US Elections 2020

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Originally Posted by Stavros

Lastly, for now, the results suggest the US remains a bitterly divided country, that Biden has failed to sweep away the most obnoxious, corrupt and pompous liar ever to have been President. It says a lot about the country that they would even vote for such a preposterous moron

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It's particularly galling that more Americans already have voted for Trump than in 2016, despite all he has said and done over the past 4 years, despite his obvious tin-pot dictator tendencies and despite his abrogation of responsibility on a national crisis. Either they can't see what is happening in plain sight, they don't think it matters or they actually approve of it. If it wasn't for COVID-19 Trump would likely have won already.

I know the result is disappointing, given the expectations suggested by the polls, but bear in mind that Biden is leading the popular vote by 2.5% and that is likely to increase further. In most electoral systems that would translate into a decisive victory. In Australia the margin is rarely more than 2-3%, so if one side was starting with a 3% advantage the other party would almost never be able to win.

I don't like to predict anything in elections but Pennsylvania votes are coming in at a rate that suggest Biden will end up winning by 200,000 votes. I'm not really sure what Trump and Giuliani and Mcenany think they're going to argue in court. What's their legal theory?

If he loses I'll be happy enough he's gone, even if it's not the repudiation we wanted and even if we don't get the Senate. And it is possible that Dejoy cheated us out of the senate.

Think of it this way. If Trump had lost a few hundred thousand more votes in the right places, it could have been a lopsided electoral college vote. It still wouldn't have been good enough. We're a sick society if more than 20% of people think this daily spectacle was okay. Some of his tweets should be in a fucking museum showing how far we've sunk. I went to public school growing up and it wasn't a great school district. Everyone who's finished fifth grade should know this is not how elections are contested or how elected officials act. People voting for him are pieces of shit. I'm not even 100% sure we've won this election but I'm sure about that.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...141082624?s=20

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Originally Posted by broncofan

We're a sick society if more than 20% of people think this daily spectacle was okay.

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Not only does almost half the country apparently think it's okay, but most of them seem to relish it. It's unlikely that a more conventional Republican with the same policies would be as popular with the Republican base. It's as if they think the job of President is not to fix problems and try to build a better country for all Americans, but to be a sort of super-troll who sticks it to people they don't like.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

I don't like to predict anything in elections but Pennsylvania votes are coming in at a rate that suggest Biden will end up winning by 200,000 votes. I'm not really sure what Trump and Giuliani and Mcenany think they're going to argue in court. What's their legal theory?

If he loses I'll be happy enough he's gone, even if it's not the repudiation we wanted and even if we don't get the Senate. And it is possible that Dejoy cheated us out of the senate.

Think of it this way. If Trump had lost a few hundred thousand more votes in the right places, it could have been a lopsided electoral college vote. It still wouldn't have been good enough. We're a sick society if more than 20% of people think this daily spectacle was okay. Some of his tweets should be in a fucking museum showing how far we've sunk. I went to public school growing up and it wasn't a great school district. Everyone who's finished fifth grade should know this is not how elections are contested or how elected officials act. People voting for him are pieces of shit. I'm not even 100% sure we've won this election but I'm sure about that.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...141082624?s=20

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Donald-D.A.M.N-Trump and his enablers Kayleigh McBimbonany and Rudy-The Patsy-Giuliani coming up with lawsuits to challenge the results of the presidential election shows how desperate they are to hold on to power. and agree that some of his tweets should be in a museum showing how far the US has sunked.

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Originally Posted by KnightHawk 2.0

some of his tweets should be in a museum showing how far the US has sunked.

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Mausoleum would be more appropriate than a museum...

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Originally Posted by Stavros

Mausoleum would be more appropriate than a museum...

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Agree 1000%.

It remains to be seen whether Dejoy complied with Judge Sullivan's orders about the sweeps. Initial reports were that he didn't but now the reports are more opaque.

I've seen it claimed that 300,000 ballots went missing from USPS but there's no evidence of that.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/politics/usps-missing-ballots-fact-check/index.html?utm_content=2020-11-05T20%3A16%3A23&utm_medium=social&utm_term=link&ut m_source=twCNNp

Once again without any evidence Donald-D.A.M.N-Trump is making false accusations about him being cheated out of a victory,and vowing to go to the US Supreme Court to overturn, shows that he doesn't understand how the election process works and thinks that after election day has come and gone,the election is over and he should of won a second term,but he is completely wrong ,because that is not how it works,every ballot that is received on election day,whether it's a mail-in or an absentee ballot,or casted in person is counted by volunteers and certified by county and state officials. and there is a major contrast between the 2 candidates who is running for president,Joe Biden: who is acting more presidential and is saying the following,be patient and count every vote,Donald Trump on the other hand:is acting like a petulant teenager who was grounded for a month by his parents,making baseless accusations about the election being stolen from him,filing lawsuits and sowing doubt about the election and riling up his base of delusional supporters.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

It remains to be seen whether Dejoy complied with Judge Sullivan's orders about the sweeps. Initial reports were that he didn't but now the reports are more opaque.

I've seen it claimed that 300,000 ballots went missing from USPS but there's no evidence of that.

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And the tedious fact that when ballots go missing, they are Republican voting ballots; when there is fraud, it is Democrats stealing from the Republicans. If the President wins Pennsylvania, will it be due to fraud? Of course not.

Menwhile, Junior not only threatens total war, war to the death to re-elect his dad, on the basis that the election is being stolen, he has attacked 'Republicans' for not coming to daddy's aid, given that the Republican Party now belongs to them, and if you don't like it, then leave it-

"It’s time to clean up this mess & stop looking like a banana republic!"
https://au.news.yahoo.com/donald-tru...nrOXRjk9Db5uEB

Not sure if it was before or after this plea that Lindsay Graham and Marc Rubio did go on tv to defend their Boss against the hailstorm of fraud and the diet of bananas they think the Democrats will decree to be America's National Breakfast.

Or they could just wait for the votes to be counted, and accept the result.

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Originally Posted by Stavros

Not sure if it was before or after this plea that Lindsay Graham and Marc Rubio did go on tv to defend their Boss against the hailstorm of fraud and the diet of bananas they think the Democrats will decree to be America's National Breakfast.

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You really have to wonder why these people continue to be willing to trash their reputations by supporting claims they must know are ludicrous for the sake of a man they must know is on the way out. Lindsay Graham is particularly egregious because he was a Trump critic early on, but seems to have sold his soul for the sake of a few crumbs from the tyrant's table.