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I'm so curious as to where on the shore you're from? I live Down here too. I'm in Ocean County. I know you don't want to reveal to the world exactly where you are, but it would be cool to know that you're in my area. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alyssa87
Ok then it might not be the same as "living home with mom or a girl stuffing her bra". Although going with the thought of being open an honest...........when you meet a women do you inform her that you sometimes get the urge to have a shemale penis is your mouth? For a lot of women this might be a deal breaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surkis
Nope not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by needsum
i think he was talking to me mama..Quote:
Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
(you are beatuiful in your avatar.
as real as u look i can see where
you wouldnt want to tell every guy!!)
i live in monmouth beach.
I just had to laugh at this...good 1 JulieQuote:
Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
Again you're comparing things that aren't really comparable. Sexual fantasies and having the opposite gender's plumbing are 2 very different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
Maybe 1 date is fine, but if you plan on getting any kind of serious with the person, it would be unfair and selfish to lead them on. If I went out with a chick and she found out I had one ball, what's that gonna do? Are there any groups out there forcing the issue that people with 1 ball deserves rights too? Or what about my sexual fantasies? They are just that, fantasies. I can keep them in my head forever if I wish, but if a guy is looking at you, chances are the last thing that's on their mind is "I bet she's packing a johnson way bigger then mine! Hell yeah!"
I mean some women have been beaten up or even killed over things like this, so i'm sorry but even though its not a big issue to you, it still is to other people. If you want to be accepted for who you are then you have to start by accepting that some people are who they are, and I gotta say there are a ton of guys out there who don't want to have anything to do with some other dude's junk, even if its attatched to a gorgeous woman.
So again, maybe she wasn't trying to out you, maybe she was just looking out for her friend, or maybe it just came up in casual conversation. You shouldn't have taken it so personally. She only told him what he eventually WILL find out later on if you had planned to spend any length of time with him, unless you were just flat out never going to have sex with him.
Again if you want we can just agree to disagree than that's perfectly allright, but your inaccurate comparisons are not going to get us anywhere.
Just read all 21 pages; I think everyone has told their truths. I think this thread has explained why I have never had a relationship of any kind, professional or personal, with a T girl, other than a lucky happenstance one night stand in college. Many friends but no relationships. The girls who are working so hard at transition seem, to want guys to have very little to no interest in their plumbing. A lot of the girls find regular employment either difficult to obtain or insufficient to support them and the costs of their transition.
This seems to mean many, turn to escorting to pay the bills and that would just seem to open her up to some of the worst guys out there. Also it seems that the majority of this activity would focus on a part that she, in many cases, is looking to get rid of. I would imagine that would have a strong impact on one's opinion of men who are attracted to girls in the midst of transition.
Isn't it fundamentaly A LIE for a guy to be in a relationship of any kind, where one of the things that attracts him to her is something she wants to change? So for someone that wants to be honest, truthful, and open in a long term relationship, but wants her to keep her stuff, I must keep away until I find that special girl. So basically, I've given up, but at least I know I have not injured another or myself along the way.
It also does seem a little myopic to think that a man who would choose a pre-op t-girl over a gg is straight. He may not be gay, bi, etc. but he is at least curious in some respect. 100% straight men don't want anything to do with a penis. After SRS I get it but not b4.
Sorry if any of this seems ignorant or foolish, they are just my thoughts.
Nice post, Heiz, but regarding your last paragraph i've actually said my thoughts on that in a different topic. I think you can be straight and still like TG's, but i definatly don't want to bring that debate here. I posted it in the "is TG porn a gateway to Gay Porn" topic, or something to that effect.
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Originally Posted by Alyssa87
OK now I got ya, sometimes it takes me a minute to catch on, lol. So the rules in the mind of the delusional are...............................its ok for you to fantasize about have a penis in your mouth just as long as you dont actually do it? Its also ok to be on a shemale board posting about such things just as long as you keep it "a fantasy"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Surkis
I have news for you, in some peoples mind you might be considered bisexual and this might be a deal breaker to a potential partner. Most potential partners would want to know if you sit at home and stroke your Johnson thinking about another one deep in your mouth, whether you have done it or not.
This is ok to keep from a mate????.....Although I should expose my deep personal issues by the "first date".
So what happened with him? Did he decide he never wanted to talk with you again? Or did he decide your being a transexual was ok and he wants to remain just friends? Or are you dating?
Lol, yes, that question was directed toward Alyssa87. Monmouth Beach, huh? Thats a pretty nice area. You ever venture over to Sandy Hook and hit up Gunnison beach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alyssa87
HELL NO. those guys look gross.
I think they should be told before they start to have feelings for you. This can be hard to judge and vary from man to man. You talked about putting yourself in a dangerous situation, but doing what you said in a earlier post "Cake in your hand" is a lot more dangerous. Emotions are a crazy thing, you mix them with news like that later on in the relationship, you have more of a chance of being in danger.
Disregard this post, sorry for the double post.
Please disregard my last post. For some reason the website is acting horrendously shitty right now and I can't even topics anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
Anyways, this is what i ment to post. Its slightly different from my last one. As soon as the site stops shitting up i'll delete my other post.
Uh, no that's not what i'm saying at all. You're completely missing my point, you're twisting my words, and now you're trying to sling insults at me.
Fact is that now you're trying to compare what is going on in the mind to what is going on in reality.
I mean my fantasies are no one else's business, just like everyone else's, because they don't impact anything. HOWEVER looking like a woman and having a dick DOES impact things because i'm sorry, but its false advertizing. At some point the relationship is going to lead to sex and when it does, there are going to be some suprised faces, and in somecase bloodshed or possibly even a fatality.
I mean if you want to keep attacking me for liking what I like, go ahead, that just kind of proves that you have no idea what you're talking about because you seem to be more interested in making fun of the guys who like women like you, which to me is counterproductive when you're trying to date a guy like that to begin with.
I hope you find a decent guy whom you don't have to lie to for the first couple of months in order to get him to like you, I really do.
Now again, we can agree to disagree, or you can keep up with your poorly thought out analogies, in which case you'd probably win at some point because I'm not a big fan of people who argue like children who would rather demean you than accept that you have a different viewpoint than them.
Puts my hand up in the back row....
Please don't dump us gg's all in the same group.My current flatmate/lover is tg and I adore her.When we first met I had been told she was but she also told me before our first kiss.to be honest it was one of my fantasies to have sex with a tgirl...she is still intact......and I've loved every minute with her and have a few gf's who would love to be in my postion and have told me so.
What does that make me,straight? lesbian? bi most probably..happy...oh yeahhh.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Janine
WOW THIS HAPPENS
ITS ALL PART OF BEING A TS
I wonder what you expected to happen
old thread but a great story
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Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
Thanks for digging up a post from almost five years ago. Ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by natina
Even women don't understand women, LOL.
None of this suprises me, women are catty evil bitches. They even do it to eachother!! Its something about that bleeding wound between there legs , it is the epicenter of the evil.
Phew - I guess you don't really care for genetic girls then, EyeCumInPiece. That's one of the most hateful postings I've seen in a while.
who do you expect to find at clubs? it's mostly trash.
if you want to meet nice intelligent people, go to theatre, plays, art galleries, business expos.
why are you so surprised when you meet trash at trashy places? do you expect to find professors at these clubs?
Are bad women and good women and bad ts,s and good ts,s aswell.
Wow, that's 5 years old already, wonder whatever happened...Quote:
Originally Posted by natina
Why choose between GG or TS? Include both and double your fun. Your chances too.
I'm totally with you on that, Dino. And anyways, for what difference there is if you want to consider any, it's not worth making any fuss...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
maybe he's looking for an extra edge with the hungangels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
personally, it might be a matter of genitaliaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
btw: one page one (i believe it was) kelly shore said "she should have been more concerned about your safety" rather than divulging to that straight guy that the OP was a tranny.
i'm thinking she actually was. wouldn't it be worse if the guy found out if things progressed further and he (maybe) hinted he didn't want to do anal on a first night?
Have 2 women nag you instead of one? sounds like a good dealQuote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
Worst case scenario there's still 2 places to put your wiener. Most GGs I know board up one of 'em anyway. Apples and Funholes.Quote:
Originally Posted by danthepoetman
i have seen "real" girls with vaginas who had nasty mustaches and one even had a beard (not joking). some of them act like men. it's disgusting. then i have seen transgirls who are incredibly feminine and define what it is to be female - submissive, sexy, soft, gentle, all dolled-up (when i look at new york city women, they mostly - 51% or more - dress like men, in hoodies and jeans instead of tight skirts, dresses, heels, etc.), and no beard or mustache.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYTSJulie
a man uses and enjoys a girl's vagina or penis (on a tgirl) for a short time. rest of the time, he is dealing with her directly. is she a girl? is she feminine? does she know how to treat a man? etc. etc. the vagina isn't doing that, she is.
quick story about what a girl should be like imo: i once went on a date with a gg who refused to let me hold the door for her amongst other things. she would not allow me to take a dominant role. i remember asking her (that's right, ASKING, not simply doing it, because i understood i am not allowed to be a male in pro-feminist american society. it is wrong to dominate and show the traditional male side) if i can drop her off at the tram that goes to roosevelt island i think. it was 10 pm at night in the summer. crime rises in the summer. we were near the apple store on 5th avenue. she said she will walk home alone. i understand everyone is different but these things were shocking. any one of these behaviors to me is a huge turn-off. in all cultures, it is feminine and girl-like to let the man take care of you. maybe she had a feminist complex or some other idea about what a girl should be like. i would not define her as a "real girl" by any means.
Interesting read, even if it is almost 5 years old. Anyone know what happened to TS Julie, she hasn't posted in over a year.
My own 2 cents on when to tell, well in college a guy friend suddenly came onto me, our friendship tanked. I wasn't the most successful with women at the time (a bit nerdy) and it felt threatening and I couldn't be gay. In my 50's I've seen gg escorts and have gg girlfriends. I was into TS porn a bit, but was getting curious, but afraid how I would react badly seeing, touching, sucking, and being topped by a T girl. It turned out I really loved it, but what if???
I think a T girl needs to be careful with a str8 guy in initial dating, but there is no need to tell until intimacy will be occurring. But kissing before knowing could be bad, and he could freak out. Most guys would need to think this a bit before deciding.
Most relationships are based on both intimacy and friendships and go far beyond sex. Its a challenge for anybody, being TG probably makes it harder as there is a smaller band between the start of acceptance and being a chaser.
As to the GG having bigger issue with TS, I see it. GG's seem OK with Lesbian as it is not competition, but competition for guys they want can drive them crazy.
A lot of people (on both sides) have made good points in this thread. This has been a really interesting read. Julie and Kelly were getting a bit too defensive, though. Sure, we guys don't know what it's like to live your life. I will concede that fact every time. However, we are men, and we know how men think. Therefore, you shouldn't discount a guys input because it's something you don't want to hear. I tell GGs the same thing...if anything, you should listen to a guy's advice more than a girl.
Sure, there is no one-size-fits-all solution. However, a basic protocol I would suggest would be the following: Tell him in the first or second phone conversation. This is assuming that you met the guy out at a club, bar, sidewalk, grocery store, etc., and exchanged numbers. Don't tell him immediately upon meeting him at the venue, because you subject yourself to danger if he is an insecure dude with his friends around. Also, you don't want to wait until dates wherein he has spent money on you and/or gotten physical with you, because you come off as being deceptive and manipulative (even if that was not your intention). However, one of those initial phone conversations can be the perfect time. I'm not telling you to pick up the phone and say, "I'm trans." Build rapport, and talk to him. However, you should have a way to tell him at the end of a phone call or two, IMO.
Now, I totally understand that it is easier said than done. I hate having to tell people news, about which they might have a negative reaction. Therefore, I can empathize. However, like some others have said, there are tgirls who get seriously hurt and/or killed over shit like this, and just handling it in a smart way can help prevent the worst from happening.
My personal experience, is that no gender, race, religion, nationality, social background, ethnicity,....etc have a monopoly on hatred and bigotry.
Some men are supportive, other are full of hatred, some women are supportive, some women are jealous and full of hatred.
I've had GG friend that been nothing but accepting and supportive, an there when I needed someone to speak with.
I would 90% agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by nycguy1
GG: specially if you are in a city like NYC, it is competitive, people are career oriented, and if you are a girly girl, many people will not take you seriously.
Trans girl: sometime we tend to over compensate what we were denied during our childhood (been feminine).
A trans girl can be walking down the street, hear someone say: that is a man. And she will question everything about herself. Does this dress make me less or more feminine, is it my haircut than made me look like a man? If I have this hairstyle, would I look more passable?
Many times a GG can go out of the shower, have her hair wet, wear her BF suite and tie and still look like a woman, you can not always say the same about all ts women, so sometimes we need to go the extra mile.
This said I don't 100% agree, the trans community does have a lot of diversity, you have ts women that wear jeans and hoodies, that are androgynous or even butch.
very well stated.who ever gave this post a thumbs down is an assholeQuote:
Originally Posted by nina_lisa
So you are surprised that women are acting bitchy?
Really? Really? What are you going to tell me next? That water is wet, fire is hot and wind blows?
Really?
Ok stand back while i blow you fucking mind.
Women have one thing and one thing going for them. That they are cute/hot. Once they stop being cute/hot well let me put it this way...I can't see personality from across the fucking bar. So every hour of every day women get older and another very cute very young very supple girl turns 21 and walks into the club and the older girls get older and have one more woman to compete with.
We men on the other hand? Well every hour of every day I'm worth more, i'm more mature and oh yeah better looking. Young punks coming into the club jacked and fist bumping may do ok but in the long run it's the 6 figure nigger aka me who takes the girl home.
To sum it up, woman age like french bread and well we men age like fine wine.
So as you TS girls become "ladies" you just have to understand that you just become another vagina in the pool and well your best friend now has to worry about you stealing that prized man she had her heart on. And adding insult to injury? Well.....let's be honest you didn't start off as a woman now did you? They feel you have cheated and are cheating them out of a chance with that "perfect man".
Get use to it. It's life.