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Thank you...have an awesome weekend yourself!Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Is a comma a conjunction? I think not. A conjunction is a word to join other words or phrases (and, but, etc). A comma separates - a pause in a sentence. I don't think I'm intellectually challenged but (a conjunction, per se) I can masturbate.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
"Hey, don't knock masturbation! It's sex with someone I love" [Woody Allen]
The way I see it, a string of adjectives separated by commas is a conjunction of unary predicates. E.g. Let P(x) denote "x is intellectually challenged," let Q(x) denote "x stayed up late," and let R(x) denote "x is a wanker." Then "they were simply intellectually challenged, late night masturbators" translates formally into "P(they) AND Q(they) AND R(they)".
On the other hand "P(they) OR Q(they) OR R(they)" would be transcribed, "They are intellectually challenged, or up late or wankers (or any non-empty combo thereof)."
Had I wanted to convey "(Q(they) AND R(they)) -> P(they)" I would have said, "It's Friday night and they're here jerking off to internet porn, therefore they must be intellectually challenged." Alternatively I could've said, "They're not up late, or they aren't wankers or they are intellectually challenged," but I can't think of a way to do it with just a string of adjectives separated by commas.
I supposed something should be said about the convention that some English language users (me included) leave out the last comma (it's implicit?) and some don't. But I won't say anything about that :)
Strings of words or phrases separated by commas are another issue altogether.
BTW. Hi martin. You know i <3 u.
Did President Obama break the law by divulging America's "secret" drone program?
Obama defends illegal drone attacks - YouTube
White House Comments On Drone Program - YouTube
Obama's a war criminal, I don't know how these scumbags can show up and accept a nobel peace prize with a straight face. He's in good company with Kissinger.
The girl killed by Barack Obama - she never saw it coming - YouTube
We shouldn't be in Afghanistan at all. The civilian deaths in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are in the tens of thousands. No one can give anything close to an exact count. "Collateral damage" has always been one of the grievous horrors of war, whether wars are carried out by soldiers on the ground, bombadiers and gunners in planes, or robots with controllers in Nevada. If Obama is a war criminal, then so is Kissinger and so is Rumsfeld and so are Bush, Nixon and Johnson.
Look at the death counts of American soldiers and Afghan civilians over the last decade. (Did I say decade? Time to get the fuck out...soldiers and drones!). Both tolls have gone down since the use of drones. It used to be American soldiers were drafted into service. If you got the chance to choose, would you choose to go on foot with rifle in hand into enemy territory, or would you choose to sit behind a joystick in Nevada?
Obama does some of the same shitty things that Bush did yet these right wingers on here swear up and down the guy is the most left wing president of all time.
I would've loved to see a ticket with Roseanne vs Trump. America fuck yeah
Only the GOP makes up the numbers. The numbers I gave about employment are 100% true. And Trish is correct. You obviously do not know how to read a chart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabre6
The chart below is not about job loss. It shows the change in the job rates (Losses and gains) from Feb 2008 under Bush until today under Obama. The chart DOES NOT include the total amount of unemployed in the country. It only represents how many jobs were lost or gained under Bush and Obama.
The chart shows job loss during the Bush years from Feb of 2008 through Jan 2009 when Obama took office. Over 800,000 jobs lost under Bush in just his last year in office alone. Each of those months show a constant increase of unemployed just under Bush. They are all in red.
Obama's first month Jan '09 was still under Bush policies and showed a further increase in unemployed. But after the (then) democratic congress quickly passed a few bills in Feb '09, the unemployed numbers DECREASED, shown in blue. That means people found jobs. This trend continues through March of 2010 where for the first time, the employment rate is above what it was under Bush in Jan '08. Since March 2010 to today, more jobs have been created than bush had lost at his highest employment. This means that the over 840,000 jobs lost under Bush, have now been recovered. And the Obama job rate has added an additional 220,000 jobs. Recovering Bush's 840,000 loss and adding 220,000 more gives Obama a 1,060,000 gain in jobs just since Obama took office. The net gain is shown in blue above the "0" bar.
Obama didn't sit in the oval office and draw this chart for the hell of it. The chart is a fact of life whether you like it or not. So the numbers I gave before are not made up. They are the facts.
And the guy I "railed in a cunty way", started it by being a typical nasty ass republican FIRST. Stop being a right winger and look at the facts before you accuse someone of bull shit. Every time a republican is proved wrong, they twist the facts and words of others to make their own points look valid. And you think we are all stupid enough to fall for your carp. You are wrong. We see through it like water.
Doesn't that apply to every president? Well, Noam Chomsky seems to think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by shac
And Ralph Nader called Bush and Cheney war criminals. And says the same about Obama. As Nader said, Obama is committing war crimes.
And Ron Paul calls Afghanistan an illegal war.
Glenn Greenwald has said that we've been inculcated or taught to believe that politicians are above the law. And, as Greenwald pointed out, people in positions of POWER come to believe in the justness and merit of their elevated status and with that comes the belief that they're above the law.
Hang the President - YouTube
Bush and Cheney commited war crimes, Obama is doing the same crimes (Ralph Nader) - YouTube
This War Is Illegal! Ron Paul Afghanistan War Debate - YouTube
Greenwald-Talbot Dicussion_2.wmv - YouTube
That is a pointless accusation. Every military strike on any city or town will unfortunately kill innocent people. I don't care who gives the orders. Under Bush Jr. alone, more than 80,000 innocent victums were killed in manned and unmanned air attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan. His Daddy's attacks in the first Gulf War killed more than 30,000 innocent people. Innocent people meaning those private civilians of our enemy countries not involved in the military or in combat against us. That is why we should have never gotten involved in these wars in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by shac
Obama is the one getting us OUT of these wars that Bush started. His extended drone attack have taken out more terrorist in 3 years than bush and Clinton combined in 16 years, and have killed far far less of the innocent people. He did Bush's job and got Osama Bin Ladden. Yeah Obama is such a criminal and scumbbag. Look at the thousands of innocent people the terrorist killed here in America. I guess you think that our criminal scumbbag Obama should just ignore them, do nothing, and let them build up to kill more of us.
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Originally Posted by Ineeda SM
Interesting chart...where'd ya lift that from? Unless I see some references along with that chart, it's as meaningless as a pollster with an agenda asking questions to manipulate the answer. Why does it not include the amount of unemployed? The chart looks to me as though it shows job gains...not loss....therefore not net. Thus the need for reference material. For example...what good is it if you're creating 50,000 and losing 75,000 ? It appears by your chart, the average is about 150,000 jobs for the past year. At that rate, it will take 7 years to get to a 5% unemployment rate. Look....anybody who studies these numbers can cook them any way they like.For example the unemployment rate does not include the number of people who have dropped out of the work force. But alas....aren't they still unemployed?
Ever hear of Austan Goolsbee? He's Obama's former chairman for the council of economic advisors. A numbers guy...Here's what he had to say on Friday....
A recent unemployment report found that even though the unemployment rate declined, 50,000 people left the labor force. “As bad as the unemployment rate has been, the actual job situation in the country has been worse than that because these ways that they don't get measured.”
Almost six million Americans classified as “discouraged workers,” or rather those who have lost hope, are not counted in the unemployment numbers. Economist Aparna Mathur says if these people were counted, “That number is really almost double the official unemployment rate. And that sort of gives you a much better, a much more realistic picture of the labor market.” ( READ THAT AGAIN)
I think in this case, I'll let Obama's economists words speak for themselves, and disregard your colored charts, with all due respect. And one more thing....all those policies you mention that Obama implemented to get this economy roaring...care to elaborate what they were? Oh....the stimulus...that's right. Borrowed money..... deficit spending...Just when do we pay that back? Or do we borrow another trillion to pay back the first trillion? That's the catch 22 of deficit borrowing. Nothing is going to convince you so in the end it's useless. The election won't be won on questionable charts. If the private sector is creating 500,000 jobs a month by November, he may be on his way to a second term...if not you'll jump off a cliff with the rest of the lemmings. It's that simple. And I can't wait !!
The source is from National Labor Relations Board figures for the time periods of the chart. Look it up yourself. I am sure you will still insist it is bull shit. That all you ever say about everything that you don't like.Quote:
Originally Posted by onmyknees
I see you don't know how to read a chart too. The red shows job loss, the blue shows job gains. The gains are above the "0" line. It means a gain over Bush's loss. Not a gain above the national employment numbers. What else do you need to understand that part.
This is a country of 310 million people. There are always people leaving the work force no matter what the economy is like or who is in the oval office. Yes 50,000 left the work force. Not all of that 50,000 remain unemployed. Some of that number of people are the ones changing jobs and included in the higher employment figures. If the employment rate is higher this month than last month, obviously more people found jobs than those who lost jobs. It is still a gain.
The deficit was started by Bush who started his illegal war at $30BILLION per month with no plans to pay for it. Ask the GOP why they let him borrow so much on the taxpayer with no way of paying for it. Bush and the GOP handed Obama this mess. It's funny how you guys can never accept the blame for your part. OH NO we can't do that. Let's blame the new nigga who is actually fixing it.
You must be allergic to facts. What a shame.
Obvoiusly trying to take the high road here is a wasted effort. As I stated, I am NOT a Republican. I am an Independant I distrust both parties enough not to take anything from either of them at face value. However, that being said, You, Ineeda SM, are such a gullible tool if you buy into the Leftist spin-machine take on unemployment. Since you seem to be more comfortable in an insult laden gutter fight, I shall end my involvement in this thread thusly, EAT SHIT, you Insufferable Asshole & go Fuck Yourself. Have a nice dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Ineeda SM
I remember when Nader questioned whether Obama will govern as Uncle Same or Uncle Tom. He got attacked at the time, and even much of the left turned on him, but he couldn't have asked a more legitimate question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Ralph Nader asks if Barack Obama will be an Uncle Tom - YouTube
That is nothing more than mindless Obama apologetics. You sound like one of those progressives who protested the war under Bush and now bites their tongue. Step out of the false left/right paradigm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ineeda SM
Indiscriminately targeting civilians is a war crime.
Just for the record, your understanding of foreign policy is laughable. A typical ignorant American.
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Originally Posted by trish
Wow, this is hardcore stuff. I stand corrected - commas in a list are a grammatical shorthand for conjunctions. The "missing" last comma I would always obey this rule in my writing but it is not followed by all anymore.
You read Lynne Truss's 'Eats, Shoots and Leaves'?
Note also how I used "'s" at the end of Truss to imply possession - it's "'s" because Truss is a proper noun. Oh, I could go on all day --- sad, I know! And I used "it's" and not "its". :)
Take care
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/...rticle2325323/
Explains most of the above!
Did someone refer to you as an Obama apologist? LMAO. That would be the understatement of the decade. The single most revealing quote of the entire Obama abomination is this...."Shovel ready was not as shovel ready as we thought" .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ineeda SM
That pretty much sums it up there pretty boy. Here's a couple of more Obama apologists discussing Obama's inability to handle the joblessness. (link below) They don't seem quite as euphoric as you do, but then again few do.
What that reveals to me, and anyone else who understands the dynamic of job creation.....is that he doesn't. But appearently you already have a full time job, .....writing charts and graphs for "www.white-house.gov" LMAO.
And what would any post about Obama be without a few blame Bush referrences tossed in just to distract? This guys made a living at it for 3 1/2 years. So here's a few of mine ........
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-mat...t-being-ready/
Hi martin.
No, I'm not familiar with Truss and I confess that generally my punctuation is abominable, as you can surmise from my posts; not as poor perhaps as the posts of our more intellectually challenged conservatives :) but there is a whiff of incorrectness about them. Take that last run on sentence. Should there be a semi-colon there. I don't know. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Should there be a comma between poor and perhaps? Or a comma after perhaps? Again, I don't know__perhaps. Can smiley face icon serve double duty as icons and comma? And what's with those underscores? What's with beginning a sentence with "And?" Should that last quote go before the question mark? These are deep deep questions. Once I'm given the answers, I'll never remember them.
My opinions on the use of commas as conjunctions when separating adjectives is not based on any knowledge of grammar. I'm simply extrapolating from my experience as a mathematician and hoping it works.
With such pronouncements as 'Once I'm given the answers, I'll never remember them', there is little point in replying. :) (<-- Employed at this junction to imply a frivolous retort rather than an element of punctuation.)Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Math(s), eh? OK, attached is the most beautiful math equation ever. Agreed?
As far as punctuation is concerned: when in doubt use three dots (...) :)
lol You're such a bad girl lol but i agree he tap that ass I know I would lolQuote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Are you crazy? The lame duck and worse president in history and Hilary even said it is GEORGE MURDA MOTHA FUCKAS BUSH! he is resposible for bringing down the twin towers (fucking inside job) and spending 80 million a month for a war we shouldn't have been in. Why you think Colon Powell resign? No president has had more govt admin resign on their watch than that fool! he should be brought up on war crimes and skinned alive! He fucked up the economy with that war spending, making companies down size. If you were making 22 dollars an hour and got laid off from a job you worked at for 12 years then because of Bush's dumb ass get a job now for 15 dollars in the same field. He's a fucking dumb ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by HbgDon
Obama has nothing to do with that. Anything that's fucked up BLAME THAT SHIT ON BUSH BECAUSE HE WAS IN 8 YEARS! employment is rising but it wasn't on Obama and you can't expect him to clean up shit left behind from 8 years while he is doing 4! Get the fuck outta here!
this country was fucked when bush cheated to win. Where the fuck have you been dude? Were you under a rock or something ?Quote:
Originally Posted by hbgdon
Trish by the way that's a beautiful nipple in your avatar :Bowdown::):dancing::jerkoffQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
So who was it that started those wars with no way to pay for them, that have killed over 6,000 Americans? I put blame where it is due. And the question of why didn't Bush's republicans stop him from putting the total cost on the taxpayer, is quite valid. It's funny how the republicans knew it would put our economy in the toilet, and they let it happen anyway. But the instant the black guy takes the oval office, your beloved republicans find it convenient to blame the black guy instead of taking the blame for their own follies like real men.Quote:
Originally Posted by onmyknees
Awwww you called me PRETTY BOY. Now I realize that your personal attacks on me are because you love me. I guess my new avatar was a good idea.
As for the rest of your drivel, when you decide to be a real stand up kind of closet queen and start posting something with a peck of truth in it, I will waste a little time to respond to it. Until then, you can just keep proving me correct, even though you don't realize you are doing so. I love irony.
Oh yeah.....I don't write charts and graphs. I just post the facts. I am sorry if you don't understand them or believe the truth. Actually, I think you understand them well, and you know they are true. But your disregard for the facts is expected from a GOP troll. It just what you were born and brainwashed to do. I know you can't help yourself. If the ghost of Ronald Reagan himself came to you and told you the GOP was full of shit, you would try and blame the Libs of creating a halographic image just to fuck with you.
You are just a loser. You proved that to this entire site with your personal heartless attack on Freddie about who supports his kid. That was just plain rotten to the core. And you can't be a man and except the blame and apologize. No of course not. Republicans are just ruthless bastards and don't know the meaning of apologizing to anyone.
I'm gonna get vilified for using this word. But here it is: Obamabots.
Definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=obamabot
I think people should take note that Obama serves a system, a structure. And the vast majority of people are not in that system.
It has to do with state and corporate power. Plain power.
This is not an attack on Obama as a person. I'm sure he's a nice person. He's nice to his wife and kids and friends. Unquestionably.
But we have to SEPARATE the man from the power system that he's a part of.
If Obama was the CEO of ExxonMobil he'd be directly responsible for contributing to global warming and pollution and so forth. That's the nature of the system. Not the person. Same applies to the presidency.
Even Martin Luther King, when asked about running for President, said no. Because he'd have to compromise. Well, King was a democratic socialist. Obama isn't.
One could call Obama centrist.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=centrist
And we have to be realistic. Obama serves power. And what are the most powerful institutions in our society? You know -- ;)
And that comes into conflict with majority public opinion and the democratic will, as it were.
Noam Chomsky - The Political system in the USA. - YouTube
You are right Ben. Any president is just a link in the chain. The system he has to deal with now is half controlled by the GOP. And they have vowed to not pass anything from the dems in order to make Obama look bad and lose the election. That is their publicly stated goal. The worse shame is when the GOP took the house. That is when progress stopped. If the dems still had the house, many of the Obama jobs bills would have been enacted and millions of jobs created rebuilding bridges and our infrastructure. But he is powerless until the dems get back the house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
It used to be that the GOP in one house, and the dems in the other was a good thing. They kept each other in check. That was back when the GOP understood the meaning of compromise for the benefit of the people. But the GOP has changed since the Teabaggers moved in. They don't want to hear the word compromise. It's their way or the highway, and they have put the congress on hold. They collect their pay checks from the taxpayers, and all they do is stop every bill that can help their own constituates. That is why they will lose the house to the libs in November. Even the republican voters are starting to see what is going on, and they have been voicing their opinions of not being very happy about their party. Especially the guys they are running for the GOP ticket. None of them can beat Obama. They have no record to run on this time. All they have done is to block the dems at every turn. They are shooting themselves in the foot.
Do you surrender your autonomy by joining a political party?
http://equalityanddemocracy.org/?p=89
Do you surrender your autonomy by joining a political party?
by admin on February 8, 2012 in Uncategorized
As a citizen and a voter in our democracy, is your role to blindly follow your leader, or to use your political power (your vote) to promote and protect your values? Are your values your own, or do you let your political party define them for you?
The Washington Post published a poll today indicating “broad support for Obama’s counterterrorism policies.” According to the poll, even “the left wing of the Democratic Party” approves of drone attacks and indefinite detention at Guantanamo Bay. The article almost immediately points out the irony of this: voters chose Obama in part because he “campaigned on a pledge to close the brig at Guantanamo Bay and to change national security policies he criticized as inconsistent with U.S. law and values.”
This paragraph is worth highlighting:
“The poll shows that 53 percent of self-identified liberal Democrats — and 67 percent of moderate or conservative Democrats — support keeping Guantanamo Bay open, even though it emerged as a symbol of the post-Sept. 11 national security policies of George W. Bush, which many liberals bitterly opposed.” (emphasis added).
Moreover, “fully 77 percent of liberal Democrats endorse the use of drones,” despite many resulting civilian casualties and its questionable legality.
It’s worth comparing the data to older polls. Regarding Guantanamo, overall 70% of respondents agreed with President Obama on keeping Guantanamo open. But in June 2009, more Americans favored closing the facility than keeping it open. In 2006, only 57% of Americans supported using the Guantanamo detention center house accused terrorists. Even in 2003, support was only at 65%. Now, under the leadership of a President who campaigned with the promise to close the facility but reneged, support for the detention center may be at its highest level ever.
The Pew Research Center released a poll last year that demonstrated a similar shift of support by Democrats on the Patriot Act. In 2006 under the Republican Bush, 25% of Democrats viewed the Act as a “necessary tool” and 53% thought it went too far. Five years later under the Democrat Obama, 35% of Democrats said the Act was necessary, while only 40% thought it went too far. Republicans, on the other hand, showed less support for the Act in 2011 than they did under Bush.
This is a very limited supply of information, ACED realizes, certainly not enough to draw firm conclusions. However, the polling data suggests that a significant number of people who identify as belonging to a political party (a) change their values to conform to the policies of their party, and/or (b) change their values to oppose the leader of the other party. Either is totally inconsistent with a citizen’s role in a democracy.
If you have real values, and if you hope to have any real impact with your vote; if you don’t want be a mere automaton predictably picking red or blue over and over again without regard to policy, you have to think for yourself and stand up for your values.
UPDATE: Glenn Greenwald does a better job of covering this issue. Similarities with his post are purely coincidental.
UPDATE 2: Here is perhaps a more telling stat. In February 2009, one month after Obama took office and when it was still believed he would close Guantanamo, 64% of Democrats supported its closure.
Read your last paragraph you schmuck. Freddie's come clean, and you got your silly ass handed to you by more than a few ladies on the Danielle thread for talking shit you know absolutely nothing about....which is standard operating practice for you...From politics to SRS...you're ill informed. ( and that's being generous....) Maybe you want them to apologize too? So much for all your asinine fantasies about your "community" and wicked republicans gay hating ( BTW...are you going to post on the Rolland Martin thread? lol) . Maybe you better bow out gracefully for a few weeks and return as a mature, measured adult. Fuckin' piker. I was onto your gig way before I pegged Freddie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ineeda SM
"Hey, hey, hey__don't be mean. We don't have to be mean. 'Cause, remember: no matter where you go...there you are."
___Buckaroo Banzai
I have an opinion about something and I found some statistics to back it up.
Maybe my statistics will make you change your mind about your statistics.
I did some research, gathered data, ran various statistical analysis and came to a tentative conclusion. Maybe my calculations will....oh fuck...never mind!
Let Obama's words speak for themselves.
OBAMA'S 16 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT - YouTube
IKR:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by SFTB
Obama = Cool
Obama is 60's Jazz Album Cool
One of the coolest albums of ALL time.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger