Re: Happiness is a warm gun
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Originally Posted by
dreamon
The reason the NRA has to take such a hard stance is that every time gun control is passed, it is never enough for those that oppose Second Amendment Rights. Every time pro gun rights legislators compromise, that compromise becomes tomorrow's "loopholes".
They actually came out with a fantastic video earlier this week that covers this.
In all honesty, I don't support the NRA as a whole and am no longer a member. But that has to do with their foray into lobbying for topics other than the Second Amendment, which I find to be unacceptable. But when it comes to protecting our Second Amendment rights, they are still fighting hard.
The video justifies gun ownership for protection, but Dom Raso doesn't explain why, just assumes that Americas under threat from whatever that is need a gun -in his view, the right gun for the right purpose- and presumably so they can then use it. In a modern democracy like the USA, a citizen feeling threatened can call 911, which is what the police are there for. The idea that 'gun law' is acceptable thus undermines the purpose of law enforcement, and more often than not 'protection' or even 'self-defence' turns out to be murder with the murderer set free by a lenient court. When George Zimmerman was 'threatened' by Trayvon Martin, assuming he was, he shot Martin dead, even though his victim was unarmed.
Dom Raso has concocted a bogus argument, but is right about one thing: all guns should be banned, and the 2nd Amendment repealed.
Re: Happiness is a warm gun
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Originally Posted by
dreamon
That is fantastic. I can't imagine living in a country where the government has that much power over your daily life. Our government isn't perfect, but at least we believe in civil rights.
In fact the US, at the Federal and State level, as with the UK and many other countries has numerous categories of knives and blades that are banned. You probably need to explain how been prevented from purchasing a lethal weapon violates your civil rights -?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_legislation
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I call bullshit on Dom Raso. I don’t know anyone who wants to “get rid of every gun in America.” The real myth is that people buy AR-15s and like weapons to protect themselves.
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Originally Posted by
dreamon
The reason the NRA has to take such a hard stance is that every time gun control is passed, it is never enough for those that oppose Second Amendment Rights. Every time pro gun rights legislators compromise, that compromise becomes tomorrow's "loopholes"...
You aren’t really falling for the slippery slope fallacy, are you? As if gun enthusiasts and the NRA can hold the line with AR-15s, thirty round magazines, concealed and open carry, but one compromise and it’s all over - no guns for anyone. Give me a break.
The reason the NRA takes a hard stance on firearm regulation is that it’s the lobbying arm of the arms industry and the reason people buy AR-15s isn’t for protection, it’s because they like them. Except for killing other human beings, there’s no practical function for such a weapon. There is no sport in hunting with them, unless you’re hunting humans. There is, I will grant, the pleasure of shooting targets, the pleasure feeling the rapid fire discharges vibrating through your arm and shoulder. There is the pleasure of owning one and let’s not forget the daydream of being a hero in a fantasy rebellion against a federal government turned socialist. These are the real reasons people buy and own civilian weapons that simulate militaristic assault weapons. And it is in the service of these trivial pleasures that children are dying.
Re: Happiness is a warm gun
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Originally Posted by
Stavros
In a modern democracy like the USA, a citizen feeling threatened can call 911, which is what the police are there for.
If you have seven minutes, sure.
https://www.asecurelife.com/average-...response-time/
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Originally Posted by
trish
I call bullshit on Dom Raso. I don’t know anyone who wants to “get rid of every gun in America.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCRKv-szJlo
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Originally Posted by
trish
You aren’t really falling for the slippery slope fallacy, are you? As if gun enthusiasts and the NRA can hold the line with AR-15s, thirty round magazines, concealed and open carry, but one compromise and it’s all over - no guns for anyone. Give me a break.
The "gun show loophole" was one of the compromises that allowed the Brady Bill to pass. If that "loophole" is closed, which compromise do you target next?
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The gun banners are pussies plain and simple
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Erika1487
The gun banners are pussies plain and simple
Hey Dreamon, Erika, a self-proclaimed national socialist thinks you're on the right side of history. This doesn't always mean you're wrong but it can sometimes make one re-think their position.
Re: Happiness is a warm gun
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Originally Posted by
dreamon
The "gun show loophole" was one of the compromises that allowed the Brady Bill to pass. If that "loophole" is closed, which compromise do you target next?
Assuming the “gun show loophole” is what allowed the Brady Bill to pass, you should know the Brady Bill didn’t “get rid of every gun in America.” There were no dominoes, no sliding, no slippery slope.
But to answer your question: 1) close the loophole, 2) have a registry for all guns and 3) require liability insurance for every gun just like for cars. 4) No “assault” weapons (we can figure out what that means when - if ever - the bill banning them is written).
Currently there are very very few people who oppose the 2nd Amendment. The argument is over interpretation, implementation and regulation. But as more schools, theaters, concerts and more CHILDREN get shot up by sick fucks competing for the highest body count using “rifles” intended to simulate military assault weapons, you may find the 2nd Amendment falling more and more into disfavor. I would contend the AR-15 and like weapons are the 2nd Amendment’s worst enemy.
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If you look at the statistics, you'd find out that Wayne LaPierre would charge you more for Home Insurance if you had a gun in the house, if Wayne LaPierre sold Home Insurance instead of selling Guns. But I'm an Optimist, I think all the people who have been talked into the NRA can be talked out of the NRA. You may have to dumb down your message to get through, though.
By the VietNam War, they had to shoot 200,000 rounds for every one fatality. It seems like the Kill Rate is a lot better in School, maybe we should eliminate School. So it would never happen again. Why should our tax dollars go to babysitting brats all day? I don't have any kids, why should I pay for some Dreamer?
There are about 250 justified Homicides per year in the US. Check the stat, if you're ambitious, I wonder how many of those justified shootings were with an Assault Rifle? Or how many were against an armed felon?
For me, Sandy Hook confirmed our Nation has lost it's Heart, Jesus.
Erika, the first Assault Weapons were used by the Nazis in '44. At first Hitler hated the idea, but after rave reviews on the Eastern Front, he came to love them.
He used a Walther PPK on himself.
Probably a good career move at the time.....
https://preview.ibb.co/e1w8f7/Sturmg...44_762x350.jpg
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Originally Posted by
broncofan
Hey Dreamon, Erika, a self-proclaimed national socialist thinks you're on the right side of history. This doesn't always mean you're wrong but it can sometimes make one re-think their position.
Well she's fucking stupid. If she's actually a national socialist, perhaps she should study up on the NSDAP's gun control policies.
