Donald Trump Presidency-Day One

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Originally Posted by filghy2

Meanwhile, here's the view from the lunatic fringe

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And yet, while
Right-Wing media hedgehog Alex Jones is at it again. After the latest slew of revelations in the Russia investigation that seems to be closing in on the Trump administration, Jones said in a recent edition of his show that is all conspiracy created to make special investigator Robert Mueller, wait for it, King of America.
-the question is if Ivanka Kushner is the Princess Royal, as she is known around the White House, who is the King? Not Robert Mueller.

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Originally Posted by Stavros

Question is, where is Michael Flynn in all this?

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This article suggests that it's pretty clear that Flynn failed to register as a foreign lobbyist and that he lied to the FBI, two of the things the others were charged with. The possible reasons he hasn't been charged yet are that they are still investigating other possible charges or that they are making a plea bargain. https://www.salon.com/2017/11/01/mue...oulos-why-now/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...e-says-n817001

Once again, it does not lead to a substantive charge related to the conspiracy that interests everyone but points to the most flagrant instance of perjury yet. Look at Lindsey Graham's question and then at Session's denial, which again is kind of non-responsive to the question, but still willful suppression of incriminating information about others.

He's asked whether anyone in the campaign talked about meeting Russians and his answer was effectively no when the reality is yes and he knew it was yes. It should not matter that he shifted the premise of the question. He does not get to answer made up questions only the ones put to him. Definite perjury.

It looks like the next shoe may be about to drop. https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/5/...ia-charges-nbc

Meanwhile, the latest Paradise Papers leaks reveal that Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross has business links to Putin cronies. It's amazing who many links the Trump Administration has to a country that their own party has generally viewed as USA's strategic rival.

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Originally Posted by filghy2

It looks like the next shoe may be about to drop. https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/5/...ia-charges-nbc

Meanwhile, the latest Paradise Papers leaks reveal that Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross has business links to Putin cronies. It's amazing who many links the Trump Administration has to a country that their own party has generally viewed as USA's strategic rival.

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Often in ways that were deeply counterproductive and paranoid. Now they find themselves justifying corruption, espionage, interference with our democratic processes. Just to watch the laudatory things that asshole Sean Hannity says about Julian Assange is an amazing reversal. It really is the twilight zone here.

It all goes back to the 1990s when Russia was like the US in the late 19th century. It was called the 'Sale of the Century' and at least one book of that name explained how the absence of finance laws, and the patronage of Boris Yeltsin made some people rich overnight, quite a few of them Communist Party apparatchiks who were in secondary positions of influence they were able to use to elbow less savvy superiors aside to commandeer the country's assets. And the money went one way, and then another, and not all of the Americans who forged links were shall we say, 'quality people'. Who knows how much Russian money has flowed through London on its way to Florida and New York, and how much of it was legal, a tax dodge, or the proceeds of organized crime? Putin was there, lurking in Yeltsin's shadow, and he didn't like what he saw, even as he then or later took his cut. Foreign firms that purchased handsome assets in oil and gas today have smaller portions of the pie; as for the 'entrepreneurs' and their 'comms people', my guess is Putin has a small book which he keeps in his breast pocket.

How does that song go, 'there's a man goin' round takin' names...'

Or is it, you ain't seen nothing' yet!

It's amazing to see Trump fawning over Xi Jinping in China. After previously accusing the Chinese of 'raping' the US economy via the trade deficit, he now says that they are not to blame. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...trong-man-game The guy clearly has a serious strong leader fetish. The Chinese also clearly understand that the best way to handle Trump is to flatter him.

This is not to say that starting a trade war with China would have been a good idea, but the idea that all will be great if we just have a few autocrats making deals is equally misguided. When in history has that ended well?

Trump is correct that the trade deficit is mainly the US's responsibility, but not for the reasons he thinks. The US has a trade deficit because it does not save enough, so it has to borrow from abroad. The joke is that if tax reform does what is claimed, and attracts more foreign investment, then the trade deficit will blow out further.

Just like Bush II was not the president that used to be a businessman, he was the businessman who just happened to be president.....Trump is not the president who used to be a rich clown, he's the clown that just happens to be president.
I can only pray there is a huge bulletin board in Bob Mueller's office with all the pictures of Trump, the kids, Manafort, Flynn, Sessions, etc....placed in order with strings connecting them all just like in the movies.
The USA survived the Civil War, two World Wars, I guess we'll survive this.
But I'm not sure we'll be older and wiser, I think we'll just be older.
Goddam shame is what it is. Unbelievable.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ileaks/545738/

Wikileaks repeatedly emailed Trump Jr. during campaign and told him how and when to promote their site. They corresponded back and forth. Also asked him to provide them with any incriminating info about his father that he already knew would come up because it would make them seem impartial and make their reveals against Hillary that much more credible.

Assange also asked Trump to contest the election and once it was over to make him ambassador to Australia.

Should have said Australia's ambassador to U.S. But just read the article. This one's definitely worth it...don't know what it means in the end, but in another time this would be very incriminating.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

Should have said Australia's ambassador to U.S.

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He's delusional if he thought Trump could arrange this. The Australian ambassador to the US is always a senior ex-politician from the ruling party.

Is Assange's motivation simply to get revenge on Hillary and the Democrats for pursuing him over past leaks? I always knew he was a manipulative, self-promoting egotist, but I never got the sense that he had political convictions either way.

Some time ago Assange shifted from being a libertarian with a distrust of all government and their 'secrets', and became partisan. It may have started when he was accused of sexual assault and rape in Sweden and decided, being such an important person, that he need not answer to the authorities, and thus ended up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London where he has an internet connection, receives visitors such as Nigel Farage and Pamela Anderson and is a regular broadcaster on RT.

Perhaps because he believed the Obama Presidency was conspiring with the British and the Swedish governments to have him arrested for the (alleged) crimes in Sweden and then be shipped off to the USA, he has ended up fraternising with a peculiar bunch of people such as Farage and John Pilger, united with Russia in their determination to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming President, but also deciding this is the moment for a libertarian 'revolution' in the USA whose aim is to re-orient politics away from Central Government to the States, and in doing so diminish the powers of the Federal Government, from taxation to welfare to social legislation.

For this reason Assange supported the alt-right campaign in the US, but this is also part of Russia's attempt to discredit the democratic process, to weaken politics internally in Europe and North America through a sustained campaign of trolling that is intended to raise doubts about the quality of politicians (as if we needed prompting from the Russians!) but also sow division. One latest example being the widely circulated photo of a Muslim woman walking by one of the injured in the Westminster Bridge attack with a tagline suggesting she didn't care -circulated by a Russian troll through Facebook, Twitter and so on until it became 'news' in the press only too willing to find an excuse to attack Muslims. Brexit can thus be seen as a major step forward for Russia as it seeks to break down the EU for its purposes, while the libertarians seek to break it for their own, the two finding common cause.

I probably won't live long enough to read the very thick book on what really happened during the Bush presidency, it would be fascinating to find out everything about those hanging chads, 9-11, Iraq, the economic crash. Dick Cheney will have to be dead before they can print it.
But the story of the Trump presidency will have to be written in comic book form.
You've got Trump, his family, Kelly-Anne, Steve, Jeff, Paul, Vlad .....while the rest of Congress is just milling around in dis-belief.....
Most of his Appointments were hired to do nothing.
I wonder if Bob Mueller senses that the future of the nation is in his hands and he's wondering how far to go, or is he playing it like a straight criminal case?
Can Pence really say he had no clue?

I don't know much about the appointment of Judges in the USA, as we have a different system here. What I find interesting about the report linked below that concerns a nominee called Brett Talley, is not just the fact he has never tried a case and has only been a lawyer for three years, but that

When he was nominated, the American Bar Association rated him as “unqualified” - the fourth such Trump administration judicial nominee to receive such a rating.
Now, it was been reported Mr Talley, 36, failed to disclose he is married to Ann Donaldson, the chief of staff to the White House counsel, Donald McGahn.

The New York Times said Mr Talley was asked on his publicly released Senate questionnaire to identify family members and others who are “likely to present potential conflicts of interest”. Despite this, he did not mention his wife.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8053201.html

The point is not just that a practising lawyer doesn't know how to fill out a form, but that there seems to be a new tranche of US government officials and now it seems Judges, who simply ignore or treat with contempt the very system they are being elected or appointed to serve, to the point where 'neglecting' to tell the whole of the truth is little different from lying. Much as Roy Moore in Alabama claims to be putting 'God' back into US politics and in doing so disregarding the Constitution, I wonder where this is going, not just in terms of legal decisions, but the way in which it could undermine public confidence in the judiciary, if that is what happens. One almost thinks it is part of 'the plan' to break up US politics and deliver it back to 'the people' even if it means they support abortion in California but oppose it in Alabama.

It is very scary to me that the only thing stopping the unthinkable depends on Mueller outlasting Trump.
I hope THE TRUTH sends a lot of people straight to Hell, ....here, and in Russia.

It is chilling to see the moves that Trump has made since becoming POTUS.
Scrapping the Depts of Health, Education, Environment, Housing with brainless yes-men put in charge.
Heading the State Dept with Putin's best buddy!!
Both the House and Senate voted overwhelmingly to add further sanctions against Russia but Trump hasn't signed it yet. He wants "the healing" to start.
What is up with the Republicans, I thought they hated the Evil Empire!
Madness!!!

One last thought...
Usually, weird occurrences on a global stage have some kind of rhyme or reason behind them, a method to the madness, or unseen circumstances that give some kind of explanation to what happened.
In the case of Trump, the weirdness is genuine, he never intended to win, he never prepared for victory. The clowns who first endorsed him were suppose to fade away after the election as losers, and leave Trump with enough street cred to get another TV show or something.
I'm hoping, no, praying, that the slipshod decisions made throughout the election by Kellyanne and Bannon ETC ETC ETC left tons of footprints that Mueller can retrace and start turning one liar against the other. Has there ever been a bigger liar than Trump in the White House. ????? My fellow countrymen passed up the most qualified candidate ever for the least qualified ever.
Maybe Putin put something in the water. Does anybody else feel weird lately??
ha ha

I actually want to give President Trump some credit for securing the release of three UCLA college basketball players who were accused of shoplifting while in China. Regardless of why he did it, I think those guys should be grateful considering they were looking at the possibility of 10 years in prison.

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Originally Posted by blackchubby38

I actually want to give President Trump some credit ...they were looking at the possibility of 10 years in prison.

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yeah, that was nice.

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Originally Posted by blackchubby38

I actually want to give President Trump some credit for securing the release of three UCLA college basketball players who were accused of shoplifting while in China. Regardless of why he did it, I think those guys should be grateful considering they were looking at the possibility of 10 years in prison.

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Good news for those concerned, but I doubt this was due to Trump's negotiating skills. Given Trump refrained from criticising them during his visit, it would be standard procedure for the Chinese to grant him a few minor (for them) concessions.

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Something is really eating me, and I can't quite rationalize it. Sarah Huckabee Sanders looks like a breed of dog, but I can't quite figure out which one.

Oh yeah, and even weirder than the fact that 36% of the country that will stick by Trump NO MATTER WHAT, is the fact that without their adoration, he couldn't care less for them. The truth is stranger than fiction.

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Same old story, the Billionaire Boy's Club bought another Presidency and now are reaping the dividends.
Donald "Auric Goldfinger" Trump is going to destroy the American economy, while his donor buds and Putin come out of it richer and stronger.
Big Losers: Ignorant Pro-Lifers who would rather "look away, look away" and elect a pedophile and a Born Liar to office than admit that they're ignorant.

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Pussy Galore and Odd Job

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Originally Posted by blackchubby38

I actually want to give President Trump some credit for securing the release of three UCLA college basketball players who were accused of shoplifting while in China. Regardless of why he did it, I think those guys should be grateful considering they were looking at the possibility of 10 years in prison.

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Looks like your credit has been rejected by the bank of resentment and revenge:

President Donald Trump has suggested that he should have left three American basketball players imprisoned in China because he did not like the comments made by one of their parents.

"Now that the three basketball players are out of China and saved from years in jail, LaVar Ball, the father of LiAngelo, is unaccepting of what I did for his son and that shoplifting is no big deal," Mr Trump tweeted. "I should have left them in jail!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8064146.html

I tweeted this in response to all of the drama.

“Pretty sure LaVar appreciates whatever trump “did” to get the guys back over here...but to expect LaVar to kiss his ass? Nah, son. One good deed (that is expected from a world leader) doesn’t erase the other shitty things done by him in the past.”

Seriously though, I’ve NEVER seen a president act this way.

https://twitter.com/bilarichfield/st...86584267169792

I would have said Mueller must have enough evidence to hang Trump five times, but I also guaranteed a Hillary Victory.

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Originally Posted by Ben in LA

I tweeted this in response to all of the drama.
“Pretty sure LaVar appreciates whatever trump “did” to get the guys back over here...but to expect LaVar to kiss his ass? Nah, son. One good deed (that is expected from a world leader) doesn’t erase the other shitty things done by him in the past.”

Seriously though, I’ve NEVER seen a president act this way.

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The reason is that even Presidents famous for their foul language, for example LBJ and Nixon, maintained the decorum of high office, practicing the etiquette that separates private thoughts from public expression. Your President among other things, will be recalled as the most vulgar and uneducated man to have sat in the Oval Office. His inability to control his thoughts is juvenile, his tone of voice coarse, and his intentions vindictive. And while he does appear to have a special resentment for Black Americans, he has also insulted and abused members of Congress who dared to challenge or contradict him.

The danger is not just that it undermines the authority of the Presidency, but that while the focus of attention is on the latest outburst from a man who craves constant attention, things are happening in US government that are also of long term importance.

The gradual refusal to accept Democrat party nominees as circuit court justices over the last 8 years has created a backlog of vacancies that are now being filled by people who may not have the experience one would expect, but are appointed because chosen by Republicans. This may not just impact social legislation down the road but also lead to poor judgements in court and thus in turn undermine faith in the justice system.

Meanwhile at the State Department, Rex Tillerson is shredding jobs and not replacing vacancies to such an extent that by the end of this 'cost-cutting' exercise the US may have the least capable corps of diplomats and foreign policy experts of any member of the UN Security Council and many smaller states. The US is yet to fill the vacancy of Ambassador to South Korea, but as the critique in the (admittedly hostile) New York Time points out, this situation is creating an imbalance in government where there is now a lack of diplomatic expertise while the size and influence of the military grows.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/o...ion-editorials

As for the President, he has now racked up 73 visits to the Golf Course, at a cost -to Americans who pay tax- of at least $79,578,479. A proportion of which has gone straight into the bank accounts his business.
http://trumpgolfcount.com/

Still, it's good for business, eh!

https://www.trumpstore.com/

"Secrecy World"
New book coming out has been getting a lot of reviews in the media ,regarding findings since the release of "The Panama Papers" includes a good review of Trump's many shady dealings.
https://www.amazon.com/Secrecy-World-Investigation-Illicit-Networks/dp/1250126681/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1511209996&sr=1-1&keywords=secrecy+world+panama+papers

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Originally Posted by Ben in LA

I tweeted this in response to all of the drama.

“Pretty sure LaVar appreciates whatever trump “did” to get the guys back over here...but to expect LaVar to kiss his ass? Nah, son. One good deed (that is expected from a world leader) doesn’t erase the other shitty things done by him in the past.”

Seriously though, I’ve NEVER seen a president act this way.

https://twitter.com/bilarichfield/st...86584267169792

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Nobody saying he has to kiss his ass. How about just a simple "I want to thank President Trump and the United States in helping my son get back home". Now if excuse me, I'm to go back to eating doughnuts, playing dominos, and making a complete ass out of myself while my other son struggles in the NBA".

Listen, Donald Trump gives not one shit for anything that doesn't cut business tax, capital gains tax, inheritance tax, capital gains tax or business regulations, in fact he'd like to destroy everything except for the Military. All the rest is misdirection and window dressing.
United States Citizens??? He gives not one shit.
The only righteous thing Trump can do for this country is bunk with the child molesters in Federal Prison.

Another day, another low...

In a series of pre-dawn tweets from his Florida vacation home, Trump said: “It wasn’t the White House, it wasn’t the State Department, it wasn’t father LaVar’s so-called people on the ground in China that got his son out of a long term prison sentence - IT WAS ME.”
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ords-escalates


O come, all ye faithful
Joyful and triumphant
O come ye, o come ye to Washington
Come and behold Him
Born the King of Angels!

O come, let us adore Him
O come, let us adore Him
O come, let us adore Him (repeat as often as you can or face the wrath of El Presidente!)

Until we hear Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh crying out for Trump's impeachment, it's up to Bob Mueller to keep his job long enough to yank the presidential rug out from under Trump's feet. He is the President...the Commander-in-Chief. The People have spoken.
I'm sure 95% of the Republicans in Congress agree with 100% of the Democrats- Trump is Dangerous.
Even his own father sent him to military school. The kooky posts by the extreme right wingnuts on this forum are the people Trump is listening to. His ears are deaf to reason. He was absolutely corrupt BEFORE he had absolute power! It's unfathomable. God help us all!

this is bad


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I almost posted a phony movie poster with Trump's son Barron depicted as Damien, the devil kid from "The Omen"
then I found out maybe he has autism.
It's real hard not to get sucked into Trump's black hole, because if you do nothing, he wins.
I personally air a "world class asshole" persona to rush in where wise men fear to tread, an advantage in Hung Angels barroom brawls,
but not much good anywhere else.
We're fucked.

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

I almost posted a phony movie poster with Trump's son Barron depicted as Damien, the devil kid from "The Omen"
then I found out maybe he has autism.
It's real hard not to get sucked into Trump's black hole, because if you do nothing, he wins.
I personally air a "world class asshole" persona to rush in where wise men fear to tread, an advantage in Hung Angels barroom brawls,
but not much good anywhere else.
We're fucked.

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Even if he didn't have autism, that still would have been in bad taste. You shouldn't take out your frustrations with his father on him. That goes for any politician's children.

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Originally Posted by blackchubby38

Even if he didn't have autism, that still would have been in bad taste. You shouldn't take out your frustrations with his father on him. That goes for any politician's children.

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That politician shouldn't endorse a child molester, that is beyond bad taste.

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

That politician shouldn't endorse a child molester, that is beyond bad taste.

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The politician should care for people by thinking hard.....not considering them hypocrites

The US President has re-tweeted racist material produced by the Neo-Nazi group Britain First, a clear sign that he is as committed to destroying democracy in the UK as his friends Vladimir Putin and Recep Erdogan are in Russia and Turkey. This is possibly the most disgraceful smear on the UK that a US President has ever committed to the public realm, I don't even think the traitor George Washington would have insulted his King in the same way. One would normally hope for a robust response from the UK government, in this instance a simple, take it down or we will send your Ambassador home with 100 staff from the Embassy, but Theresa May is a lame duck waiting to be put out of her misery, probably by her own party.

As for the videos of Hate that the President admires, the deputy leader of Britain First (Jayda Fransen) expressed her approval:

Fransen responded delightedly to her posts being republished by the Trump account. She wrote: “THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP, HAS RETWEETED THREE OF DEPUTY LEADER JAYDA FRANSEN’S TWITTER VIDEOS! DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF HAS RETWEETED THESE VIDEOS AND HAS AROUND 44 MILLION FOLLOWERS! GOD BLESS YOU TRUMP! GOD BLESS AMERICA!”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...r-right-leader

I think it's possible that Trump could totally destroy the office of the President and still "WIN" in his own mind.
I don't know what his agenda is, but it's definitely not the oath of office he took last January.
I assured everyone here that the ghost of George Washington would have blown Trump's brains out on the steps of the Senate, I think it's unlikely the Republicans will knife him in the back on the Senate floor, my one and only hope is that THE TRUTH destroys Donald Trump. A crystal clear truth everyone can see and understand. A truth that will stand out for the ages. Otherwise it's just politics.

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

my one and only hope is that THE TRUTH destroys Donald Trump. .

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But the official position of the government, as expressed by Sarah Sanders is absolutely clear: the truth is not relevant. When it was explained to her that the videos do not show what they claim, she just shrugged it off to say it didn't matter if the videos are true or fake, the Tweets were about security issues, even though they did not refer to this. Earlier this evening, Ann Coulter was on Channel 4 News in the UK and challenged as the possible source of the tweets re-tweeted by the President. When told the Dutch who uploaded the video of the assault on a man in crutches confirmed neither of the men was either a Muslim or an immigrant, Coulter simply repudiated the truth to seek 'independent verification' or words to that effect, then went on a rant about multiple cases of attacks nobody has heard of except her.

Of some interest, Channel 4 also interviewed Jada Fransen, before or after her appearance in Court today, and she refused to confirm or deny that she or Britain First had direct contact with the White House. Given that these tweets appeared on the day when Fransen was in court one speculates as to how much the President knows about Britain First and its agenda of hate and violence. And whether or not he supports them, rather than any of the legitimate political parties in the UK -Britain First is not allowed to field candidates in elections here.

Whatever the two parties know, we know the President is not welcome to visit the UK. The assumption anyway is that the invitation will stand but not be acted upon. Not for some time. The longer the better.