is dating.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunkiex
A girl with regular clients and or an other means of income besides working (such as a 9-5) probably could run on your "schedule".
Think the problem at the moment is with the economy being so tough, girls are having to work harder and longer to make ends meet. If a girl hasn't turned a date all week, and one calls at 1AM and is on her "corner", guess what is going to happen?
Do know of gay, trannie and GG escorts that work on a schedule. Mainly either because they have school or other things to for part of the day, or in most cases to keep "traffic" in and out of their apartment restricted to certian periods of the day.
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I would definetely like to get more intimate, if the "Vibe" was correct, and the love was mutual, and it would feel good for both of us. Then there wouldn't be any reason not to get into a loving relationship with her - I Guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by RubyTS
I really dont see what the big deal is about dating a TS. Your either a cool person or your a dick. If your attracted to someone your attracted period.Who cares about the Ts part or whatever??
here is my dream woman...
GOOD DREAM!
Some people are more interested in the dick than the cool person.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUNGTOP552
Their no problem dating TS I think it would be exciting everyone thinking I have a real woman on a date not knowing she's a TS. Plus their pleasure in the unknown. What I don't like is to be with a pro who's just there for the money not ofr the enjoyment of my company.
i would date a TS and i would be willing to be in a long term relationship with her as long as we had trust and chemistry...i know u want pics ruby but if any of the girls wanna see what i look like pm me and ill show you a picture of me
I think most guys just care about the cock and not really how beautiful the TS is :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by phobun
Beauty and sexiness are definitely important too.Quote:
Originally Posted by alyssats
have in the past,been in a relationship,dated,and would again if the right TS came along.
Alyssa.. that is sad that your post is probably correct. But there are a few of that believe that if you like a girl then why does it matter what is between her legs. ANY guy that is infatuated with a girl because she has a cock, is either a JOHN, or actually gay.
For me, I have a close friend that is on here that I would date in a heartbeat if we were in the same city. She is the sweetest person I know and beautiful inside and out.. and personally I could care less what is between her legs. If she gets SRS, I will love her just the same.
Now conversely there are some girls here that are just about the $$ and those girls and those guys match up just fine. They fill each others needs.
Yeah, that's exactly what every woman wants-- to be a freak to gratify the sexual fetish of some guy. Please. If you want to get off on a fetish, explore your gay, sorry "alternative sexuality" side, get off on fooling your wee chums at the pub, sure, that can be arranged--for a price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icanthelpmyself
But if you want to love someone it's not about those things, it's about caring about what SHE wants and needs, not how YOU get off. That is the deal--you put HER needs and feelings first, and she reciprocates. (You hope.)
That is why, in their real, personal lives, so many transsexual women mistrust men who are "into trannies." They are women who would just like to be accepted and made to feel wanted AS WOMEN, not as freak-show entertainments or sex objects.
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Originally Posted by samstl99
I take it you are just blown away by her lovely dark eyes? Or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by valsoldese1
Why is my cock-hound radar going flippy-floppy? Sheesh.
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Originally Posted by BiGuy4TS
Thanks for the input samstl99, im not saying all guys just like the cock from TS but Ive noticed most of them. Yes youve got my point just example if a TS undergo SRS most guys become very unsupportive and seems they dont like her already. And nice to hear there are still some guys there who appreciate the TS beauty overall package(inside and outside beauty) than just her cock jejeQuote:
Originally Posted by samstl99
Unfortunately that's all too common. I have seen some really crass, downright offensive things written here and elsewhere about girls who complete their transitions, and it must really hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by alyssats
I just think that if you like someone, whether you've had sex with her or not, or even fantasised about it, you should want for that person whatever she wants; I fail to see how a woman after SRS is any less a woman. I think men who diss girls for getting the SRS they have worked so hard to achieve are about as low as it gets.
FWIW I think there are some men who see transsexual women as an unusual and very interesting type of woman, and there are some (many) men who see transsexual women as a freaky, sexually attractive yet unthreatening type of man, with whom they can indulge their homosexuality without having to admit that that is what it actually is. They'll deny it of course, but then, why else would they be upset when a girl has her manhood changed into a womanhood?
:shrug QED, really.
My sentiments exactly! Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacShreach
While I think it's unfortunate that there are a lot of men who will spurn a girl after SRS, it seems to me that saying that those men are engaging in a "safe" form of homosexuality is possibly an over-simplification of the issue (with exceptions of course).
It seems to me that fetishizing a dual gender entity, or third gender entity, has been going on a lot longer and in much deeper ways than what we see here on the boards. Mankind has been obsessed with hermaphroditic deities since time untold, and not just icons or fetishes with both genetalia, but most commonly with a TG style of imagery involved. Even the greek god Hermpahroditus didn't have both sexual organs, but a feminine appearance and male genetalia. Let alone the countless other societies that have similar gods, and the appropriate fetishes and icons to represent them.
I don't really mean to argue the point that there are a lot of guys who are just after tgirl cock--and those people probably would not actually date a TS with the intent of marrying and loving that person, but I do kind of take exception to the idea that just because someone finds a mixed gender person attractive, does not necessarily make them a closeted homo who doesn't have the balls to live their life out in the open. These sort of cross-gender, intergender, third gender issues have been bubbling around in the collective unconscious forever, even in cultures where homosexuality didn't carry the stigma it does in our modern culture. I think it's more complex than "oh, you're gay but don't know it."
my two cents.
If I am attracted to her then it isn't even a question.. Of course I would. I don't care if she's had SRS or not. In fact, in a way, I don't like that because that is pretty radical surgery AND you can be a chick and have a dick. I'm more drawn/attracted to women (and TS) with big breasts so that's a surgery type thing but my point remains the same--If I'm attracted to her then I'd date her no questions asked, no matter if she was born with a vagine-gine or a yoohoo.
On the assumption that you are responding to me,
Various forms of transgenderism have been documented all over the world, for thousands of years, including ancient Greece but also India and the Americas; recent research has shown that travestis were revered in Peruvian culture 450 years ago and therefore the tradition certainly must extend into the pre-Columbian era. Frankly it would surprise me if this were not the case; polytheistic cultures often exhibit a range of belief and cultural practise that the strict dualism imposed by Abrahamic religion completely forbids.Quote:
Originally Posted by raiku9909
This observation, however, in no way sheds any light whatsoever on the reasons why men are interested in the phenomenon, it just confirms that it has been going on for a long time.
As for the reasons themselves, well, there are clearly, straight (well, pretty much) varying degrees of bisexual and both closeted and openly gay men who are attracted to transgender women, and the women to whom they are attracted range from cross-dressing men "en femme" (eg Lexx Parker/Kayla Coxx,) to post-operative transsexual women. This whole phenomenon is very complex, so it would be odd indeed if the male element were not also so.
You are fairly new here, you may not have read into the posting history of the members, and I have to say the atmosphere here is far better than it has been at times in the past--as was demonstrated when it was announced recently that Sabrina de Paulo had undergone SRS and most of the comments were very positive.
Nevertheless, a thorough look around the other threads going on right now should leave you in no doubt whatsoever that there are men here who definitely do use transsexual women to fuel their homosexual fantasies and fetishes, and these are the very same men who make the most fuss and say the most hurtful things when a woman gets her SRS, or even suggests that she might. These are gay men, whatever they may call themselves. It really is QED.
Oh, they do know it, actually. The reason it matters is not because there is something wrong with being gay--there most certainly is NOT--but because some of the gay men we are talking about put the gratification of their own fetish above a woman's need to be who she really is, and worse, they are prepared to use what power they have to that end.Quote:
I think it's more complex than "oh, you're gay but don't know it."
Transsexual women have enough to deal with, without the added burden of a bunch of closeted homosexual men giving them flak for being what they actually are--women.
These are two points that basically fit into my situation. Just because I like tgirls doesn't mean that I am afraid to live a gay life with a man. I don't do that because it fuckin disgusts me!Quote:
Originally Posted by raiku9909
I hate the fact that some tgirl women constantly state how they are women, period. Yet those girls often deride a man for being into tgirls, calling him a closeted homo, and to "just go and live your life with a man you cowardly, dick sucking, faggot!" Why is it so one sided? I like tgirls, period. These girls are free to transition and call themselves women, I'm free to love the type of girl that I want and to not be judged one way or another.
All I date now are tgirls, and maybe one day I will find the right one. Don't know why it has to be so hard, maybe part of it is that girls want to insist that I am really just a homo, and that I want men, and therefor they never really trust their feelings with me.
WOW. this is really turning into a terrific discussion, and thanks to all of you for allowing me with my limited experience to participate. I feel that I am really learning a lot and enriching my perspective on things.
It has been my own personal experience with everyone I have ever known that often behind what others perceive to be a jaded or tough exterior is a sensitive, caring individual who wants love but has been hurt enough to keep up a strong guard with people...it's never really accurate to say that someone else is all that bad a person without walking in their shoes.
having said that, it seems, and I may be wrong, that a Tgirl's reaction to a man simply interested in a girl with a dick is more an objection to being objectified, the same way that GG's often have difficulty having men talk to their face instead of the pussy.
speaking of SRS, if someone loved you in the first place, then of course they will still love you after completing transition, but what about the orgasm? I've always enjoyed pleasing my lovers and from what I have heard, after SRS an orgasm is no longer possible. Yes, I enjoy getting off and being pleased, but I would not enjoy sex with someone who saw it as more something they did for me than something we did together...have I heard wrong about people being able to climax after SRS? Maybe someone can address that one...
As for human history, obviously there is a deep psychological need among the human species to identify a "third sex," which I am sure no adequately funded research will be done on any time soon...I am glad this discussion has taken a direction of warmth and compassion and intellectual exchange. It gets me thinking.
Why am I interested in Tgirls? ...Why not? I've seen pictures of women who are more beautiful than most GG's and I really wouldn't care about the anatomy between their legs if I could kiss those lips and have those eyes look at me with love in them. I guess everybody has a different reason, I would hate to think it's because it's something "exotic" or a way to disguise suppressed homosexuality. Judging by some of the things said by others here I would wager there is a lot better understanding than I might have thought a few years ago. I think with such understanding in the world, love always has a chance.:)
So, you do suck dick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaska Guy
You did hear wrong. Transitioned women can vaginally orgasm. There are reports of varying degrees of difficulty, and it does take time after SRS for healing to proceed to the point where sensitivity returns, but most do orgasm. Why wouldn't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Azmun
I don't know, it's what I had heard. Like I said, this discussion has been very informative for me. Thanks again. :)
None of YOUR businessQuote:
Originally Posted by MacShreach
i think shes gonna really enjoy that 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by LilWyte
If you are keen to know more I suggest you read the posts by PeggyGee and Danielle Foxxx-- go to their profile pages and click "find all posts by."Quote:
Originally Posted by The Azmun
Also Google "tsroadmap" and "Lynn Conway."
That lot should keep you busy a while.
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Originally Posted by Alaska Guy
:lol: :lol: :lol: Yes, that's what I thought.
yea i think both me and her will very muchQuote:
Originally Posted by RubyTS