BUCK FREAKS ME OUT !!!

I think Bucks sexy..I'd do him..something about his bald head

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Originally Posted by TJ347

Crayons, if a guy considers himself straight, but wants to be topped and suck off a transsexual woman, I'm just saying let him be. By definition, you can't be a heterosexual male and be getting topped or sucking a TG off. But if we aren't going to knock tgirls for considering themselves girls, then let's not knock guys who consider themselves straight even as they post about their dreams of getting topped by Queen Dingaling or whomever. That's all I'm saying... I agree with you.

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TJ347: I'm starting to like you, but I'm finding trouble with this standard that the individual appoints himself. When someone goes for a medical checkup, are they usually asked their sexual orientation? If they put "straight" but have had peni in their anus, is this okay with you?

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Originally Posted by crayons

TJ347: I'm starting to like you, but I'm finding trouble with this standard that the individual appoints himself. When someone goes for a medical checkup, are they usually asked their sexual orientation? If they put "straight" but have had peni in their anus, is this okay with you?

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What you've got to understand is that it doesn't matter whether you or I think people are correctly identifying themselves sexually, because no one here cares what you or I think, particularly about that issue. Why? Because the basic foundation on which this board is built is individuals who were born men, but now identify as women, and the men who like them, who largely classify themselves as straight, despite their attraction to women who were born men, and retain penises. If you take that foundation away, the whole board unravels... Suddenly, none of the girls are girls, and the guys are all thus automatically and undeniably gay. Nobody wants that... So, this is why I say just let people be on this issue, though it might irritate you that clear indications of homosexuality are flatly denied. For some people, the only thing good they have in their life is their fantasies, and I am loathe to do anything to take that away from anybody.

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Originally Posted by crayons

TJ347: thanks for your response and let me try and clarify my reasons clearly.
I've been on this board for a while and have noticed a lot of the same types of questions appear all the time (I mentioned this somewhere else with the questions being "I'm I gay because I like tgirls" or "Where can I find tgirls to date").

I find it curious that men who look at tgirls as girls selectively come here in search of "girls". Basically what I'm saying is, if tgirls and gg's are all in the same in your eyes, then why is it that you would come here (a board for girls with phallus's) in search of a girl?

why is it that you go out specifically looking for a girl with a cock if you supposedly don't see any difference between gg and tg?

Another thing that I began thinking about were the guys that expressed some concern with the girls that didn't top or want their dicks played with. I find this curious in the fact that, if to them a tgirl is a girl, then why the fascinating with the cock?

I personally don't have a problem with guys that have said they are bi or pansexual (whatever that means).

I ask this question- or as you look at it, call out those indivduals that continually refuse to accept the order and hide under the clout of meaningless words.

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Originally Posted by TJ347

Crayons, if a guy considers himself straight, but wants to be topped and suck off a transsexual woman, I'm just saying let him be. By definition, you can't be a heterosexual male and be getting topped or sucking a TG off. But if we aren't going to knock tgirls for considering themselves girls, then let's not knock guys who consider themselves straight even as they post about their dreams of getting topped by Queen Dingaling or whomever. That's all I'm saying... I agree with you.

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I am going to have to cast my vote with Crayons on this.

It is about the cock as a fetish object. Some of the men on the board are
purely seeking cock, and the fact that it is in a package that isn't as
psychologically threatening makes it an acceptable option.

Yes there are men who are attracted to women irregardless of their
genitialia, however a large percentage of men that are attratcted to
transwomen are attracted solely and specifically because of the cock.

Further a very high percentage of men that are attracted to transwomen,
lust and desire to be topped and to suck off said transwomen, as you so
eloquently put it.

Is there anything wrong or abberant about having a fetish obsession.?

Yes, and no.

It is wrong when the only part of the transwomen that you desire is her
cock, for then you have objectified her. If you were desirous of the totality
of her, that would be more acceptable.

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Originally Posted by TJ347

For some people, the only thing good they have in their life is their fantasies, and I am loathe to do anything to take that away from anybody.

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Perhaps to many of the men on this board we are but fantasy objects.
An entire industry has been built around that fantasy; porn, escorting.

But to the women that live the life, our life is no fantasy, it is a reality.

I do not live in a world of make believe, and dream scenarios.

I agree with Peggy, for what its worth.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

I am going to have to cast my vote with Crayons on this.

It is about the cock as a fetish object. Some of the men on the board are
purely seeking cock, and the fact that it is in a package that isn't as
psychologically threatening makes it an acceptable option.

Yes there are men who are attracted to women irregardless of their
genitialia, however a large percentage of men that are attratcted to
transwomen are attracted solely and specifically because of the cock.

Further a very high percentage of men that are attracted to transwomen,
lust and desire to be topped and to suck off said transwomen, as you so
eloquently put it.

Is there anything wrong or abberant about having a fetish obsession.?

Yes, and no.

It is wrong when the only part of the transwomen that you desire is her
cock, for then you have objectified her. If you were desirous of the totality
of her, that would be more acceptable.

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I said at the end there that I agreed with Crayons, and I fully understand and agree with what you're saying as well, Peggy. But what I would add is that denial runs throughout these forums, and applies to the girls and guys, so far as I'm concerned. Is it ridiculous to insist that a girl be able to top, and yet claim you aren't gay? Of course. Is it ridiculous for a tgirl to claim to only be interested in heterosexual men, yet want to maybe top these men and be pleased orally (if I may be so eloquent) by them? Of course. But that's just my opinion. What someone else accepts or denies with regard to themselves is their business, IMHO. That's all I was trying to say...

And as to the the 'Buck' issue.

Buck Angel, sounds like a really decent guy, from what I've heard
about him.

As a fellow transperson, I fully support him and his endeavours.

You open-minded folks need to also open your minds about things that
don't conveniently serve your interests. If it's getting you off, you're fine
with it, anything outside of that box (postops, transmen) and you're up
in arms, and rallying the villagers to burn someone at the stakes.

Buck, keep up the good work.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

And as to the the 'Buck' issue.

Buck Angel, sounds like a really decent guy, from what I've heard
about him.

As a fellow transperson, I fully support him and his endeavours.

You open-minded folks need to also open your minds about things that
don't conveniently serve your interests. If it's getting you off, you're fine
with it, anything outside of that box (postops, transmen) and you're up
in arms, and rallying the villagers to burn someone at the stakes.

Buck, keep up the good work.

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Peggy, all I've read is people saying either they were interested in seeing Buck in movies, or that they weren't. I don't see where anyone at all has made an attack on who Buck is as a person. In fact, from what I've seen, people who've said they weren't interested in seeing Buck's film work (or expressed the opinion that he was "disgusting") have been attacked by people who've rallied to Buck's side because he's a member of the TG community, which has nothing to do with whether or not you, I or anyone else find him sexually appealing. It's apples and oranges really, and I respectfully think that in this case, with you being an activist, you have instinctively jumped to Buck's defense when all that people were saying is that they don't personally find him attractive as a porn star, which there simply is no defense against what with us all being individuals and accordingly having individual tastes. If anyone espoused violence against Buck, that'd be another issue. But to say "Buck Angel isn't my cup of tea..." or "I can't see what anyone would find attractive about Buck Angel pornos"... There's no assault on the TG community, or who Buck is as a person in that.