Political Correctness Has Missed Transgender?

Good. I have delayed naturalisation out of respect for those still at home who continue to struggle against the British State, its lies and interference. But at the end of the day, being European and part of a real Union is much more important than being part of an obsolete hangover from an Imperial past. I'll be happy either to have a Scottish passport or a French one.

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Originally Posted by MacShreach

I will grant you the courtesy of assuming that you are less familiar with English than your own language.

To recap, I have always, and throughout this thread, supported fair treatment of transsexuals, and I was criticising the prejudice against them, not supporting it.

This is not the first time I have had cause to wonder about your reading skills. I am not going to address your comment in detail, since it definitely does not warrant the effort.

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In other words, what you have to say is all that matters, there is no debate; your prejudice is not against the transgendered but against me as someone who has exposed your intellectual weakness on issues in other posts. To get to the point, most people do not want to act or perform in public, and unless there is something different about transgendered people they probably conform to the norm which means most transgendered people do not want to act, which therefore makes the pool of transgendered actors seeking work relatively small; there are few if any disabled actors performing in soap operas and I doubt there will be many in spite of the success of the London Paralympic Games. The two key points, in which we are in agreement, is that there is prejudice against transexuals in employment, and that an umarried and alluring transexual character in a soap opera would be a challenge too risky for most networks to take on. Perhaps we can leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Stavros

In other words, what you have to say is all that matters, there is no debate; your prejudice is not against the transgendered but against me as someone who has exposed your intellectual weakness on issues in other posts. To get to the point, most people do not want to act or perform in public, and unless there is something different about transgendered people they probably conform to the norm which means most transgendered people do not want to act, which therefore makes the pool of transgendered actors seeking work relatively small; there are few if any disabled actors performing in soap operas and I doubt there will be many in spite of the success of the London Paralympic Games. The two key points, in which we are in agreement, is that there is prejudice against transexuals in employment, and that an umarried and alluring transexual character in a soap opera would be a challenge too risky for most networks to take on. Perhaps we can leave it at that.

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Please do not flatter yourself that you have shown any 'intellectual weakness' in my arguments.

I must confess that I do not overly like you, however. Tough. Put me in your block list.

I find the assumption, that the talent pool of trans actors is small due them not wishing to act, laughable. Given the reluctance of society and the media to allow them to perform in roles peacefully, it's hardly by their own choice there aren't more. I do not believe anyone here is asking for them to create trans roles for them, merely allow them to be the women or men, they should be. It's unlikely we'll ever see a trans friendly Bond bedding a TS Bond girl, but we can hope there will be gradual,acceptance in time

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Originally Posted by Stavros

In other words, what you have to say is all that matters, there is no debate; your prejudice is not against the transgendered but against me as someone who has exposed your intellectual weakness on issues in other posts. To get to the point, most people do not want to act or perform in public, and unless there is something different about transgendered people they probably conform to the norm which means most transgendered people do not want to act, which therefore makes the pool of transgendered actors seeking work relatively small; there are few if any disabled actors performing in soap operas and I doubt there will be many in spite of the success of the London Paralympic Games. The two key points, in which we are in agreement, is that there is prejudice against transexuals in employment, and that an umarried and alluring transexual character in a soap opera would be a challenge too risky for most networks to take on. Perhaps we can leave it at that.

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But they've already done it lol.
Look up the show "dirty, sexy money".i believe it was on the abc or nbc network

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

Ahh so transsexuals shouldn't be just as attractive a gg woman to protect the precious fragile straight male loll

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would you rather have trassexuals accurately portrayed or simply portrayed by beautiful ggs? do you put looks above personality?

i actually agree with stravos: if they choose someone really beautiful, would people even notice or care about the character anymore? and if that was the case, why even bring up their being trans as part of the story?

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

would you rather have trassexuals accurately portrayed or simply portrayed by beautiful ggs? do you put looks above personality?

i actually agree with stravos: if they choose someone really beautiful, would people even notice or care about the character anymore? and if that was the case, why even bring up their being trans as part of the story?

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I think the full spectrum of ts woman should be represented. Yea some are "masculine", but also some are average looks and some are drop dead gorgeous.
So far the majority of ts portrayal is masculine. Candis Cayne actually spoke about how abc wanted her to deepen her voice to drive home her ts status but she refused.

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

So far the majority of ts portrayal is masculine. Candis Cayne actually spoke about how abc wanted her to deepen her voice to drive home her ts status but she refused.

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well, i don't know the role she was playing, but if the story specifies the character is TS, how is the audience know besides actually voicing it?

television and film are about showing and not telling. if the role was for a woman and didn't specify she was ts or gg, then i can understand her stance.

btw: just realized i really hate typing gg. which other options do i have?

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

well, i don't know the role she was playing, but if the story specifies the character is TS, how is the audience know besides actually voicing it?

television and film are about showing and not telling. if the role was for a woman and didn't specify she was ts or gg, then i can understand her stance.

btw: just realized i really hate typing gg. which other options do i have?

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so characters should be a collection of stereotypes and overt caricatures lol.that not good acting,script writing or directing.
you wouldnt have a character of african decent in a full kente cloth ensemble, with a spear, riding an elephant just to get across the person is from africa would lol

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

so characters should be a collection of stereotypes and overt caricatures lol.that not good acting,script writing or directing.
you wouldnt have a character of african decent in a full kente cloth ensemble, with a spear, riding an elephant just to get across the person is from africa would lol

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that's actually how films get financing and distribution. the character doesn't have to dress in full kente clothing with a spear riding an elephant, but distributors want to know his african without him saying so. so they'll get an actor like don cheedle and ask him to do an african accent exactly like he did in hotel rwanda. now- does everyone in africa talk like that? in fact, the character that cheedle plays, paul rusesabagina speaks a more british english. but cheedle (and the director) have to make this accessible to everyone and such details are usually overlooked for something more contemporary.

in the same way, not every transsexual "sounds" like a gg so mainstream cinema and television will always go for what "everyone" thinks they sound like. that's what distributors and producers want.

if you want something more realistic, perhaps you should start supporting independent film which will take chances and even feature stories that people actually care about. everything else your talking about is done for profit first and entertainment- never education or information.

but you know what? perhaps lana wachowski in the near future with do trannies a solid and feature an all sci-fi transsexual cast in a blockbuster feature.