New Evidence Contradicts Zimmerman’s Claim of a Violent Fight With Trayvon Martin
New Evidence Contradicts Zimmerman’s Claim of a Violent Fight With Trayvon Martin
While George Zimmerman still has not been charged in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, his public defense — as espoused by his lawyer and family members — rests on the fact that Zimmerman was involved in a physical altercation with Martin. New evidence, however, contradicts that version of events. First there was the security camera footage from the night Zimmerman claims Martin beat him senselessly: to most who watched the video, Zimmerman appeared unscathed.
Now Richard Kurtz, the Miami funeral director who examined Trayvon Martin's body, says the body "showed no signs of a violent brawl."
We could see no physical signs like there had been a scuffle [or] there had been a fight. The hands — I didn't see any knuckles, bruises or what have you, and that is something we would have covered up if it would have been there.
In the strongest statement issued, Kurtz says Trayvon Martin "looked perfectly normal to me when he came in and the story just does not make sense that he was in this type of scuffle or fight in anything that we could see." CBS has video of the interview with Kurtz.
Furthermore, EMS documents obtained by the New York Daily News Friday indicate that a second ambulance was canceled. It had been called for the "second victim" who was "not a gunshot." Whatever injuries Zimmerman did sustain in the apparent fight must not have been sufficient to merit emergency medical response
http://gawker.com/5898036/new-eviden...trayvon-martin
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Ok, you win. You don't want to answer my serious questions only post up stuff you find on the internet.
I'm done here you win. back to porn
Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...s/viewpost.gif ****travon is only 160 lbs while zimmerman was a 250 lb man.
*****travon has a boyish voice while zimmerman has the voice of a man
he was 6'2" and a foot ball player, in way better shape than the accused
trayvon's father said on TV it was not his son screaming? who am i to believe you, the media or the kids father????
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buds
Did you seriously just type this?
Race should have zero to do with this. It was 2 guys who got into a situation PERIOD
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Criminally Negligent Homicide
Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...s/viewpost.gif
(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html
What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.
Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:
-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator
-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program
-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement
Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.
He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.
In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,
or the firing of the gun.
Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.
If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...
then he's guilty under the law.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
The endless speculation both in the wider media and in this thread about what actually happened was never the point of this case. That is for the courts to decide. Thankfully that is now at last going to take place.
It was, however, always about the fact that an armed man shot and killed an unarmed man and yet was allowed to walk without arrest or subsequent investigation by the Florida police, until they were belatedly forced to do so by public and political pressure, inflamed by the fact that the shooter was white and the victim was black. The failure to act at the time points to the inadequacies of the Stand Your Ground Laws.
Maybe it's time to take a step back and allow the law to take its course.
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Guess what?? Baltimore police have already ARRESTED those punks responsible for that assault.
It took media pressure and marches a month and a half later for Florida Law enforcement to arrest a man who ADMITTED to murdering an unarmed teen.
It's hard to claim self-defense when the biggest threat posed by the deceased is your paranoia about his skin color.
Do you care about justice, or is it all about deflecting from the unfairness in the way this case was handled from the beginning by police??
SYG law or not, you just can't murder someone, claim 'self defense' with no investigation and be allowed to go home without charges.
That's bullshit.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
I am still puzzled as to why newspapers can't agree on a simple fact: I have read that George Zimmerman was a 'neighbourhood watch chief', that he was a 'neighbourhood watch volunteer'; in one paper he is both a 'neighbourhood watch chief' and a 'self-appointed neighbourhood watch co-ordinator' which surely cannot be the same thing. I don't know if there is any legal issue regarding Neighbourhood Watch people and what they do; but if the newspapers can't get a single fact straight in the same report it does little to rescue the reputation of the press for hysteria.
The same report, in the Daily Telegraph claims that Angela Corey met the 'sweet parents' of Trayvon Martin three weeks ago, and that after the meeting they 'prayed together' which seems inappropriate to me in a judicial representative, but I guess you do a lot of things differently in America.
And for the record, black or white, the most disgusting and vicious murderers must have their right to a fair trial respected; on this basis the media should never be trusted to report even the basics correctly. In the 1980s during a riot in London, a policeman was savagely killed; the man arrested, of Afro-Caribbean origin, was pilloried in the press before his trial, typically in Murdoch's The Sun -he spent 18 years in prison before an appeal proved he was not guilty of the crime.
The Daily Telegraph report is here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ee-murder.html
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A trial with the desired outcome is NOT guaranteed. See Rodney King and Orenthal Simpson.
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What was the question again?
Why, hello there. I see your testicles have apparently fallen into your scrotum. But, unfortunately, you still haven't developed adequate mental maturity as of yet. You are still on the level of a 12 year old. I obviously asked several questions that were directed towards you, and I also made several statements that were directed towards you, in my post that came right before your post which I have just quoted above. I also have links that obviously lead to other questions and statements for both you and mildcigar. I assume that you have the ability to read and comprehend on an acceptable level. Otherwise you would not be on this forum. It seems that you two only see what you want to see and disregard everything else. Or, you only choose to talk back to people who it's EASY to talk back to, and run from those who would be difficult to handle. Typical. I will actually take the time to repost what I typed.
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"You hate to quote him"? Who? Point out a person/people if you're going to make such claims. Who hates to quote Bill Cosby? I'm black and I agree with what Bill Cosby said about social issues. My family and a lot of other black people I know personally agree with the things that Bill has said. Why are you under the assumption that virtually all, or at least a downright huge amount, of black people don't care about living well, being honest, etc, and would rather soak up the stuff that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton talk about as opposed to what Cosby has talked about? Stereotype much? Not all black people are super liberal to the point of not having a sane voice. I happen to be a registered Libertarian. I'm also an ATHEIST. What did you think I was? A Baptist Democrat, just because I'm black? You CONTINUE to embarrass yourself every time you open your damn mouth.
I'm also still waiting for you, and mildcigar, to finally go through puberty and develop the testicular fortitude to answer the questions I have specifically directed towards the both of you.
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...&postcount=504
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...&postcount=464
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...&postcount=392
You have both refused to respond/comment/answer. Instead, you go about using inflammatory comments directed towards other posters on the forum, or blurting out random nonsensical bullshit, and then of course that backfires, and you continue to make yourselves look like trolling asshats.
I will also take the time to repost the statements found on those links that I made a few days ago.
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yourdaddy
This half-black idiot President and his half-black idiot Atty General need to start leading all Americans...not just African-Americans.
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urbanchampion
Where's the proof that Eric Holder is "half-black"? And if you really want to get technical about it most African-Americans are "half-black", more or less, due to the One Drop Rule from a long time ago, but it's still perpetuated today.
Let's see what happens now. Let's hear more than one sentence from you the next time you respond. That is, if you actually have any courage to do so. Your track record on such matters gives me reason to speculate on your actions. Prove me wrong.
Which brings me to mildcigar. Everything I said to yourdaddy applies to you as well. You've been on the forum between now and the time that I made my last statement directed towards you yesterday. You have made statements to other people, just to troll as usual. so I know you saw my message.
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urbanchampion
No, it's not politically incorrect to mention that. But in the process of mentioning that, please also take the time to mention the fact that Zimmerman is the one who actually has as criminal history. Yet you want to point out what he said on Twitter and edit your post so you can attach a photo of him sticking his middle finger up? Don't be picky, bro.
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I think the above post underscores my point about social pathologies that run rampant in the black community. The poster is advocating mob violence against someone and thinks nothing of it.
Mark my words that this whole episode is going to backfire against the race hustlers, the black community in general, and Obama in particular. Just see what a race riot in FL does to Obama's reelection chances. The President should never have got himself involved in this mess. It just shows that he has very little self control.
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urbanchampion
I'm black and I don't advocate any violence towards Zimmerman. It's a shame that some people are. I'm not sure if giovanni's HOPES Zimmerman is attacked by someone. But, something doesn't smell right. False information about what Zimmerman did has been put out there by the folks who know him personally and by the police. If this is the case, then someone is trying to cover up something. Otherwise, why this huge scramble? Therefore, if something bad happens to him, I really don't care. I wouldn't care if his death photos get exploited on rotten.com. I don't have remorse for those who are guilty of harming the innocent. But I will say that Obama shouldn't said that Treyvon would have looked like his son. The moment he said that I KNEW people would jump all over him for it. And they did. People on this forum, the white nationalist trolls on Youtube, and Newt Gingrich.
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mildcigar_2001
For those who want to make a donation to George Zimmerman's Defense Fund:
Due in part to some of the mindless vitriol in this thread, I made a donation to the above defense fund to ensure that justice is obtained. I'm not going to let Al Sharpton railroad an innocent man into prison.
As a complete side note, I just wonder who was raising Treyvon that allowed him to have gold teeth and tattoos age 17. It sounds like his parents couldn't or wouldn't control him. Chances are if he looked like a gangbanger he acted like a gangbanger (I think the twitter account demonstates this as well). I'm not saying dress the boy like Urkel, (and granted I'm not very ghetto) but WTF is the logic in allowing gold teeth and tattoos. That is an indication to me that the kid is not being raised appropriately. I can just imagine what would have happened to me if I showed up at age 17 at home with tattoos (let alone gold in my grill).
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urbanchampion
Sprout some testicles and answer up, son.
I'll also address buds in something that he's done in the thread.
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buds
just a few pictures ive found:
What does Martin acting goofy on the internet, and joke pics of Obama (I will agree that he should have stayed out of this situation due to the fact that he would get trolled because of it) honestly have to do with this situation? I have asked mildcigar a similar question. You have posted those pics multiple times in a row just for the hell of it. That's trolling, sir. You doing that doesn't make your statements any more legit or worthwhile than the people who's views are different than yours and they troll the hell out of you with their statements or photo posting flame wars. You and the others need to grow the fuck up. You all look like some kids who got on the internet while mommy and daddy were gone and started bullshitting around.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
This article from Thursday's Guardian shows that we've still got a long way to go in the UK as well - and that the Met may still be "institutionally racist" as stated in the McPherson Report.
Metropolitan police reopen inquiry into death of Kester David
Family say it would not have taken so long to win action if bus driver, 53, found burned alive had been white
Metropolitan police suspend eight officers over allegations of racism
Met police drops insistence that David killed himself and launches fresh inquiry amid family claims that he was murdered. Photograph: Andy Rain/EPA
Police investigating the death of an African-Caribbean man found burned alive failed to interview vital witnesses for more than a year, despite people contacting officers within hours to report their suspicions, the Guardian has learned.
Officers concluded that the death of Kester David in July 2010 in north London was suicide without interviewing a witness who told of hearing screams of fear and another witness who was suspicious at seeing two white men near the scene.
Scotland Yard has dropped its insistence that David had committed suicide and launched a fresh inquiry amid family claims that he was murdered.
An internal police report found a "catalogue of errors" in the investigation after David, 53, was found dead in railway arches at Palmers Green station.
Potentially vital witnesses had not been interviewed while the family of David believed police failed them because of the colour of their skin, and had been disrespectful and insensitive.
After 18 months of telling the family that David doused himself in petrol before setting himself alight, the Met now says the death is "unexplained" and will be investigated by the homicide and serious crime command, led by Detective Chief Inspector Steven Lawrence.
The family of David, a bus driver, never believed the police account. Their suspicions were stoked when they were passed a copy of the internal police review, which exposed a string of failings and errors. At the inquest a coroner recorded an open verdict.
According to the Met's report, which the Guardian has seen, one day after the death a witness contacted police to say they heard screams at the time of David's death. The witness was interviewed over a year later.
In a statement, the witness said the screams heard at about 4.20am were of a man in fear, shouting at someone not to do something: "I suddenly heard the word 'No' shouted by a male at the top of his voice in a panicked and frightened way, as if he was shouting at someone else not to do something.
"I then heard a second 'No', shouted only five or six seconds afterwards. The second shout was almost identical to the first in that it was a frightened, panicked shout directed to someone who was about to do something against their will … it was a shout of fear of pain."
Another witness, again not interviewed for a year after the death, said he had seen two white men near the scene at the time of the death. He reported it to the police the day after, because it was unusual for people to be in the arches at night.
David's mother, Winifred Griffith, said she now expected police to carry out a full murder investigation. "We are disappointed that it has taken so long and that it has only been opened following our representations rather than as an immediate response to the findings of internal investigation reports that were available to senior police officers several months ago. We would not have had to wait so long and fight so hard if Kester had been a white man."
In her formal complaint about the case, Griffith said: "I feel that the police jumped to a number of conclusions, which were not supported by the evidence.
"The family and I feel that all these shortcomings and inconsistencies should have been enough to require the police to carry out further investigations beyond their initial conclusion of suicide. The police made too many assumptions and could not explain lots of inconsistencies."
In her complaint, Mrs Griffith said: "The police did not treat us with respect and dignity, and did not seem to care about what we thought. They also gave us incorrect information at times."
The case of David has strong parallels to the 1997 case of Michael Menson, who was found in Edmonton, north London. Police said Michael, who had suffered horrific burns, had tried to kill himself. Two years later, after police changed their approach, one man was found guilty of murder and another of manslaughter.
After the Menson convictions, then Commander Cressida Dick said: "What happened when Michael was murdered would not happen today, it would be a very different investigation today."
In a statement, the Met said: "A post-mortem examination gave cause of death as burns and inhalation of fumes. Enfield borough police investigated the case and concluded the death was non-suspicious.
"Following concerns from Mr David's family, two reviews into the investigation were carried out by senior officers from Enfield borough in September 2011 and January 2012. The results of those reviews remain under consideration and detectives from the homicide and serious crime command
ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling
ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...rvers-say?lite
Criminally Negligent Homicide
(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html
What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.
Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:
-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator
-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program
-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement
Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.
He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.
In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,
or the firing of the gun.
Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.
If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...
then he's guilty under the law.
