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My country's weewee is bigger than your country's weewee....
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One point that has yet to be made.... at least we, Canadians, can find canada on a map.
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Originally Posted by archie8132
That doesn't really indicate anything though, the allies were only good at getting killed for most of WW1. Every year Germany managed to take one of the allies out of the war. At the time of the US entering the war, Paris was all but taken, the British were at the end of their credit lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by tao1kiku
Actually, it was a stalemate at that time of the war. And my point is, the USA enterered both wars only after they had been going for years, never there standing up for human rights and fighting the good fight until it was in their own self interest or when directly attacked.
April 6, 1917 is when the USA declared war in WWI, years after the conflict started.
December 11, 1941 is when the USA declared war in WWII, years after the conflict started.
People like me? what kind of people are those? I'm not a banker I'm a scientist. Did Black Scientists ruin America?! I had no idea and you have no idea what kind beer i drink. I'm not arrogant but if you didn't take your self so serious you would realize that the north USA comment was a joke. Like i said before but i guess you didn't read it. "If you think that pride is about nationality, you're wrong" - NOFXQuote:
Originally Posted by bassman2546
But it wasn't a stalemate at all when the US entered the war. The allies were one push away from being driven off the map, they had already been pushed to the channel by German offenses, Paris was being shelled every 15 minutes like in 1870, only unlike 1870 the city was partially evacuated because it was about to fall, and the British credit lines were so over extended that they would have only have been able to pay for another two weeks of the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by tao1kiku
Those credit lines were how the British had managed to last more than a year in the war, all that stuff they were buying from neutrals- guns, ammunition, raw materials (the stuff the Uboats were targeting) had to be paid for somehow. No more credit lines = no more British fighting in the war, it was that simple.
The US entered the war for a variety of reasons.
Submarine Warfare and the Lusitania
* There were unauthorized German submarines along the US East coast. Germany's resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare in the spring of 1917 provided the final straw for US politicians, and America declared war.
* The first and foremost answer would be the sinking of the Lusitania, an British cruise/transport ship, bound for Britain from New York. The German U-boat ring sought to sink all supply ships headed for Britain in order to starve the island. It sank the Lusitania as part of its efforts. 1195 people died, including 128 Americans.
* The Lusitania's sinking was the biggest influence on the American decision to enter the war. German submarine warfare (the Lusitania is included in this) sunk many ships over several years.
* Had it not been for the Lusitania, the US would have stayed out of the War.
Economics
Some say the "bankers" were involved.
* The U.S. had huge economic investments with the British and French. If they were to lose, then they would not be able to pay the U.S. debt back (amounting to about two billion dollars while Germany only borrowed a mere 27 million).
* If Allies could not pay back all the loans made to them by the American bankers, the US's economy could collapse.
* France and England were financing their war with US loans. In addition, they were buying massive amounts of arms from the US on credit. The US wanted to make sure that it got paid back. Germany also purchased arms, but in a much more limited fashion.
Politics
* Propaganda from both sides influenced the American decision.
* Woodrow Wilson did not want to go to war but when Teddy Roosevelt decided to run for another term, Wilson felt threatened and announced that there would be a preparedness program and possibly that the country would go to war.
* By entering the war, the US got to flex its muscles on the world stage and establish itself as a world power.
* After both sides of the Mexican civil war demanded that our troops leave and public opinion badly swayed against US intervention in Mexico, Wilson had no choice but to withdraw. By having the threat of Germany helping Mexico fight back against him, Wilson knew he had to take action. He couldn't go back into Mexico because the American people would not allow it. He really had no beef with Germany, he just wanted to save face before Mexico could fight back.
Ideology
* President Wilson wanted to make the world safe for democracy ("Wilson's War Address to Congress").
* It was partly for idealistic reasons (propaganda was not seen as an evil until after the Great War). The occupation of Belgium and the sinking of the Lusitania changed a lot people's minds in the US about Germany.
* There was more to it than just the submarine warfare and the sinking of the Lusitania although those were the formal and legalistic reasons for declaring war. I think that over time a moral sense had developed that Britain and France were fighting the good fight for freedom against a genuine evil. If that sense had not existed I think the US would have let the Lusitania pass. As it was, it was nearly two years after she was sunk that we finally did declare war.
Zimmerman Telegram
Other points influenced entrance to the war, but the Zimmerman Telegram (sometimes called the "Zimmerman note" or "Zimmerman telegraph") finally pushed the US to war. The Zimmerman Telegram was sent from the German foreign secretary to the German Ambassador to Mexico. It stated the following:
* On the first of February, 1917, submarine warfare will be reinstated unrestrictively.
* The US has to stay neutral.
* Germany proposes an alliance with Mexico on the following basis: If the US goes to war, Mexico must fight on the home front in an financially supported alliance with Germany; If Mexico agrees to fight, they will reconquer New Mexico, Texas and Arizona.
The telegraph was intercepted by British Intelligence and transmitted to the American government by the Brits.
This infuriated Americans. It was the same sort of alliance that plunged Europe into war.
Hey Canucks ,
Get your facts straight . America did NOT loose Vietnam. It was a TIE. !
MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA AND NO OTHER PLACE.
"MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA AND NO OTHER PLACE."
It is that attitude that gives reasons for many in the world to dislike the US.
Try travelling the world (and not stay at the local Hilton and eat McDonalds while there), see other cultures, live the culture, eat the food, listen to the music, talk to the people. Appreciate what other countries have to offer, listen and learn before speaking. Open your eyes to the rest of humanity before condemning all.