Re: Occupy Wall Street protest
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onmyknees
No...wrong. I see America as divided as never before from an administration who has used class warfare as a political tactic from the day the campaign ended, who demagogues success, hard work and investment to the point where he's pitted one group against another, and made it seem that if you're down on your luck or unemployed...there's some rich guy behind the curtain who put you there. It will take a generation and a real leader to put this mess back together, and who's put us in a position that for the first time in the nations history....we face economic Armageddon. And that my friend is not an overstatement.
You are so right.
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our protesters have been moved on by the cops so now they have gone to the airport to join the customs protest.they seem to protest for any occasion
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Originally Posted by
russtafa
our protesters have been moved on by the cops so now they have gone to the airport to join the customs protest.they seem to protest for any occasion
lol.
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onmyknees
Sometimes your attempt to sound informed on all things goes astray and you wind up saying nothing at all despite all the verbiage and that's unfortunate. ...
Perhaps you don't understand what a 15 Trillion dollar deficit means.
But hey...you got your own demons over there, so don't believe me....but listen to Former Senator Judd Gregg one of the most respected financial minds in the country on the matter. And before you dismiss him as just another "slash and burn conservative", know this....Obama sought him as his Commerce Secretary before he declined the position. His phraseology for this is Economic Tsunami....mine is Armageddon. Pick your poison, but don't dismiss it ...only a Greek or a fool would.
America's Debt Is Unsustainable- Judd Gregg - YouTube
The irony is that you provide a link to a sensible view from Judd Gregg who presumably is regarded by apocalyptic Republicans as a RINO and would lose his seat if he were standing again. He does say the financial system has been stabilised by TARP, and he does say that at some point you Americans have the same problem we have in the UK-an ageing population who have accumulated -and in most cases paid for- their 'entitlements' for care in their own, very real 'last days'. Having stabilised the financial system, you could go on to support the President when he at least has a jobs plan - which Republicans oppose- because your deficit can be brought under control, and it can be progressively reduced if you get people back to work, be it 'real jobs' generated by industry or the private sector, or the kind of 'Keynesian' remedy we are all familiar with. My guess is that under present conditions, growth will be better in the US than in the UK, but it will be slow, and I know that the endless debate about raising taxes or lowering taxes or reforming taxes will go on and on, but your tendency to use the language of Armageddon distorts what is in essence a soluble political problem.
I actually sympathise with the problems you have referred to already concerning the mismanagement of public funds and the incompetent handling of infrastructural repairs, and so on, we have lost millions of pounds in the UK on similar projects that should have been relatively easy to complete, but none of these are issues that cannot be dealt with rationally, it is a pity the energy being used by people to moan about the bankers isn't directed at the bureaucrats in local or city government who need a kick up the ass. I am currently involved in a dispute with a government authority and the drivel I get from them in the post is one of the reasons perhaps why I write too much here...
Re: Occupy Wall Street protest
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Originally Posted by
onmyknees
but listen to Former Senator Judd Gregg one of the most respected financial minds in the country on the matter. And before you dismiss him as just another "slash and burn conservative", know this....Obama sought him as his Commerce Secretary before he declined the position. His phraseology for this is Economic Tsunami....mine is Armageddon. Pick your poison, but don't dismiss it ...only a Greek or a fool would.
"One of the most respected financial minds in the country" Bwahahaha! This is a guy with zero training as an economist. Not only that but he's so ideologically extreme he refused to serve his country when asked to do so by the POTUS. You want the top tier of financial minds, try Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman. Or if you can't deal with ideological diversity try Reagan economic advisor and Bush I Treasury official Bruce Bartlett.
If you're gonna appeal to authority, at least cite an actual authority ffs.
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robertlouis
The problem is that you need FDR and you've got Obama.
Bollocks.
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more that we have ever spent before and it does not work....We have never made good on our promises....I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started...and an enormous debt to boot!"
Henry Morgenthau - Treasury secretary under FDR.
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Scott Olsen 'Cannot Talk' after Injury at Occupy Oakland Protest
Iraq war veteran is believed to have sustained damage to speech centre of his brain in injury at Occupy protest on Tuesday
by Adam Gabbat
Scott Olsen, the Iraq war veteran who was seriously injured by a police projectile during a protest in Oakland, has regained consciousness but "cannot talk".
http://www.commondreams.org/sites/co...lsen_large.jpg In this undated photo provided by Keith Shannon, Scott Olsen is shown at a protest. Olsen, 24, who apparently suffered a fractured skull in clashes between police and anti-Wall Street protesters felt so strongly about economic inequality that he left his apartment each night to sleep alongside the demonstrators, his roommate said Thursday, Oct. 27, 2011. (AP photo/Keith Shannon)
Olsen, 24, is communicating with friends and family at his bedside by writing notes, but his injury is believed to have damaged the speech centre of his brain, according to Keith Shannon, who served with Olsen in Iraq.
Olsen is believed to have been injured by a police projectile. He was hit in the forehead in downtown Oakland on Tuesday evening, after marching with fellow demonstrators to protest the closure of an Occupy Oakland camp in the city.
"He cannot talk right now, and that is because the fracture is right on the speech center of his brain," said Shannon. "However, they are expecting he will get that back."
Shannon added that Olsen's "spelling is not near what it used to be".
"The doctors expect that he will have a full recovery," said Shannon, who is due to visit Olsen on Friday afternoon. "However, it is going to be a long road ahead for him."
Olsen was "really happy" to see his family, Shannon added.
A spokesman for Highland General Hospital confirmed Olsen could not talk, but said he "understands everything" doctors and family are saying. His family flew to be at his bedside on Thursday. The spokesman said Olsen remained under observation to determine if he needs surgery. His condition is "fair".
Video footage posted to YouTube shows Olsen lying motionless in front of a police line after apparently having been hit. A group of up to 10 protesters gather around him, but a police officer can be seen throwing a device close to the group which then explodes with a bright flash and loud bang, scattering the protesters. The video then cuts to footage of protesters carrying Olsen away as he bleeds from the head.
Oakland Mayor Jean Quan, who was in Washington DC when the clashes occurred, has sought to distance herself from the police action.
"I only asked the chief to do one thing: to do it when it was the safest for both the police and the demonstrators," she said.
© 2011 Guardian Media
Re: Occupy Wall Street protest
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BluegrassCat
"One of the most respected financial minds in the country" Bwahahaha! This is a guy with zero training as an economist. Not only that but he's so ideologically extreme he refused to serve his country when asked to do so by the POTUS. You want the top tier of financial minds, try Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman. Or if you can't deal with ideological diversity try Reagan economic advisor and Bush I Treasury official Bruce Bartlett.
If you're gonna appeal to authority, at least cite an actual authority ffs.
LMAO.....how much time do you have? I could go on for hours about how many times Krugman has been dead wrong. He's a professor, a theorist, and a talker and a hack, and the last Keyensian left standing. They give Nobel prizes out fairly easily nowadays, so that's hardly puts him in an elite category.
No comment on what Mr. Gregg has to say...just dismiss him? ....You're not really worth much more dialogue....you're a dupe with a closed mind. Thankfully folks like you are in retreat and in decline for your failed ideology.
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I can sympathize with some of the themes I hear from OWS. I was pissed off when the gov't funneled billions to Wall Street to prop them up a few years ago. But I haven't followed how much of that has been paid back. I know some has, and if they paid it all back I would be satisfied because the actions did appear to avert disaster.
I'd also like to see less involvement in wars like Afghanistan. Use that money to cut the deficit. On the other hand, an active military-industrial complex does stimulate the economy.
The main problem with OWS is that it's unfocused and incoherent. Too many complaints and no clear solutions. It's not obvious how effective it would be to get the government to "do more" to help people suffering economic hardship.
I can see people resenting the financial industry, which has grown immensely in the past 30 years and tends to prey upon the population, but the way to fight that best is to resist the temptation to buy their services.
Well, that's my liberal take.
Re: Occupy Wall Street protest
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Originally Posted by
onmyknees
LMAO.....how much time do you have? I could go on for hours about how many times Krugman has been dead wrong. He's a professor, a theorist, and a talker and a hack, and the last Keyensian left standing. They give Nobel prizes out fairly easily nowadays, so that's hardly puts him in an elite category.
God, you're a hack. Since you can't name any times Krugman has been wrong you just bluster & bullshit like your hero, the compulsive liar and bully O'Reilly. You couldn't ask for a more resounding defeat of austerity trickle-down voodoo and a more conclusive victory for Keynesianism than the last 3 years. As Milton Friedman said, "We're all Keynesians now." Every single serious economist to one degree or another acknowledges the need for more stimulus.
Face it, your blind ideology has led you down a dead end. Now it's up to you, step out of your bubble and learn something about the real world or just double down on insanity. Sadly, I know what your choice will be.
