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the NWO is coming, FAST
You mean these guys?Quote:
Originally Posted by kieron
http://www.wrestlingwiththetruth.com...06/nwo-001.jpg
They may look tough, but they're total pussycats. :whistle:
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Here's how this works: You post what you think is a better citation (quote, name, link/page). You don't just whine like a little bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveinBoston
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flying...ontent=Twitter
TSA morale is being broken down with the 'enhanced' pat downs. I'm sorry TSA agents: I know you may not be enjoying this, but neither are we, and if you're not one of us, you're one of them. If you don't like your job, then quit. When nobody wants to be a TSA agent anymore, then maybe Homeland will get the message.
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i think you should be more constructive and cam with me lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
"Go w/ the nice man Jimmy , mommy and daddy will be waiting right here."
"But i don't wanna!"
"Now Jimmy do it for your country , mommy is so patriotic that she did it 3 times."
You're totally fooling yourself, dude. I ship marijuana by FedEx, UPS, USPS overnight all the time. Don't even think twice about it. The odds of my parcel being screened are infinitesimal.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveinBoston
They found those explosive ink cartridges through good intel. Passenger and cargo screening is pointless and stupid. The fact that it's constitutionally dubious, hugely expensive, and potentially hazardous is just gravy.
I'd like to see those studies showing these particular backscatter machines are not harmful. All of the imaging and radiation experts I've read feel that we simply don't know what the health effects are. But there's no doubt that x-rays are potentially hazardous to humans, and it would be nice to see some data one way or the other before DHS willy-nilly forces everybody into these things.
Has PR between the TSA and the public reached a tipping point?
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGdWZDje...om/id/40298973
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And here's a little history: Germany's "Reichstag Fire Decree". On Feb-27, 1933 the headquarters of the government of Germany was burned down under suspicious circumstances. The National Socialist response the next day:
In order to "secure" the people, you get the Reichstag Fire Decree passed:Quote:
The burning of the Reichstag was intended to be the signal for a bloody uprising and civil war. Large-scale pillaging in Berlin was planned.... It has been determined that ... throughout Germany acts of terrorism were to begin against prominent individuals, against private property, against the lives and safety of the peaceful population, and general civil war was to be unleashed....
In short: An apparent terrorist attack which burned down the country's most famous building. The assertion that the threat was so keen that basic constitutional freedoms had to be discarded. Of course, it was all bullshit. And that's how dictatorial powers were made available for Hitler in Germany.Quote:
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom, freedom of opinion, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed...
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At first I had no problem with the new scanners and the groping, but then I read this excellent article by Krauthammer and I changed my mind...it's true, we'll bend over backwards to make ridiculous searches of children and grandmothers all so we don't have to do the obvious...profile.
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_16650845
i think i said that in page one didnt iQuote:
Originally Posted by fred41
Profiling would fail. Believe me. Terrorists will recruit other races.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisaparadise
The main mistake you're making is to think you are fighting a certain people. We aren't. We are fighting an idea and ideas have no race.
This white boy is Alqaeda now
well i believe in profiling period if its makes me racist then so be it i think every plane coming from an arab country should be as well as colombia mexico venezuala and so onQuote:
Originally Posted by african1
When they speak of profiling...they aren't talking about racial profiling...with profiling, it doesn't matter what race they recruit...they'll still fit the profile.
Business Travel Coalition chairman: *
Secretary of State Hilary Clinton:Quote:
"The deployment of full-body scanners without a formal public comment process and sufficient medical and scientific vetting is one of the worst TSA abuses of authority since its creation," stated BTC Chairman Kevin Mitchell. "The overly aggressive pat-downs represent citizen-mistreatment in the extreme, especially if used as 'punishment' when passengers opt out of full-body scans," he added.
* The BTC also warned against protests on Nov-24, but whatever.Quote:
Asked if she would submit to a pat-down, Clinton replied: "Not if I could avoid it, no. I mean, who would?... I understand how difficult it is, and how offensive it must be for the people who are going through it," Clinton added. "We have to be constantly asking ourselves, 'How do we calculate the risk?' And sometimes we don't calculate it correctly," she said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/holiday...ry?id=12204725
anyone participating on Opt-out Day tomorrow? wear a kilt, the proper way :dancing:
Can't wait until the TSA eliminates the scanners, misses a nutjob with 12 ounces of C4 crammed up his ass which he then proceeds to detonate in the bathroom.
The term 'intrusive' is all relative.
Whether folks want to believe it or not, there are a couple thousand religious zealots who LIVE to figure out devious ways to make Americans burn.
TSA needs a non-anatomically correct scanner, simple.
The body scanners being deployed by TSA can't see beneath the skin, so currently, there is no screening procedure in place that will stop a nutjob with 12 ounces of C4 crammed up his ass from blowing up a plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
To repeat, the passenger and cargo screening technology currently employed by TSA cannot stop a motivated individual from smuggling contraband onto an aircraft.
There are 62 million registered motor vehicles in the United States, any one of which could kill you. In 2001, religious zealots killed 2,740 Americans. In the same year, 42,116 people were killed by traffic fatalities in the U.S., equal to a 9/11 every three weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
For me, I totally believe and accept that there are many deeply misguided individuals in the world who yearn to kill American citizens on principle. However, the chances that I'm actually going to cross paths with one of those individuals is so remote that I don't even waste time thinking about it. I'm about 10 times more likely to drown, and I don't think about that either.
I can't wait until an attacker with internal explosives walks right through these scanners, which won't catch them at all, and detonates them on a plane. An excellent case study that the time, expense, intrusion, privacy violation, and radiation is all a big fraud.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
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Originally Posted by thombergeron
Except no sane politician can make this argument to the American people, that the 'odds' are against them being blown up on an airline flight, so people there's really nothing to worry about.
Even a 5 megaton nuclear device blown up in one American city won't wipe the United States off the face of the map, and would only kill a few hundred thousand citizens, a tiny fraction of the total 300+ million population, so would you then make the argument that statistically there's nothing to be concerned about after the fact??
Arguing statistical probabilities when discussing potential terrorist attacks doesn't really play well when you try to explain to the American people how you plan to keep them 'safe' from foreign enemies.
... because of the fear harnessed, amplified, and used as a weapon by those same politicians in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
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That is indeed true for dumb people. Explains the state lottery pretty well, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Right, this is pretty much precisely my point (and Bella's): U.S. counter-terrorism policy is all about politics and security theater and has virtually nothing to do with actually protecting the health and safety of U.S. citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
And you got your math a little bit wrong. A 5 MT weapon is huge. The overpressure radius alone is about 12 kilometers. Here in the SF Bay Area, a weapon that size would instantly vaporize at least 700,000 people, and it's likely that another couple million would died of burns, radiation, and blunt force trauma over the next day or two. So that's about 1% of the U.S. population, and nobody who has a 5 MT weapon is going to fire just one at us...
you people make me laugh you think your government is out to get you meanwhile there out to save you are you people that stupid that you think everything is a conspiracy to strip you of your rights?Quote:
Originally Posted by thombergeron
'President XYZ, about that bomb that blew up half of downtown Chicago, how are you going to make sure it doesn't happen to L.A. or NYC?'
'Absolutely nothing. Statistically speaking, the odds are remotely small that it ever happens again. And even if it does, what's a few more hundred thousand dead Americans?? These friggin' Christian breeders are dropping babies like feral cats, hahahaha!!
It's an unfortunate tragedy, but the country will survive. Fear is irrational. Statistics is truth.'
Bella, if someone is AFRAID, their fear is very 'real'. It's not really your decision to decide whether someone else's 'fear' is a valid emotional/intellectual response.
Most Americans who fly have a concern that proper security measures are deployed to hopefully prevent another plane from being hijacked by a suicidal jihadist, even if those security protocols aren't fool-proof.
Do you lock the front door to your house?? Car??? Are these measures guaranteed to prevent a thief from breaking into either??
But still you do it, even though the odds are minimal that someone will break into either your house or car, because it gives you PEACE OF MIND.
You're arguing analytical/ philosophical abstracts, Bella.
FEAR is real and must always be mitigated to lower one's level of anxiety.
EDIT: You're right, thombergeron. For this example I should have said 5 kiloton, not 5 megaton.
best post ive read thus far now i fly maybe 4 or 5 times a year and i have no problem with anythink that makes my odds of getting there safe period.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Not one person: people. And not just any fear: fear capitalized upon by the police state. And it's not my decision: because I'm not alone in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
To turn the tables on your position: why should the fearful get to determine how scared the rest of should be? People as a whole should not allow themselves to be terrorized by terrorists even if there are individuals who can't help themselves. They want to say that we should respect their fear and all comply with the new rules, but what about complying with the wishes of those who say that the ends don't justify the means? Again, a terror plot has never been stopped solely by the TSA.
Yes, but have you ever seen someone install a machine that violates privacy and raises health concerns in order to get into their house or car? No, they just use their keys, and in some cases, some minor biometrics, but that's it because there are no adverse affects other than the minor inconvenience of having to fumble for keys. And as you said, a pro is going to get in no matter what. If that kind of criminal is that close to your property, it's too late. The same goes for the scanners.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
I mean, if we're going to such great lengths to stop terrorism, then why not just ban air travel all together? They used planes once, so nobody should fly, right? It's called overreaction.
What about my anxiety about government intrusion? I trust the statistics on this so much more than I do some TSA lackies who don't even know their own rules most of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
YouTube - I Screen Myself (TSA Parody) by Lynda McLaughlin
YouTube - Hillary Clinton Comments On Patdowns By TSA
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I guess Israel's enhanced security checks are irrational too, an overreaction by a police state.lol
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Originally Posted by lisaparadise
Passenger and cargo screening does not increase your odds of getting there safe. Period.
It only makes you think that your odds of getting there safe are increased.
Do you see the difference? One is real, one is not real.
I thought we were discussing TSA screening procedures in the United States. You know that TSA is a U.S. agency, right? What does Israel have to do with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Precisely, since the Israelis also possess what are arguably the best army and intelligence service in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
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what are you fuckin stupid?fuck off you idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by thombergeron
I got a friend who is like that. He is constantly talking about how the government was behind 911 and how the N.W.O is going to take over the world. He occassionally sprouts off about the return of Jesus and whatnot.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisaparadise
People protest when the gov't does nothing, then when the gov't does something. People protest because they do not like what the gov't implemented.
24 pages of stupidity unfuckingbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by bte
I agree. Why don't the TSA just implement profiling. I am not talking about racial profiling, because Muslims can be white, middle eastern, black, asian, or whatever. But don't pat down a kid or a senior simply because they are the 10th person in the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisaparadise
i agree trust me i was in line at pearson coming home from florida and there was 3 black guys infront of me and 3 cololombians behind me and im the one who had to get searched in the back room you could here me yelling swear words from me for miles i was absolutly discustedQuote:
Originally Posted by bte
The government is behind 9/11, the NWO is coming (EU, AU, soon-to-be NAU, etc). There's evidence to show for each of these allegations. There is, however, no evidence of the second coming of Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by bte
And sometimes the government takes advantage of that line of thinking and doesn't even bother to think things through. Why should they, ya know? People are going to complain regardless, right? So why bother trying?Quote:
Originally Posted by bte
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There's no evidence the U.S. gov't was behind 911 except in kooksville.
Really? You've always seen 110 story buildings fall straight down as a result of a crash above the 80th floors? No evidence? The video of the controlled demolition is just the tip of the iceberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
Did you know that Silverstein actually authorized the demolition of WTC7? How could he have done that unless it was already set up for such an event?
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Bella,
I am a firefighter. I watched the 2nd plane crash into the building live. I had just gotten off shift. Honest to God, my concern after watching the building burn for as long as it did was the risk of collapse.
What I didn't know then, but do know now from watching and reading about the construction was that it was built in a system called truss construction.
Truss construction is popular for several reasons. It's used in a lot of warehouses. Truss construction is strong and allows less material to be used to make it lighter. The major problem with truss construction is that when one truss goes, you will almost 100% of the time, have a complete and utter failure of all the supports. Which is what you saw with the towers.
Steel begins to fail at 1200 degrees F. Its not that it's melting but that means it will twist and contort very quickly at 1200 degrees. With that in mind, the load (weight) of the building wouldnt take long to collapse. An average house fire will reach 1100 degree F in about 3 1/2 minutes.
There was a fire in 1999 in Worcester that killed 6 Firefighers. They said that the temperature in the cold storage warehouse reached 3000 degrees and there was very little material to burn there.
So, how hot do you think it was with a plane full of jet fuel exploding into both towers?
It wasnt a controlled demolition. That's what the conspiracy theorists want you to believe. They try to point out little things that would lend to their crazy ideas.
I cant speak about #7....
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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci