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Good to find a kindred spirit - I had to work with some real racist republican arseholes when I worked in Texas, so I know what you mean. It's worth observing that despite the suffering in London on 7/7 and the umpteen close things we've had since, the mood in the UK today has been generally muted and reflective, certainly none of the triumphalism or scary bloodlust emanating from the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by nevada64
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Originally Posted by robertlouis
Muted and reflective are not in their vocabularies unfortunately.
Yes, makes you relieved that Cheney and Rumsfeld are well away from the levers of power on a day like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by nevada64
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
Weren't those two a lovely pair?
I'm saving mine for when that other terrorist, Thatcher, shuffles off! :shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
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Originally Posted by Jericho
I'll join you in the queue to dance on her grave, mate!
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Originally Posted by robertlouis
Lets hope she doesn't get buried at sea! :hide-1:
George Bluth Sr. found him and told Obama's people
They should bury her with Reagan...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
Oops.Quote:
Originally Posted by nevada64
Duck pal - incoming........ :hide-1::hide-1::hide-1:
I saw it coming before I wrote the words...Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
yes, maybe if we ignore militants they'll get bored and go away
I believe that was Bush's view and actions regarding Bin Laden.Quote:
Originally Posted by nonnonnon
yawn
*Sigh*...
Well, whatever it was that caused it, the stupidity has finally stopped. PhewQuote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Upon review, I could have worded it better. I could have said, "some or many Republicans hold positions that place money above their fellow man, such as in the healthcare issue. Human situations, got lost with the focus, taxes and finance." Not that two wrongs make a right, but I often hear phrases like, "Liberals think ...", without qualifying they mean, that some have that tendency, etc. People like Rush, come to mind when I hear such words. I did state in replys, in another thread, that I did not mean all Republicans, by the way. I am one of many people, who believe that the greatest issues are nation face today, are related to the predictions that Eisenhower said in his farewell speech. I posted the vid of his speech here on an HA thread, but I guess you might consider him to be a radical leftist.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ347
Any remaining spirit of a single and non-partisan vision for America died with Ike and was replaced by fear, paranoia and hate under Nixon. You could argue that it has deteriorated further ever since.Quote:
Originally Posted by yodajazz
US official: Bin Laden skull blown apart
By EILEEN SULLIVAN
Associated Press
(AP) -- A U.S. official says Osama bin Laden was shot above his left eye, blowing away part of his skull.
The precision kill shot was delivered by a member of Navy's elite SEAL Team Six during a pre-dawn raid Monday on bin Laden's hideout in Pakistan.
Photos of bin Laden's injuries were transmitted to Washington as proof that the mission was a success. The administration wasn't releasing the photos Monday.:wiggle::party:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...05-02-19-22-42
What??? Eileen Sullivan blew his head off? That's what it says lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by natina
Talking of dancing on graves, would anyone care to join me when I dance like a dervish on that of that f***ing uber-puritan bitch, Harriet Harman? For those of you who wonder why I suggest you research her attempts to push prostitution further down the road to absolute illegality in the Policing And Crime Act 2009:Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
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I think we could make quite a party of it.
Actually, I'm almost certainly just as guilty of not always qualifying my comments, so let's just agree to move on from that argument. As to Eisenhower, I'm not the type to simply write him off as a leftist who has nothing to say worth listening to, nor would I do that if you referenced someone who's opinion on an issue I was not already familiar with. I'm far from a hardline conservative, particularly on social issues. There are some issues on which I am sure we would be in 100% agreement. I believe that it is on these issues we should focus in this country rather than those which are most contentious, if only because in doing that I expect that we would be more civil when discussions of those more contentious issues came around. However, this is a thread about bin Laden's death, so I will leave enough said about anything else to another thread from here on out.Quote:
Originally Posted by yodajazz
Oh no..... he can't be dead..... that means no more "bin-liner" jokes!
Also, I think Nasa should send a manned mission to the moon and paint on it a huge "we got the fucker ha ha" so all his supporters can see it every night!!
>Paranoia because you personally didn't see it happen
No way. The key problem is that all these things happened too fast for an event of this kind. The world has never seen his body. And that’s really strange. Because the USA never respect any laws (including islamic laws) if they want manifest theirs victory to the whole world. You could be sure that the real OBL’s body should be presented for everyone observation in W-DC as the sign of USA military triumph. But this time the USA did the best to finish this story as fast as it was possible. And that’s strange.
The second evident key factor is that the body of OBL was “engraved” at the sea. USA pretend that it was made with objective to avoid the creation of the cult of this terrorist in islamic world. But the reality is much more simple. Or the coffin was empty, or the body in this coffin was not the body of OBL. And any DNA expert research could prove it in a future if the body was placed into the usual grave. That’s why the body was “engraved” at the sea. To hide the truth. Now nobody can make DNA identification in a future to prove that this person was not OBL. Because the body and the grave don’t exist anymore.
Well, there are also at least 12 key moments like this that can identify the mistification of USA in this case, but I see no reason to develop these ideas here.
>They're watching an unedited preview screening of Diarrhea Bukkake.
The liars. That’s not the first time in theirs lives and not the last one. On-line game / show specially made for USA president and for his colleagues. On-line report. That’s really stupid as the joke and as the public show.
All Those Operational Details the Obama Administration Gave About the bin Laden Raid? Maybe They Weren't Quite True.
Peter Suderman | May 3, 2011
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What a difference a day makes. Yesterday: Obama administration officials said an armed Osama bin Laden was shot and killed in a firefight while using one of his wives as a human shield. The wife, we were told, was also killed in the process.
Today: Maybe bin Laden wasn't armed. Or using the woman as a human shield. And, well, she wasn't actually his wife. Also, um, she didn't die. But aside from that...
From The New York Times:The new Defense Department narrative released by the White House, and read at a White House news briefing on Tuesday, said that one of Bin Laden’s wives was shot in the leg as she charged members of the commando team on the third floor of the compound.Let's assume, for the moment, that no bad faith was involved in the initial transmission of these unfortunate untruths, and that it was all a result of a misunderstanding, not a deliberate plan to spread a convenient story about bin Laden dying a particularly pathetic death. As anyone who's ever played a game of telephone knows, it's tough enough to get a bunch of people sitting in a room next to each other to keep a story straight; in the fog of kinetic military action, it's surely even tougher.
“In the room with Bin Laden, a woman – Bin Laden’s wife – rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed,” the brief statement said. “Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed.”
Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, read the narrative in an attempt to correct statements by administration officials who had suggested that Bin Laden was armed during the raid.
Under questioning, Mr. Carney said that the White House stood by its claim on Monday that Bin Laden had resisted capture, but said that “resistance does not require a firearm.” Mr. Carney said that the new narrative was the result of “fresh” information.
...On Monday, John O. Brennan, the top counterterrorism adviser to President Obama, said he believed that Bin Laden’s wife had been killed while trying to shield the terror leader during the 40-minute raid.
But the narrative released Tuesday by Mr. Carney suggested that the woman who died in the raid was part of another family living at the compound. The narrative says that woman was shot and killed on the first floor, not the third floor, where Bin Laden was found and killed.
But that's the point: This sort of revision should be a reminder to anyone tempted to take the official story at face value before it's been independently reported and verified. It's easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of the details reported about the raid came via the usually-talking-point-filled mouths of administration sources, not from firsthand accounts, independent reports, or documentation. All we know is what various senior officials said happened, not what actually happened. This is why it would be helpful for the administration to release documentation—images, video, audio, whatever—that can verify the official account of the raid. But so far, they're not even saying exactly how Obama and other White House officials tracked the operation's progress, only that they followed along in real time.
The administration deserves a small amount of credit for willingly issuing what amounts to an embarrassing correction—but only a small amount. If you're going to stand in front of the world as senior representatives of the United States government and confidently assert that some historic event happened in some particular way, then you'd better be certain you've got your story straight. By failing to get basic who, what, and where information right the first time around, the administration has undermined its own credibility on what ought to have been a straightforward victory and arguably made it easier for the inevitable conspiracy theories to spread. Good for them for correcting their mistakes. But they should've gotten it right the first time around.
Ben,
You haven't posted anything from "the Obama administration". Just would-be reporters, supposedly quoting unnamed sources. Now I'm not accusing anybody of lying. Just embellishing a bit. For all anybody knows, that "Whitehouse official" could easily be the official janitor. Probably not though. The Whitehouse janitorial staff have integrity.
YouTube - Press Secretary Jay Carney "He resisted but was unarmed"Quote:
Originally Posted by hippifried
When its clear that nobody can explain precisely what happened a few days ago you wonder how anyone can answer an essay question like 'Why did Germany go to war in 1914'?
The US administration, the military, the intelligence community have not co-ordinated their 'stories' if they could -it is all ripe for 'correction', 're-writing' and so on, none of which obscures the brutal truth -OBL is dead. I dont know if they decided not to arrest him whatever, if the Ak-47 and Russian pistol nearby was a genuine threat, if OBL was too tall to fit in the helicopter, etc etc. Reality is a messy business, but I do not mourn the death of OBL, or Saddam Hussein. It also removes the problem of who, in the US would try OBL -a military tribunal or criminal court? In asymmetric warfare, someone like OBL is clearly some form of accessory to the 9/11 crime, but the 'soldiers' were on the plane and are dead, and OBL, Zawahiri are not conventional 'commanders'. The overall issue, justice for the victims, remains unresolved.
All together now....
YouTube - The Wizard of Oz - Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
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Natina your postings are utterly enraging.... the same thing over and over again
WTF is up with this?
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributor.../13_Laden.html
I think they're absolutely SPAMTASTIC!Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Published on Saturday, May 7, 2011 by Guernica Magazine My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death
We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic.
by Noam Chomsky
It’s increasingly clear that the operation was a planned assassination, multiply violating elementary norms of international law. There appears to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim, as presumably could have been done by 80 commandos facing virtually no opposition—except, they claim, from his wife, who lunged towards them. In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are apprehended and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.” In April 2002, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than that it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April 2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.”
Nothing serious has been provided since. There is much talk of bin Laden’s “confession,” but that is rather like my confession that I won the Boston Marathon. He boasted of what he regarded as a great achievement.
There is also much media discussion of Washington’s anger that Pakistan didn’t turn over bin Laden, though surely elements of the military and security forces were aware of his presence in Abbottabad. Less is said about Pakistani anger that the U.S. invaded their territory to carry out a political assassination. Anti-American fervor is already very high in Pakistan, and these events are likely to exacerbate it. The decision to dump the body at sea is already, predictably, provoking both anger and skepticism in much of the Muslim world.
We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic. Uncontroversially, his crimes vastly exceed bin Laden’s, and he is not a “suspect” but uncontroversially the “decider” who gave the orders to commit the “supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole” (quoting the Nuremberg Tribunal) for which Nazi criminals were hanged: the hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, destruction of much of the country, the bitter sectarian conflict that has now spread to the rest of the region.
There’s more to say about [Cuban airline bomber Orlando] Bosch, who just died peacefully in Florida, including reference to the “Bush doctrine” that societies that harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves and should be treated accordingly. No one seemed to notice that Bush was calling for invasion and destruction of the U.S. and murder of its criminal president.
Same with the name, Operation Geronimo. The imperial mentality is so profound, throughout western society, that no one can perceive that they are glorifying bin Laden by identifying him with courageous resistance against genocidal invaders. It’s like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”
There is much more to say, but even the most obvious and elementary facts should provide us with a good deal to think about.
© 2011 Noam Chomsky
80 young and innocent Pakistani army recruits were killed today in two suicide attacks hailed by the Taliban as revenge for the assassination of Bin Laden, with promises of more to come. His killing was entirely symbolic, despite the feelings of closure many felt on hearing of his death.
The cycle continues. The man is dead but the hate lives on.
You are exactly right. The real strategy should be to fight the hate itself. Live and let live, so to speak. The real kicker to this is that fighting hate, is at the core of Christ's teachings. It just seems to be that many followers of Christ, have trouble with the one thing, he commanded us to do: Love God, neighbor, and self. In short, Love.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
I see people hating Islam, rather than holding the persons themsleves accountable, to be an accepted state among many. Some primary understanding it's messages, would teach that the Koran still gives the person the choice to choose between principles. I mean this is true with every religion/philosophy. So its not the ethinic/religious group, that should be hated. You can hate an individual's actions, but you should 'love' mankind. An easy tool, is to see as much of yourself in others. as you can.
We should consider fighting hate itself. Its the right fight, to make things right.
I think it was wrong for Al Queda to kill 80 army recruits , in revenge over Bin Laden's death. For all we, or thier killers know, their job may have been to protect Bin Laden, once they were trained. You never know. But it goes back to looking at person's actions. An operation that killed that many people would have had to be extensively planned. So a logical conclusion, is that it was planned before Bin Laden's death. They just used that as an excuse for something that was already planned. Ideas live beyond bodies. So Bin Laden's body, and ideas of war a separate things to pursue.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis