How many sites have you worked on?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
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How many sites have you worked on?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
What dissent? What big fishes? You do have paranoia!Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
You're changing the argument or (supposed) point now. So this isn't about the fact that some companies are allegedly putting up poor images of girls on purpose for the "good of the greater cause" ... it's about marketing the models as beautiful women and not freaks. There isn't any argument there with the exception, that we're going to market them as beautiful women with penises.
Your twisting your original post. It's not hypothetical as you did allude to
companies in your original post.
The whole thing stinks of sour grapes to me.
4 sites, but I've done shoots for my own personal use as well. Maybe it's an unfair comparison because I had creative control over my own shoots, but my reasons for my opinion are just that - my reasons. That's why I'm using this thread to solicit opinions from others and start a dialog. I hardly intended to imply that mine is the final word on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Frankly, if I'm so completely wrong and nobody supports me then why is this thread stirring up so much controversy? I think there's a little bit of truth to what everyone's saying and I think we'd be remiss to not re-explore this topic on occasion especially considering the state of the current economy business and how it pertains to the industry in general.
~BB~
It's both. My initial question was whether or not it's likely that a company would attempt to derail the long-term career prospects of a girl simply because they find their politics threatening. If it's not, then prove me wrong and have me in for another shoot. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I 'alluded,' yes, as in I didn't mention names. I merely used my experience in the biz thus far as an example to spark discussion on the topic. I think people around here know me well enough to know that if my goal was simply to slam soneone in particular I'd just do it outright instead of beating around the bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
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I think everyone is enjoying reading your drivel personally, I know it's been entertaining me for the last few hours. You've stated absolutely nothing but seem to think that your some sort of crusader.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
It's the other models going off on a tangent which have made it a good post.
Just out of curiosity, do you think the photo in your avatar <======
is a good photo of you?
It's good for a snapshot yes. I mean it's not Yum quality, but then what else is?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
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You don't have any politics that I've noticed. We wouldn't use you for another shoot as there wasn't enough positive feedback, rating or requests for more of you. Simple business economics but thanks for the offer and thank you for working with us previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Obviously not.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
You keep trying to limit my so-called activism to this thread alone. I guess you weren't around for the Danielle Foxx incident where I objected to the use of the word 'shemale' to the point that Danielle doesn't even post here anymore so it's not what I think; it's also what a lot of other people seen to think from what I've seen and been told.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Why does this bother you so much? If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I can deal with that. I just think we're all entitled to our opinion and that this has been a fairly productive discussion. *shrug*
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a) "Nobody else seems to support me? Actually a few people did until the bigger fish came in an squashed my dissent. "Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Considering the first three responses were by senashai and myself, and then the rest of the first page you had both tsmandy and TempestTS came in and supported "the establishment position", and the two outsiders posts on teh page were relatively neutral, I think you are "arguing facts not in evidence".
b) "Some may say that I should get out of the biz if I have a problem with it - but I don't have a problem with it - I just think we can do better."
I don't think anyone told you to "get out of the business" anywhere in the thread. What I know I did was tell you that if you are going to work for companies, you shouldn't be surprised that they represent you in the same way that they have been representing every other girl for YEARS, or not work WITH THOSE COMPANIES.
c) " Not to mention that how long I've been involved in it is irrelevant. It's not like you have to be a model or producer to have an opinion on this since anybody can see the final product regardless of the way it was produced."
Again I disagree: industry experience is TOTALLY relevant. If what you would like to be the way the business is run is contrary to the way it is capable of being run and being viable financially, and others know it because of their experience and you don't because of your lack of it, how is that not relevant?
I think a lot of the problem here is that what you are talking about what you (and probably a lot of other talent) want the way the world to operate. And people who have enough experience to know the way the world actually has operated and is currently operating are telling you that if you want for things to operate in the way you want to, then there is a way to do it. But you can't expect OTHER PEOPLE to run their businesses the way you think they should because it's what's good for you and/or other talent. How about if I told you I'd shoot you and represent you exactly the way you want to be, but as a result you'd have to pay all your own expenses and get half your usual fee? Would you accept that? I don't think so.
What I see here is plenty of people with plenty of experience telling you that if you want thigs the way you want them, then you have to take your own actions, take your own risks, etc. JUST LIKE A NUMBER OF OTHER GIRLS HAVE DONE who wanted that. but it seems like what you want is to have other people act in your best interest and against theirs because of some "greater good" which is not only undefined, but as far as i can tell, only greater good for one side, while the other side is the one footing the bills for it. You are talking about 'sacrifice", but at the same time arguing with those who are the one's who have the experience of actually making sacrifices and lving with the consequences.
It's not that I don't understand WHY you would want what you want. but it actually seems like what you want is "more and better" without making the sacrifices which others are making, except for the possible sacrifice of not getting more work because the people who you have done work for in the past and may have in the future may see you as being unreasonable.
You're hysterical! I spent a month on the Top 10 board, peaking at #6. My first set, of which I wasn't particularly fond, had over 8500 views at last count which rivals many other more established models in the industry. But you go ahead and spin it any way you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Paranoia? Yeah, OK. That's why you're trying to run away from me as fast as you can now that you've clearly taken my criticism all upon yourself. Thanks for proving me correct. I pretty much knew you'd never call me in again. I'm not stupid, ya know?! :lol:
This is precisely why I actually feel comfortable in the 'activist' role in which I've seemed to land. Thank you for helping me find my place. :)
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