2 Convicted of Murdering Transgender Teen

Thanks, Ecstatic. I grew up in the "hood' and witnessed many acts by thugs that defied common sense and reason, and I never excused their actions either, even though I knew all about the element we were all being brought up in.

What kind of animals commit such despicable acts, but worse, what kind of people simply shrug their shoulders and dismiss it as Oh, she should have known better ... thereby placing the burden of blame on the victim ?! By that reasoning, almost anything can be excused by how one internalizes it and spins it.


...I should have shot and killed that guy who deceived me in poker and took home all my $20.00. Did he not know who he was messing with ?! Do I get a pass here ?

why isn't this murder case considered a capital murder charge
instead of 2nd degree ?

it sounds as premeditated of a hate-crime as they come.

Sounds to me that that was a typical jealousy crime. Gwen decided she`d suck some other guys, and those 2 guys that murdered her they felt rejected and decided to kill her.

That story about them being "tricked", well, I don`t believe it. Sounds like the usual b.s. murder suspects make up when they`re being caught red-handed. "Your honor, its been proven beyond reasonable doubt that I`m the murderer here, but... " Well, fuck your "but`s..." I don`t wanna hear them. You`ve been found guilty of murder, so now you will go to jail for the rest of your life. End of the line. There is no "valid" reason to murder someone else.

Realgrls4me, I am wondering if you are just trying to provoke a response here at this point.

Question A (which you won't answer): Did she, through her actions, provoke a potentially dangerous reaction:

Answer: yes.

Question B (which you won't answer): Has anyone in this entire thread say, "she got what she deserved" or "she provoked the act of murder"?

Answer: no. - they have said she put herself in a dangerous situation

Question C (which you won't answer): Was this the first transgendered person beaten or murdered for being transgendered?

Answer: no

I'm a bit of an expert on the english language and I am wondering why you keep getting so mad at people for just stating some facts based upon the reality of the world we live in. I had some hispanic acquaintences (not friends mind you) in high school who used to take lead pipes and go out and beat transients for no reason, other than the fact that they were homeless people, and then brag about it. Kids (and adults) kill other kids (or adults) for dumb reasons. Young people do fucked up things without thinking them through. God knows why.

Transgendered people are often subjects of hate crimes. This is a high profile case, but many occur that don't get this kind of publicity. Every single TG knows this stuff happens or can happen. Just like a soldier knows that if he goes out into parts of Iraq without a weapon and alone, he very well might be killed. Would he deserve to be killed? No. Would people say he put himself in harms way. Yes.

Just admit that her actions provoked a potentially threatening response and move on. It doesn't excuse the murder. It doesn't justify the murder. It was a truly brutal, sick, and heinous crime. I will say this much, if it had been a one on one type of action and the guy found out in the heat of passion and murdered her, we would likely be talking about a case where the guy may have gotten off. Men have gotten off for murdering their cheating wives or their lovers for temporary insanity. We have a judicial system, not a justice system.

I've got to say, I keep wondering why you keep bringing this back around to the point that people on this forum, think her actions justified her murder, I don't see anyone having made that statement, in fact, quite the opposite. The statement that seems to have been made (and the one which I've written about and agree with) is that she did have responsibility in the actions she took as we all do. The fact that they led to her death, is tragic but had she not deceived those individuals and put herself into that position, she would have probably still been alive.
This is not a way to justify or excuse what happened to her whatsoever, she was murdered and those who done the deed have been caught and punished in accordance with the laws.
The only naiviety I see is that you seem to think that a 17 year old adult is not aware of her actions and consquential reactios. I'm along way from 17 but I know I was aware enough at the time to judge situations.

The points you agree with support what people are stating on this forum - so why do you misread it, that people are excusing their actions?
seanchai

This is the second or third thread that Seanchi has agreed with me on. The first two were about shemaleyum being a good site.

The 4th one might be about you spelling my name correctly?
seanchai

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Originally Posted by seanchai

The 4th one might be about you spelling my name correctly?
seanchai

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yeah he's seanchai...isn't seanchi related to that tae-bo fella?

Well actually I don't think it was about decieving anyone she had sex with two of the guys a few times before.I believe what happened was they got caught and couldn't explain why they kept going back.So ti cover up what was happening they killed her.Anyone who say's its justified is an idiot especially because the girl in question was very young and just wanted to be with guys.Anyways I hope they get beaten and raped in prison and eye for an eye.

Vicki.
Vicki.
Vicki.

Afford me more credit than that, will you ? I certainly feel I’m capable if not resourceful enough to post something, anything, to elicit a reaction from my brethren in here if that’s what I truly want. I simply get tired of reading another person come in and imply or directly assert that I, and possibly others who feel as I do, are either “naïve”, “ignorant”, or residing in some utopian paradise void of rage, anger and/or violence because I(we) put far – FAR -- more blame were it’s rightly deserved – with the defendents, than that of a 17 year old -- A 17 YEAR OLD.

It’s this indifferent, almost callous, shrug of the shoulder attitude toward the victim that I sense from some in here by their finger-pointing and fault finding of the girl that eats at me.

(Sean will probably roll his eyes with the coming analogy, but I use it simply to illustrate my point.)

It’s Mississippi at the turn of the 20th century and a 17 year old black youth missing for a few days was found lynched in the woods. Let’s put your questions to task now supplanting her gender in the place of his color:

Question A (which you won't answer): Did she, through her actions, provoke a potentially dangerous reaction:

Answer: yes. He shouldn’t have been born black and been wiser than his 17 years of age would dictate, right ?

Question B (which you won't answer): Has anyone in this entire thread say, "she got what she deserved" or "she provoked the act of murder"?

Answer: no. - they have said she put herself in a dangerous situation Yeah, most 17 year olds I know have this death wish, particularly following a sexual tryst [ This again places the onus of blame on the victim rather than the defendents and culture of paranoia that allows it.]

Question C (which you won't answer): Was this the first transgendered person beaten or murdered for being transgendered?

Answer: no And ??? I'm missing your "point" here ... Are you suggesting it should ?


It’s the culture, society, and climate of indifference in that region at that time that made such horrific episodes commonplace and possible. In other words, something (cognitive dissonance?) found that blaming the victim was far easier than questioning our collective souls and conscienous. Working to rid the ideology underpinning these horrific and deadly acts was beyond the imagination, comprehension, and grasp, of most, so “dealing” with it meant copping out to blaming the victim, as many are doing to Gwen it seems to me. That’s the way things were in the south for so long except for the courage of some to challenge the status quo, and because of them we are all better for it today. We can go the easy route and blame, or find some fault with Gwen, or we can place blame where it squarely belongs: with the animals and indifferent, almost permissive, culture that begets such violence.

Maybe I'm too much of a dreamer longing for a time when a guy's reaction to being freshly decieved by a TS, intentionally or unintentionally, will be a a casual shrug of the shoulder on his part and nothing more, but until the day comes when the majority of men are secure with who they are (manhood or whatever) and not out beating or killing TS women, I'll keep placing blame firmly where it belongs -- with the culture that spawns such paranoia, hatred, and violence. Not at victims like Gwen.

You want reaction ? Shock value ? I would absolutely love to wake up to your avatar for a month.

:)