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most likely some lobbying private insurers is secretly paying him off
behind the scenes. THis is so politics !! they will do anything in their power to defuse choice and creation of competition. And you know they
have the "campaign contribution" funds to make it happen with
corrupted, flip-flopping ass Joe Lieberman. .
... ANd Libby is not the only one who is fund-campaigning for votes/or non-votes.
it cracks me up when far left liberals believe that obama got elected because of some major left wing shift.
obama didnt get elected by radical left wingers.
obama got elected because voters (on both sides) hated gwb.
obama got elected because the vast middle voting block of independents and wishy-washies bought into the change and hope message.
well, sorry to break the news but the majority of america is still largely conservative. the latest governor elections of new jersey and virginia are only the tip of the iceberg.
there will be a massive backlash against the democrats who misinterpreted their win and are overreaching.
there's a new conservative movement afoot and it's going to surprise a lot of people...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M
by the way...lieberman caved in only after the radical left threatened his wife's job.
http://thehill.com/capital-living/in...iberal-website
you mean something like the huge bribe payoffs that the dems are using in order to buy votes?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantybulge69
you know, the 300 million promised to mary landrau (sp?), 100 million to that crook Chris Dodd and all the others?
no wonder nelson and the others were holding out. they wanted to get their share of the bribe money.
Pray tell - how will this bill create choice and competition?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantybulge69
..I especially love my fellow Liberal New Yorkers...by most measures..this bill will raise New York taxes thru the roof...but New Yorkers don't care..they'll just keep paying (the liberal hypocrites will hide their money...probably made in the same financial sector that they bad mouth on a regular basis around the dinner table..SMH)
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Originally Posted by fred41
fred,
that's assuming that there will be a tax base LEFT in NYC. the upper income people (you know, the ones who actually pay the taxes) are leaving in droves.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/t...1UXIc0i6cd3UpK
http://www.empirecenter.org/pb/2009/...odus102709.cfm
This is the crux of my perspective. John Q Public is voting against and not for anymore. Lesser of two evils doesn't exist when you're talking right/left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
Again, two parties result in leverage not consensus.....is this really confounding to anyone?
Asshat, war-mongering, Republicans were voted out for the hope Democrats would accomplish something more humane. Now, the sentiment is Republicans will fiscally fix what the Dems have broken. Both parties are FUCKING CORPORATE SHILLS that aren't working for us anymore. Wake up you polarized idiots!
Round and round we go...where it stops no one will want to go. Continue believing the two-party monstrosity exacted upon the American sheep is really something beneficial to us and I'll color you fooled.
I'd support health"reform" instituted by the Brownies before I would our inept, corrupt, bloated, incompetent, useless, misguided government......of all sides!
I'm not against Universal Health care, I'm against our governments unmitigated track record of fiscal irresponsibility....
...and so should everyone else.
He is not blocking health care. Obama;'s current bill initiative SUX! SUX! SUX! and will kill the small business person if ity passes. Keep blocking away Joe...and keep the best interest of the US in mind.
Obama has not done shit for us yet...all talk and no progress. Another Bush? Me tinks so
No undermining this achievement
Eugene Robinson
Washington Post
When all is said and done – and, yes, there is a bit more saying and doing to endure, which means anything can happen – the health care reform legislation that President Barack Obama now seems likely to sign into law, while an unlovely mess, will be remembered as a landmark accomplishment.The bill making its way through the Senate by the slimmest of margins is imperfect, to say the least. But before listing its many flaws, let's consider the measure's one great virtue:
For the first time, we will enshrine the principle that all Americans deserve access to medical care regardless of their ability to pay. No longer will it be the policy and practice of our nation to ration health according to wealth.
When you blow away all the smoke, that's what this fight is about.
The Senate bill lacks a public health insurance option, the House bill is burdened by gratuitous abortion restrictions and the final product of a House-Senate conference will probably have both those failings. But once the idea of universal health care is signed into law, it will be all but impossible to erase. Over time, that idea will be made into reality.
The loose ends are so many and varied, in fact, that it will probably be necessary to revisit the health care issue sooner rather than later. Even if it takes years to get it right, eventually is better than never. History suggests that major new social initiatives have to be perfected over time – and that basic entitlements, once established, are rarely taken away.
Progressives who argue for killing the Senate bill and starting over should explain their position to the 30 million Americans without health insurance who would be covered under this insufficiently progressive legislation. They should recall that when Obama and the Democratic leadership in Congress began this crusade, public opinion was solidly in favor of reform.
With polls now showing widespread wariness, with Republicans having confused and frightened many voters who already have adequate health insurance, why would anyone think that beginning from scratch is likely to produce a more progressive result?
Is it ridiculous that the Senate bill essentially bribes Sen. Ben Nelson with special Medicaid reimbursements for Nebraska alone? Yes. Is it galling that the public option and the idea of a Medicare buy-in fell victim to Sen. Joe Lieberman's whims? Supremely so. But our eyes should be kept on the prize.
The bill has been described as a gift to the health insurance companies since it provides them with 30 million new customers and no competition from a public plan. I don't believe it's a coincidence that the stock prices of health insurers are soaring. But I also don't believe the main point of this exercise was to stick it to the insurance companies, however satisfying that might be.
While the reform package nearing completion bends the curve of rising health care costs, more bending is going to be needed. Ultimately, we're going to have to take a more fundamental look at how the health industry is structured.
So this isn't the end of a process that leads to a rational, sustainable, more efficient health care system. It's the beginning. But when a reform bill passes, as now seems likely, Obama and congressional leaders will have achieved a goal that progressives have sought for decades. They will have established that quality health care should be for all, not just for those who can afford it.
We have a system now in which Americans go bankrupt trying to pay doctors and hospitals to keep them alive. When you have the opportunity to change this, you take it – even if it means winning ugly.
well if socialized healthcare was a Nazi program maybe we should bomb France , Germany , England , Denmark, Sweden,
Canada, Taiwan, Japan and the list goes on. An as for getting a job well the right wing has downsized most jobs an sent them to Asian Tiger countries . The Corporate Fascist are in Kontrol.
You drank the Kool Aid :)
So we're (me) jumping from dissuading governmental intrusion in our lives to masking our inherent dependence with the likes of Stalin, Hitler, etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by ed camp
Please, placate me with substance and not baseless hysteria. I'd bet if we aligned our house with any of the aforementioned abominations we'd be devoid of the antiquated relics incapable of understanding what people genuinely desire.