Occupy Wall Street protest

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

The problem is that you need FDR and you've got Obama.

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:iagree::iagree::iagree:

I think that the democrats only real hope of re-election would be for Obama to stand down and for Hilary to run. Fat chance.

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Originally Posted by BluegrassCat

So again, your only point seems to be that because there has been corruption sometimes in the past we should never build anything again. If that's the way you feel, then you're a defeatist like I said.

And finally you agree with me about the Trump example. As you said it's a lack of demand, which is why the only body capable of jump-starting the economy is the federal government.

What percentage of the Energy Dept.'s Loan Guarantee $38 billion portfolio did Solyndra make up? Go ahead google it. (1.3%)

And again you want Obama to be both too corporate and too anti-corporate at the same time. I find him far too corporate as does the OWS crowd. Have you actually gone down there and talked to them? Cause I have.

You could be a decent guy if you got out into the real world and stopped relying on the horsehit Fox News is shoveling your way. Try some fresh air.

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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ating-20111025

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

You're right, but I fail to see how that gives the government the right to tell us how to spend our money when most people are still trying to catch up on past debt, particularly if they've learned their lesson.

I'm sorry, but IMO, debt is a much bigger problem than health care in this country, and one that will continue to grow if we keep spending... even if it's for health care. I really feel like overhauls to the system should have waited at least until we were independently, and as a nation, back in the black.

AC/DC - Back In Black (Live) - YouTube

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what you said is true, but is not anything in terms of what I was saying. My point was simply that, while this country needs to be put in check and have a major overhaul, we need to do the same at the individual level. I'm not trying to boost the government in any way at all. Id like to see it all burn to the ground and have to start over 100%. I think the current government is as corrupt and inadequate as any institution could ever be.

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Originally Posted by needsum

what you said is true, but is not anything in terms of what I was saying. My point was simply that, while this country needs to be put in check and have a major overhaul, we need to do the same at the individual level. I'm not trying to boost the government in any way at all. Id like to see it all burn to the ground and have to start over 100%. I think the current government is as corrupt and inadequate as any institution could ever be.

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I so wub you! :Bowdown:

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Interesting article.....

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/10/...-rising-costs/

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I so wub you! :Bowdown:

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don't tease me now baby..... ;)

Warren Buffett, "I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC. "You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all
sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election. The 26th
amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months
& 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in
1971...before computers, e-mail, cell phones, etc. Of the 27 amendments to
the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the
land...all because of public pressure.

Warren Buffet is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of
twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do
likewise.
In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the
message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

*Congressional Reform Act of 2011*

1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office
and receives no pay when they are out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All
funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security
system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system,
and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for
any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans
do.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay
will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the
same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American
people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.
The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen
made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor,
not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours
should serve their term's), then go home and back to work.

I love the article that came out about how the #occupy crowd is incensed that the homeless are coming up and eating all there prepared food. Oh the irony..

Homeless eating all our food

And the leaderless ground swell is becoming what they protest..

Occupy Portland files for incorporation

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Originally Posted by Prospero

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

I think that the democrats only real hope of re-election would be for Obama to stand down and for Hilary to run. Fat chance.

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Not one of the current Repub candidates can touch Obama.

Not because he is so great but they are like crabs in a barrel pulling each other down.

I'm a democrat but it baffles me that this is the best that the GOP can do?

Huckabee would have had a cakewalk with this group.

Romney reminds me of a Republican John Kerry.

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Originally Posted by Stavros

I think that the principle of infrastructural investment as one way of reducing unemployment and stimulating the local economy is sound, its not my fault if the project management skills in the USA are not up to scratch, its clearly not a Republican or Democract speciality as I recall the Republicans selected for it made a complete mess of the rebuilding of Iraq, and the Project Manager, Lewis Paul Bremer the Third (sounds Like George the Third) did not have the courtesy to discuss any of his wacky and destuctive Republican-inspired policies with the British Prime Minister, and as we say in the UK, he legged it as soon as he could to leave other people to clear up his Republican neo-con mess; -there must be something about politicians who have been in office year after year, it seems to detach them from day to reality, its not about the name tag on the party. We have the same incompetence in the UK, and right now the government is busy sacking civil servants, I only expect it to get worse. But as an argument, there are not so many alternatives, unless suddenly the recession we are all in comes to an end.

Bu then this from onmyknees:
No...wrong. I see America as divided as never before from an administration who has used class warfare as a political tactic from the day the campaign ended, who demagogues success, hard work and investment to the point where he's pitted one group against another, and made it seem that if you're down on your luck or unemployed...there's some rich guy behind the curtain who put you there. It will take a generation and a real leader to put this mess back together, and who's put us in a position that for the first time in the nations history....we face economic Armageddon. And that my friend is not an overstatement.

Aggression posturing, the rhetoric of armageddon is the tone set by successive Republican administrations -it suits you to describe your situatio as 'economic armageddon' because it is the Republicans who have declared war -first on other Republicans or 'RINOS'- and then everyone else who disagrees with the slash and burn attitude to taxes and regulation, which our weak Conservative party is trying to railroad through Parliament here. There are other ways of doing it, but we are sinking into a 10-year, Japanese style decade of no growth, and I don't see much to be too optimistic about, but Armageddon, as in, we all die horrible deaths? Too theatrical. This is real life, not Broadway.

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Sometimes your attempt to sound informed on all things goes astray and you wind up saying nothing at all despite all the verbiage and that's unfortunate. ...
Perhaps you don't understand what a 15 Trillion dollar deficit means.

But hey...you got your own demons over there, so don't believe me....but listen to Former Senator Judd Gregg one of the most respected financial minds in the country on the matter. And before you dismiss him as just another "slash and burn conservative", know this....Obama sought him as his Commerce Secretary before he declined the position. His phraseology for this is Economic Tsunami....mine is Armageddon. Pick your poison, but don't dismiss it ...only a Greek or a fool would.

America's Debt Is Unsustainable- Judd Gregg - YouTube