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Originally Posted by McManaman

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Originally Posted by hondarobot

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What the hell? McManaman is actually Superman from the VR forums? I remember that guy. I honestly dont know why someone who has so many issues with porn would be active on any porn related forums.

I honestly have nothing against the guy, but come on. . . if you didn't like porn on some level you wouldn't want anything to do with it.

It's like a witch hunter or something. "We need to flog the evil out of this girl. Strip her and I'll begin the flogging! On that beautiful naked ass. . . I dont want to do it, I feel I owe it to her."

That's just dumb.

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You silly boy!

This forum is not only porn related. You can find some very good
and deep stuff inside it, and that's the point. In fact, some
great personalities here tend to leave this forum and consider it
boring when no other contents but pure porn related things are
presented here. For example, it was long time ago i read Felicia
Katt's posts here, and they are always worth reading. But not only she,
many other great girls show tendency to leave. And then we have
you, me and senchy left here. That's sad and pathetic..

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Huh? Nobody ever leaves this forum, they just occasionally stop posting for awhile. I'm not sure what the connection you see between you, myself, and seanchai is (although it was amusing to see his name misspelled again, it's been awhile). Pretty much all the regular characters here post at least once a day.

Here's what I find unpleasent about you: You posted on Vicki Richters forum that you considered her a "clever boy" (or something like that) who was just being a girl for business purposes. If that was said to any girl on this forum in the real world and I was present, I would have punched you in the face.

Admittedly it may not have been a very effective punch since I'm not The Worlds Strongest Man or anything, but still it would have been warrented.

Then you went on some tirade about wanting to save Vicki from porn. The lucrative, entertaining and personally fullfilling career she has built for herself. What a hero.

I next recall you saying something about loving your wife and children. . .then proclaiming your love for Vicki (and no, I'm not pointing any fingers over that last one, heh).

Now you're going on and on about your crusade against porn and the fact that you send money to children in Sudan (or whatever). Get over it. In fact, sensing your deep compassion for the downtrodden of the world, send me some fuckin money. I can barely afford to buy drinks and hit on slinky club girls.

Where's the compassion for me?!?

Ok, I've lurked through this thread long enough. Not that a noob on the forum will carry any weight but...

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Originally Posted by McManaman

I know some people whose daughter voluntarily went into that "industry". Believe me or not, they behave like they lost something invaluable. It's literarely impossible to mention their daughter's name in front of them, because if you do so, you'll hit them hard,you kind of remind them that there is a hell on the earth to be aware of. So the daughter enjoys
her own life, but at the same time she destroyed at least 2 other lives.

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Yeah right... Just like my parents were destroyed when I became a full time musician in the '70s, they got over it eventually and I'm still not addicted to heroin (as was my mother's most heartfelt fear to the grave). So what then? The world should become even more overrun with miserable people who hate their own lives just to continue "doing what we're told" when we're all old enough to decide our own path?

Get off the soapbox dude... That all went the way of Ozzie and Harriet decades ago. Leave the saving of souls to the Jehovah's Witnesses that are about to knock on your door.

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Originally Posted by McManaman

The privacy: I'm always using http proxies in this context, so don't be
supprised if you figure out that was John Cleese who was using some
pure swedish proxy (with good performance) in order to hack the White House intranet just to impress Queen Elisabeth, or something like that,
after finishing your detective research :-)

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Honestly, I doubt that anyone who uses the word "literarely" is that smart... Literally.

To be fair, it has been suggested that Mcmanaman using English as a second language. Which, if true, means he's doing pretty well. :?

What's his first language, Scottish?
seanchai

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Originally Posted by hondarobot

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I next recall you saying something about loving your wife and children. . .then proclaiming your love for Vicki (and no, I'm not pointing any fingers over that last one, heh).

Now you're going on and on about your crusade against porn and the fact that you send money to children in Sudan (or whatever). Get over it. In fact, sensing your deep compassion for the downtrodden of the world, send me some fuckin money. I can barely afford to buy drinks and hit on slinky club girls.

Where's the compassion for me?!?

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Oh, yes! This one requires a further explanation:
No, i don't have any children and wife. In fact,
i don't have any closer family at all and i really
would not like to discuss that here. That post
was more hypotetic one, i was hoping to get a picture
of a certain life scenario. Can't you "read between the
rows" at all?

Charity for you: no, dude, no money for you. If you didn't
spend all your savings on some expensive trips to a certain
desert then you would be rich today. But if you sell the Holly
Towell, that could bring in some bucks. :-)

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Originally Posted by OmegaMetallicus

Ok, I've lurked through this thread long enough. Not that a noob on the forum will carry any weight but...

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Originally Posted by McManaman

I know some people whose daughter voluntarily went into that "industry". Believe me or not, they behave like they lost something invaluable. It's literarely impossible to mention their daughter's name in front of them, because if you do so, you'll hit them hard,you kind of remind them that there is a hell on the earth to be aware of. So the daughter enjoys
her own life, but at the same time she destroyed at least 2 other lives.

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Yeah right... Just like my parents were destroyed when I became a full time musician in the '70s, they got over it eventually and I'm still not addicted to heroin (as was my mother's most heartfelt fear to the grave). So what then? The world should become even more overrun with miserable people who hate their own lives just to continue "doing what we're told" when we're all old enough to decide our own path?

Get off the soapbox dude... That all went the way of Ozzie and Harriet decades ago. Leave the saving of souls to the Jehovah's Witnesses that are about to knock on your door.

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Originally Posted by McManaman

The privacy: I'm always using http proxies in this context, so don't be
supprised if you figure out that was John Cleese who was using some
pure swedish proxy (with good performance) in order to hack the White House intranet just to impress Queen Elisabeth, or something like that,
after finishing your detective research :-)

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Honestly, I doubt that anyone who uses the word "literarely" is that smart... Literally.

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As i like to say it in this context: Being proud of knowing
your native language is a property of an idiot. Since english
isn't my native language, then it's natural that i make some
lingual mistakes.

But my friend, please don't let me be the reason of turning
your lurk mode off. Turn it on again for that matter..

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Originally Posted by seanchai

I think what your talking about Vicki is more like people doing bad business through mis-advertising and failure to live up to promises, if a customer bought a mis-leading website and failed to get the updates or the content that was promised on the advertising pages then they should make a complaint to that website and if necessary take further action by demanding a refund or chargeback.
I'm happy for a paying member to download everything on one of the websites and keep it forever, in their harddrive or disk to enjoy many times - I'm not happy for that paying members to post it where it makes money for other people or detriments my business - or sells that content as if they owned it.

Customers of adult sites should complain to the websites and the billing companies if they're not getting what is in the previews and advertisements.
seanchai

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these paysites don't give a damn about any complain.
all they reply is that THEIR site is the best in the business......

how many shemale paysites have their own ORIGINAL content?

20% will be a very generous .

paying for a membership for a site in which later you find out that you already have all their content from other sites make bitter customers , customers that paid but have been ripped off.

ripped off customers are most likely going to bit torrent and rapidshare to get free films instead of paying again and be ripped off again.

1 of these sites is regulary published here in hungangels............. :roll:

just my 2 cents for this subject

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Originally Posted by yosi

these paysites don't give a damn about any complain.
all they reply is that THEIR site is the best in the business......

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That may be true about some sites, but certainly not all. As someone who personally answers emails every day from customers of our paysites, I can tell you that some of us care very much. In fact, on more than one occassion, we have produced and added content simply because ONE of our members asked for it.

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Originally Posted by yosi

how many shemale paysites have their own ORIGINAL content?

20% will be a very generous .

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There are 4 things about this:

1) I'm not sure that original content is the be-all and end-all of a paysite. If someone has a collection of what a member wants, it may trump the simple fact of who made it. For example, I know there are many guys who want to see Shemale Creampies. For those guys, if there is a site that has lots of those videos, and it is updated regularly, they don't care if the site produced the content or someone else did, as long as it's good, it's what they want, and there's enough of it.,

2) A lot of sites have 2 or 3 day trials: it gives you the chance to take a look and see what's inside for $2.95 to $4.95. If you do the trial, look inside, don't see what you want, just cancel.

3) You're right that there are lots of sites (not just TS sites, but all kinds) which simply rip DVD's which "everyone" has seen before. They tend to make their money on people who are not familiar with this niche and join not having seen much of the content at all, so it's all new to those members.*

4) I don't think there's anything wrong with not having content you shot yourself, as long as you're not claiming taht you have it.

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Originally Posted by yosi

paying for a membership for a site in which later you find out that you already have all their content from other sites make bitter customers , customers that paid but have been ripped off.

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Most people join a site after looking at some sort of "tour". If you looked at teh tour, and you saw everything on that tour, why would you join the site anyway? I know for a fact that most paysites don't have material on their tour which does not exist inside their site. Those which do deserve to get slammed.

But also, when you say you already have all of their content from other istes, how many guys belong to multiple Shemale paysites at the same time (unles they are in non-overlapping niches)?

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Originally Posted by yosi

ripped off customers are most likely going to bit torrent and rapidshare to get free films instead of paying again and be ripped off again.

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But who is it that is posting on bit torrent and rapidshare? Do you think it's customers who feel ripped off, but stay as members anyway, but post the site's material on share systems? That doesn't make sense to me. I can tell you that a decent amount of the posting on the share sites is done for more nefarious reasons than that.

Also, in my experience, there's 2 groups of poeple: those who pay for porn, and those who make up some reason that "information wants to be free" (which is an astronomical misuse of a great phrase by people who have no idea of the original context I which it was used). The vast majority of guys who are downloading "free porn" were never "pay consumers" at all: just guys who "will never pay for porn". The ironic part is guys will pay to join a site where they can download pirated porn rather than pay the people who actually made and own it.

Now, yosi, NONE of the above should be taken to mean that there are not a very large number of absolute scumbags in the online Adult business. there are tons of sites which do not give value for money, and they fully deserve all of the shit which they get. But, unfortunately, too many times guys use the excuse that some sites are rip offs to themsleves turn arround and rip off the honest operators ("it's a dirty business, everybody does it, etc.")

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Originally Posted by yosi

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Originally Posted by seanchai

I think what your talking about Vicki is more like people doing bad business through mis-advertising and failure to live up to promises, if a customer bought a mis-leading website and failed to get the updates or the content that was promised on the advertising pages then they should make a complaint to that website and if necessary take further action by demanding a refund or chargeback.
I'm happy for a paying member to download everything on one of the websites and keep it forever, in their harddrive or disk to enjoy many times - I'm not happy for that paying members to post it where it makes money for other people or detriments my business - or sells that content as if they owned it.

Customers of adult sites should complain to the websites and the billing companies if they're not getting what is in the previews and advertisements.
seanchai

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these paysites don't give a damn about any complain.
all they reply is that THEIR site is the best in the business......

how many shemale paysites have their own ORIGINAL content?

20% will be a very generous .

paying for a membership for a site in which later you find out that you already have all their content from other sites make bitter customers , customers that paid but have been ripped off.

ripped off customers are most likely going to bit torrent and rapidshare to get free films instead of paying again and be ripped off again.

1 of these sites is regulary published here in hungangels............. :roll:

just my 2 cents for this subject

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All of my sites have 100% original content which is shot by individual photographers working with us whom get paid. They pay each model they shoot. We do not license or sell any content to any other site so if you see if on a Grooby site then we shot it and it belongs to us (note: we have rented a few extra feeds to provide some extra video content but it is clear that these are rented and they don't appear in our promotion, advertising or sales pitch of the sites).

If you do find a site that is that bad and doesn't give what it stated, report them to the billing company and demand your money back.
seanchai

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Originally Posted by yosi

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Originally Posted by seanchai

I think what your talking about Vicki is more like people doing bad business through mis-advertising and failure to live up to promises, if a customer bought a mis-leading website and failed to get the updates or the content that was promised on the advertising pages then they should make a complaint to that website and if necessary take further action by demanding a refund or chargeback.
I'm happy for a paying member to download everything on one of the websites and keep it forever, in their harddrive or disk to enjoy many times - I'm not happy for that paying members to post it where it makes money for other people or detriments my business - or sells that content as if they owned it.

Customers of adult sites should complain to the websites and the billing companies if they're not getting what is in the previews and advertisements.
seanchai

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these paysites don't give a damn about any complain.
all they reply is that THEIR site is the best in the business......

how many shemale paysites have their own ORIGINAL content?

20% will be a very generous .

paying for a membership for a site in which later you find out that you already have all their content from other sites make bitter customers , customers that paid but have been ripped off.

ripped off customers are most likely going to bit torrent and rapidshare to get free films instead of paying again and be ripped off again.

1 of these sites is regulary published here in hungangels............. :roll:

just my 2 cents for this subject

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It seems that there are a large number of guys out there who hate us site owners.
A couple years ago when I was first starting WWS,I posted a few sample pics to a long forgotten Yahoo TS group,and within hours I had like 3 or 4 guys post comments like..."Why waste your time,with so mucg free porn out there who would pay for a site" and similar sentiments.
I guess many people think that this "free" content grows on trees,or Bill Gates uploads it magically to your computer on a daily basis.
Its like going up to Eric Clapton and saying why make more CD's when I get all your previous work for free.

WWS also has 100% original content 99.9% shot by me.And while my work has been seen on many other sites,each set I shoot and use is exclusive to the site that bought it.
And personally I do care what my members think,afterall they are the ones who keep me going.

DJ Asia