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I own dozens of guns. Guns are not the problem. It is the crazy fucks who use them to hurt people. If he did not have the guns , then he would have used the homemade bombs that he made in his apartment. I personally never leave home without a gun.
NO ONE will ever get my guns!!!!!!!!!
If one sane person owned all the guns in the world, perhaps there'd be no problem. But the law of large numbers doesn't work like that. In fact, the more guns there are and the easier it is to possess them more nuts will own and use them; and more ignorant and silly people will handle to them. All of us will be at an increased risk of being shot either deliberately or by accident. Guns infringe on our legitimate right to an expectation of safety and security. Guns ARE the problem.
sorry. that horseshit gun lobby argument is very tired. Home made bombs are notoriously unreliable and inefficient when it comes to killing. But any nitwit can operate an assault weapon. It's specifically designed to kill, and kill quickly and easily. For what purpose would a private citizen own this sort of gun ?Quote:
Originally Posted by scopas66
On the other hand, in the worst cases of feral youth with a temper that can explode into violence at any moment, they have often grown up in a dysfunctional household where violence -physical violence and violent language- are the 'natural' responses to a situation, in homes where alcohol and drug abuse are normal -far from being shielded from the reality of violence, it is often the only reality they have. Crucially, they do not grow up in homes with loving relationships; they are unable to love themselves or anyone else. The absence of love is another element to add to the depression and paranoia that drives pseudo-commandos -Breivik, for example, claims to loves something but it is abstract: his concept of Norway, but he has shown no capacity to love another person, and it is debatable if his apparently extreme vanity is actually self-love, or self-loathing. Often these guys feel they have to complete a 'mission' and that love would be a distraction. Lee Harvey Oswald also had problems forming relationships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet Reflections
Well let's see...Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
An armed populous keeps the government away. Look at all the nice little places like North Korea and Iran, where the people are stripped of everything. As much as many of them would like to live in a free Democracy, they don't have the capability to fight off the government and its military full of retarded drones who "just follow orders". Meanwhile we see places like Libya and Syria, where the citizens rebelled, used there ability to access "assault weapons" and threw off their oppressive, tyrannical governments. We see this now in Syria, where these heroic civilians, armed with guns, are fighting a genocidal government and for fucks sake, are whooping its ass. We forget that our forefathers, the dudes who MADE this country in 1776, USED the right to buy, possess and use firearms to FREE ourselves from corrupt British rule. I own a semi-automatic Smith & Wesson AR-15 chambered 5.56 NATO, because the Second Amendment of this great country says I can. I own it because I have the right to defend my home from intruders, whether they are civilian criminals or government criminals. And when the day comes that the Feds ban my right to own them, I'll repeat the same words our forefathers used in 1776 in the Declaration of Independence and like a good Syrian bad-ass, liberate my country from the corrupt thieves and maniacs that run this country.
What makes this interesting little spree killing so fascinating to me, is that while the United Nations for the past three weeks has been deliberating a VERY unpopular international gun ban behind closed doors, a poor 24 year old college kid somehow acquires a military arsenal, rigs his apartment like he was a trained Navy SEAL with IED booby traps and then proceeds to throw tear gas cans in to a movie theater to shoot up civilians, carrying one of each type of weapons most gun owners have access to, a long gun "rifle", a shotgun and a pistol and then walks back out and allows the police to arrest him without a massive gun battle you'd expect from a dipshit in heavy body armor. With the nation now crying out for justice and gun control, this international UN gun ban has the support the government needs to ratify it and in the end, strip away the MOST IMPORTANT Constitutional right we have in America. The right that we used once before against out previous government. A right that is displayed in Syria. A right that the U.S. government is afraid we might use one day when more than enough "usurpations" of our rights have occurred under the previous Bush admin, the current Obama admin and the next administration. Blatant false flag operation is blatant.Quote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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Originally Posted by trish
You can indulge in all the wishful thinking you like Trish, but it's pure folly. There are certain realities of American politics, and American culture that aren't going to change for historical and other reasons. I don't want to turn this into a political back and forth, however... You wish to ban guns, or severely restrict them. I wish African Americans would be more open minded to other political philosophies that might lead to greater empowerment because from any sane person's vantage their not doing all that well voting in the 97 percentile for one political party.....but I'm pragmatic enough to realize that's not going to happen. I can talk about it...preach about it, but at the end of the day, it's wasted time. You're smart enough to realize the majority of Americans are not going allow any infringement on the 2nd amendment to the degree you'd propose.You can talk about it, you can preach about it....but at the end of the day it's wasted time. These two things are somewhat political but more cultural and they're not changing anytime soon.....like it or not. We go down this road after every tragedy like this. As humans who largely feel compassion, we try to make sense of the senseless.
So how would go about preventing shit like this from happening again? Give me an honest answer OMK? This guy wasn't a criminal he seemed to come from a pretty good upbringing and he still went crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by onmyknees
Where did I indulge in wishful thinking. Please point it out. Where did I say I want to ban guns? Please point it out. I'm merely stating the fact that decreased regulation on firearms increases everyone risk of being deliberately or accidentally shot. I hold no hope of stopping the present trend of increasing firearm freedoms. I have no hope of changing the minds of fools who think the long history of armed conflict between U.S. citizens and the U.S. army (:roll:) is what keeps tyranny at bay.Quote:
You can indulge in all the wishful thinking you like...
(By the way, shouldn't a good Christian like OMK be Church on a Sunday morning and not posting on a porn forum? What automatic weapon would Jesus choose?)
The real facts say otherwise:Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...up-crime-down/
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...ime-down-again
http://personalliberty.com/2010/09/2...own-800068807/
A registerered firearm holder stopped this robbery by 2 thugs one with an unregistered weapon. Ask the patrons which side of the fence their on? And yes, he hit what he was shooting at, while they were running away.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
71 year old Man Stops Armed Robbery - YouTube