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Happy New Year and well said, eclipse (so well said, you had to say it five times, ehh? note to moderators: this repeat posting glitch has GOT to be fixed!). I think it is important to distinguish gay (social) from homosexual (sexual orientation), and based on what you've said, if terms are needed, I would argue that most "tranny chasers" are bisexual, but only if you only allow three possible choices: homosexual (same sex), heterosexual (other sex), and bisexual (both sexes). There are many valid subtypes, especially I think of bisexuality, and not just because tranny chasers want an easy "out" for indulging in cock. Some, I think, do, and it may even be a majority or at least a large minority (I've never seen anything resembling a statistical survey and doubt that I will). But I also think many guys love girls with dicks but not the dicks in and of themselves: there's something very intoxicating about that "forbidden fruit" which truly does charm and entice many men who are otherwise not interested in dick (as opposed to denying that they are interested). Part of this is that many transwomen are incredibly sexy and sexual people, and in fact I think this goes a long way to distinguish "good" providers from "bad" in the escort world: the best providers I have known absolutely love the sex, and they simply exude sexuality. This is a huge turn on, way beyond how good a girl looks. That is, a beautiful TS will draw the eye, but if she's, pardon the expression, a cold fish who is bored with escorting (and therefore shouldn't escort), then she immediately loses a lot of appeal. But a less beautiful girl, who is into it, suddenly increases her appeal (and becomes far more beautiful, at least to her temporary partner).
To be honest, bisexuality is kind of an easy out for me. It's totally true; I have loved sex with men and women (and, lately transwomen) as long as I can remember, though I consider myself subtype "hetero-bisexual" because while I love sex with men, I'm not and have never been (well, maybe once :lol: ) emotionally or romantically attracted to a man, and I am deeply attracted romantically and emotionally to women. But being bisexual, to me, erases any and all stigma related to the old "am I gay" way of thinking. Of course I am (in this sense), and proud of it. But it's an easy out because my primary relationship is with a woman, and I've never had to confront society at large or family or friends who would be uncomfortable with my sexuality as anything but an apparently heterosexual male. My homophobic brother-in-law sees me with my wife and simply assumes I'm "OK"--no need for confrontation. But if my wife were male (highly unlikely) or a transwoman (also unlikely but certainly desirable), then I would have to face that scene. Being bisexual and with a female, I'm spared that scene.
Another thought: if it's fair to use the term "tranny chaser" then it must be fair to use the term "tranny," yet I find that rather distasteful and derogatory. I truly respect all members of the transgendered community I have come to know--in whatever capacity--and do not want to use any potentially insulting terms. But if transwomen want to be respected, why do so many (certainly not all and maybe not most) lump us all together as "tranny chasers" to dismiss us? It seems very unfair. Can't we as a community have a little more respect for one another?
BTW--I just got a 404 page error upon posting, but rather than going back and reposting, I opened up the thread in a new browser window and saw that my post had indeed gone through.
I understand what you are saying but for the act to be gay or bi (at least to me) you have to view who you are with as being male, even just a little bit.
The TS women that I have been with don't view themselves as male and I don't view them as male either.
In the begining, when I was first just around a few TS woman I was attracted to them as women but stayed away because I did view thwm as males. After really getting to know a few of them I began to view them as women, totally. That's not just about attraction. Most GG women that have befriended TS women that I have know have not been able to view them as anything other than female.
Also being on the TS scene you will find many lesbian women that become attracted to attractive TS women. A hardcore bull dike that has sex with a TS doesn't automatically become straight or bi because of that.
I understand what you are saying but for the act to be gay or bi (at least to me) you have to view who you are with as being male, even just a little bit.
The TS women that I have been with don't view themselves as male and I don't view them as male either.
In the begining, when I was first just around a few TS woman I was attracted to them as women but stayed away because I did view thwm as males. After really getting to know a few of them I began to view them as women, totally. That's not just about attraction. Most GG women that have befriended TS women that I have know have not been able to view them as anything other than female.
Also being on the TS scene you will find many lesbian women that become attracted to attractive TS women. A hardcore bull dike that has sex with a TS doesn't automatically become straight or bi because of that.
I understand what you are saying but for the act to be gay or bi (at least to me) you have to view who you are with as being male, even just a little bit.
The TS women that I have been with don't view themselves as male and I don't view them as male either.
In the begining, when I was first just around a few TS woman I was attracted to them as women but stayed away because I did view thwm as males. After really getting to know a few of them I began to view them as women, totally. That's not just about attraction. Most GG women that have befriended TS women that I have know have not been able to view them as anything other than female.
Also being on the TS scene you will find many lesbian women that become attracted to attractive TS women. A hardcore bull dike that has sex with a TS doesn't automatically become straight or bi because of that.
Point, counterpoint. I agree with you. While I think there are transwomen who see themselves as males in transition (thus, sex with them is tantamount to homosexual sex), I think others see themselves as women in all ways, except their sex organs and how they use them. We really get down to semantics here. I will concede that, based on the reigning definition of homosexuality, sex with another person's penis if you also have a penis is technically homosexual, but the sex isn't gay if you don't see that other person as male (or, on the other side, if you're the transwoman in the couple, if you don't see yourself as male). Quite honestly (and it doesn't matter to me because I am bisexual and enjoy sex with men), I see every TS I've been with as a woman. I love their "something extra" but I most assuredly don't see them as male or even as males-in-transition (other than to acknowledge that personal history, which is fact); as far as relating to them goes, they are women.Quote:
Originally Posted by RangeHova
I have never and would never suck a guy's cock. I'm not attracted to guys - that's why I don't go with crossdressers and transvestites. I am only attracted to beautiful women and whether they have a cock or not I'm going to go down on them. :roll:
I have never and would never suck a guy's cock. I'm not attracted to guys - that's why I don't go with crossdressers and transvestites. I am only attracted to beautiful women and whether they have a cock or not I'm going to go down on them. :roll:
EXACTLY!!!!!Quote:
I am only attracted to beautiful women and whether they have a cock or not I'm going to go down on them.
I truly feel that a TS is a woman. Gender is not what is in a woman's panties. Some women just happen to be born with penises. That being the case along with the way society deals with them makes them different but it doesn't make them MEN.
Anyone who sees them as men doesn't accept/understand what it is to be a transsexual.
There just isn't a black and white when dealing with something like this. Some will take the position that it's the penis that is the only male thing, most will say that anything and everything to do with a TS is male, then you have folks like me who say that nothing is male.
The truth of the matter is probably that there is no one truth. The truth is in the person that is dealing with that TS. What is really in that person's heart and mind. Sure, some folks are in denial and the TS represents some safe gay fantasy. But others (like myself) simply see a TS as a different type of woman.
Look guys... The simple fact is that transgendered people have a gender identity that does not match their physical body. For mtf that means we male genitalia and our perceptions of ourselves are female. Some of us chose to 'correct' nature's mistake (like a host of other birth defects) and others simply live as they are. It then follows that a man that sucks a penis is having homosexual contact, regadless of what it's attached to.... I know this is jarring, but this is currently the paradigm that our society operates under. It's not ideal, but that's the way it breaks down.
A man cannot be performing fellatio unless he's engaging in homosexual contact.