The riots and protests appeared to have worked. The people have spoken. He has FINALLY has been arrested on one murder count. Good!
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The riots and protests appeared to have worked. The people have spoken. He has FINALLY has been arrested on one murder count. Good!
Yes he did get arrested on Murder charges. But isnt murder when you intetionally kill someone? From all the vids I have seen, I dont think that he did it deliberately. He did pull his gun out and why he did it is unclear because the audio in the video is not clear. It looks to me like he pulled his gun for some unkown reason and it went off. He never really pointed and aimed his gun. He was just standing over the victim and the cops gun was just hanging at his side and it went off.
I suppose with all of the outrage that was going on, they had no choice but to arrest him on murder. If anything else would have been done there would have been even more violence. Arresting the cop for murder is the only way to stop the violence in the streets. Funny how that works in certain cities and with certain races of people. I wonder if the victim was a rich white guy, a muslim that looked like a terrorist, or an asian guy. Would the murder charges still apply? Hmmmmm....
Are you on crack? he took out his gun and pointed it at the dude and then pulled the trigger... What the hell are you talking about that he "didn't do it deliberatlely"? Sure pal, that's going to hold up in court.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_drade
It looks like an accident if you watch the video. You see how the cops reacted to the shooting. It wasn't done deliberately.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_drade
As for stopping the rioting, we have ways to stop them, it's just that our government isn't hardcore enough to deal with fuckheads. Personally if you riot, I hope you get shot or run over. You're a fucking idiot and deserve to get hurt. Burning down the neighborhood is uncalled for in any situation. Putting an innocent man in jail is not the way to deal with the situation.
I'm well aware of the police corruption that goes on in the country. The Sean Bell case is an example of police corruption. He was shot a ridiculous amount of times and didn't have a weapon, didn't commit a crime, etc. This situation though in Oakland, was an accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Nino
I am not on crack. What I am saying is that it is inconclusive to say that it is murder. But if in your little mind you want to imagine that, go right ahead. In fact if you want, you can think that he woke up in the morning thinking "I'm gonna kill me some nigga today".Quote:
Originally Posted by El Nino
Killing someone and murdering someone are two different things in this country, and to convict someone on a crappy video like that is crazy.
I dont know if you remember, but a few years back there was a cop that was arresting a young black guy and there was a video of him slamming the kid on the back of his car really hard. There was the same uprising and they were going to prosocute the cop for abouse of power. The cops defense was that the kid grabbed his nuts and then slammed him on the car to make the kid let go. Nobody belived him until another vidoe showed up that showed the kid doing just that. After that second video showed up you never heard anythin about it again. Could it be that the original video was incunclusive? I would have to say so. So the next time you make your decision based on what some other party goer has recorded on thier little phone cam, you should think again.
I totally agree with you Kitty. At least there is someone here that is using her head.Quote:
Originally Posted by kittyKaiti
The only problem that the cop will have, is going to be finding a jury that would be symapthetic to him.
Unfortunately, the cops are helpless when it comes to stopping a riot in Oakland. If they would have stopped the riots, it would have been portrayed as some racist, police brutality story in the press. And the bad thing is that all of the damage that was done was done to innocent peoples proerty. I suppose that is justice in the minds of some people.
I feel bad for this cop because I think it was an accident and now he is going to be railroaded.
Oscar Grant was a piece of shit criminal scumbag and convicted felon who contributed NOTHING to society.
C'mon I can see an insanity plea for this officer cause it looks like he had an apparent case of rage, happens all the time; hard to detect that somebody can do that when a person is going through police academy. Not pre meditated but still at the time this happened this guy meant to kill him.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_drade
Most cops I know have stated over and over again that they are trained to hurt/maim or stop a suspect. They are not trained to kill. Professional cops with prior military experience are sought after and recruited--however their training tends to be more emphasized in this area. Police do not want to kill. They want the courts to make that judgement.
This being said I think they should throw the book at him to make people with even the slightest mental issues think twice about becoming an officer of the law, takes a special person to do that and that officer was not one of them.
Way to go Solitary! Way to dehumanize the victim! Get a clue man. Calling someone a "piece of shit criminal scumbag," still does not give anyone carte blanche to shoot that person in the back, when he is laying face down and unarmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solitary Brother
Yes, it was, most likely, an accident. But guess what? You pull a gun out and it accidentally discharges, you are still responsible for whatever damage that bullet causes.
Reports say that he is being charge with murder. In the end, I think he will be charged with involuntary manslaughter under California Penal Code 192
192. Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without
malice. It is of three kinds:
(a) Voluntary--upon a sudden quarrel or heat of passion.
(b) Involuntary--in the commission of an unlawful act, not
amounting to felony; or in the commission of a lawful act which might
produce death, in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and
circumspection. This subdivision shall not apply to acts committed in
the driving of a vehicle.