^^~agree~Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHy3ZhY9VKs
Printable View
^^~agree~Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHy3ZhY9VKs
actually, lion cubs do "bully" one another, except they do so as fighting which prepares them for fighting over prides when they grow older (check video below).Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
unfortunately, lions haven't developed a language to use language to call one another names, but a lion cubs roar to a fellow cub can carry the necessary interpretation
i disagree with this statement particularly (but also the others you made).Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
most bullies i knew bullied because power is intoxicating. to control another human being, means that that individual looks up to you- and who doesn't love when others agree with them? after all, what are most individuals here trying to do when arguing back and forth, than getting the other party to agree with them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nut1HkNCEDI
It is interesting that the people that should know better are actively advocating for a miserable childhood for the pink pony loving kid.
The "My Little Pony" toys/backpack in a vacuum are neither good or bad. The problem is that the kid does not live in a vacuum.
Once again whether it is fair or not the kid will be picked on for bringing his "poofy" backpack to school. Even if you attempt to punish the other children who make fun of him, he is still going to be picked upon. Why I am unhappy with the Mother's parenting abilities because a good part of being a part in protecting children from their bad choices.
If adults want to make bad choices that is fine they are adults. For example an adult eats until they look like a sow, then that is that adult's own problem. On the other hand if your kid is doing that you as a parent have an obligation to attempt to do something about it.
I know it is tempting to say isn't it cute that the kid in questions likes ponies, but the world is not going to change for this one kid (as unfair as that may be).
Nobody lives in a vacuum, including the bully and a whole host of different flavored assholes. You act violently, you either receive violence in kind or some other just punishment. The kid still gets to play with his pony and you get to rot in a small un-fun box.
You speak against a kid's right to play with pink toys, you're denying a kid his freedom. That flies in the face of an American's right to pursue happiness. I'd have a broken bottle fight on sight with anyone I knew who spoke out against American freedom and the happiness it brings.
And another thing... nobody gives a fuck what some kid does. You'd like to think so, but you'd be projecting. (Pro-Tip: Kids in general love MLP) Every once in a great while some foul shit happens somewhere out there in this great big land of ours, but that's exactly why it makes the news. It's a freakin' anomaly. Fuck off already.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
You can find Pony shit right next to the Cannibal Corpse CDs down at your local HotTopic, the only folks who turn a nose up to MLP these days are small handful of dumb-fucks who are out of the loop and full grown adults who have better things to do with there time than spare a single thought on the latest flavor of plastic garbage you can buy down at the mall.
Your little theory is nothing more than self righteous, paranoid, underdeveloped garbage at best.
I realize that you are from BFN, but you know what they stock at "HotTopic," really??Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
What the clip shows is one pride defending its kill and territory. It doesn’t show cubs bullying. Cubs roughhouse and play. BTW, lion cubs don’t ROAR, they mew, lol.Quote:
actually, lion cubs do "bully" one another, except they do so as fighting which prepares them for fighting over prides when they grow older (check video below).
unfortunately, lions haven't developed a language to use language to call one another names, but a lion cubs roar to a fellow cub can carry the necessary interpretation
Lion Cub Gives Us His Best Roar - YouTube
Among humans bullying may be common, but it’s not normal. It’s the result of deep seated insecurities. It’s a bid for the approval of the audience. (Group approval is power, btw). A bully is much more likely to act out his or her insecurities when their is an audience. The contrapositive of this is that an audience that is not amused can suppress this acting out without even lifting a finger.
But enough with the motivations of the bully. The issue most in dispute here is the action of the 1) victim, 2) his mother and 3) the school. Let’s take them in reverse order.
The world is not fair. We all know that. But we pay schools, not only to teach, but to implement fair policies. For the school, the issue is, “What is a just reaction to this incident of bullying?” Your answer: Suppress the boy’s freedom of self-expression. Forbid him from bringing his favorite lunchbox, backpack, pencil box, whatever to school. It’s not like pink ponies are violent, pornographic, gore or hazardous. We don’t allow all manner of self-expression, but with reason. That’s why we shouldn’t allow violence against or harassment of other students. There's no reason to ban pink ponies. Your further recommendation for the school: Don’t bother counseling the bully, just let his insecurities deepen.
What should the mother do? Of course she knows a pink pony logo on a lunchbox, a jacket etc. might call attention of an unwanted sort. She’s at least as smart as mildcigar_2001. Everybody on the planet is. It’s not a matter of being smart enough to avoid drawing the attention of bullies. It’s a matter of weighing her child’s right to innocent self-expression against the likelihood of and the dangers of being bullies and hassled (which believe it or not, in some school environments, is not all that likely). It’s a cost/benefit analysis. Being bullied is not the worse thing that can happen to a child. In some cases it maybe be less harmful than letting the child be him- or herself. Sometimes, there are no good or bad choices, just choices with different consequences.
What should the kid do? Be himself, of course. That’s the only thing he can do.
There are a few here that keep bringing up lions, tigers and bears. Oh my! Nature, red in tooth and claw. With little doubt the victimized child will survive and I bet he grows to have a strong and interesting personality. If you insist on getting Darwinian-Nietschean about it, “That which does not destroy me makes me stronger.” What about the bully? If he doesn’t get help or grow out his insecurities on his own the bully will grow more and more miserable with himself. He’s a loser. He needs help. At some point in their adult lives the kids in the crowd who degraded themselves by egging the bully on will blush with shame at the memory. Some might even remember it differently to their future friends, “I remember there was a guy bullying a kid, and I stepped in and stopped it.”
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesoul
My last post with corrections:
What the clip shows is one pride defending its kill and territory. It doesn’t show cubs bullying. Cubs roughhouse and play. BTW, lion cubs don’t ROAR, they mew, lol.
Lion Cub Gives Us His Best Roar - YouTube
Among humans bullying may be common, but it’s not normal. It’s the result of deep seated insecurities. It’s a bid for the approval of the audience. (Group approval is power, btw). A bully is much more likely to act out his or her insecurities when there is an audience. The contrapositive of this is that an audience that is not amused can suppress this acting out without even lifting a finger.
But enough with the motivations of the bully. The issue most in dispute here is the action of the 1) victim, 2) his mother and 3) the school. Let’s take them in reverse order.
The world is not fair. We all know that. But we pay schools, not only to teach, but to implement fair policies. For the school, the issue is, “What is a just reaction to this incident of bullying?” Your answer: Suppress the boy’s freedom of self-expression. Forbid him from bringing his favorite lunchbox, backpack, pencil box, whatever to school.
It’s not like pink ponies are violent, pornographic, gore or hazardous. We don’t allow all manner of self-expression, but with reason. That’s why we shouldn’t allow violence against or harassment of other students. There's no reason to ban pink ponies.
Your further recommendation for the school: Don’t bother counseling the bully, just let his insecurities deepen.
What should the mother do? Of course she knows a pink pony logo on a lunchbox, a jacket etc. might call attention of an unwanted sort. She’s at least as smart as mildcigar_2001. Everybody on the planet is. It’s not a matter of being smart enough to avoid drawing the attention of bullies. It’s a matter of weighing her child’s right to innocent self-expression against the likelihood of and the dangers of being bullies and hassled (which believe it or not, in some school environments, is not all that likely). It’s a cost/benefit analysis. Being bullied is not the worse thing that can happen to a child. In some cases it maybe be less harmful than not letting the child be him- or herself. Sometimes, there are no good or bad choices, just choices with different consequences.
What should the kid do? Be himself, of course. That’s the only thing he can do.
There are a few here that keep bringing up lions, tigers and bears. Oh my! Nature, red in tooth and claw. With little doubt the victimized child will survive and I bet he grows to have a strong and interesting personality. If you insist on getting Darwinian-Nietschean about it, “That which does not destroy me makes me stronger.” What about the bully? If he doesn’t get help or grow out his insecurities on his own the bully will grow more and more miserable with himself. He’s a loser. He needs help. At some point in their adult lives the kids in the crowd who degraded themselves by egging the bully on will blush with shame at the memory. Some might even remember it differently to their future friends, “I remember there was a guy bullying a kid, and I stepped in and stopped it.”
again, i disagree. just become it comes from a young cub doesn't mean it's not a roar. it's like saying "a child doesn't cry it wails" just because it doesn't sound like a grown up cryingQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
the cubs vocal cords haven't developed like it's parent so it's roar sounds different. humans have also chosen to interrupt the sound based on how they hear it i.e. it sounds cute so it's a pur. it sounds mean so it's a roar.
also, you said the clip shows a pride defending it's kill and territory. what do you think the defeated (and former pride leader) considers it's attacker if not a bully? do you think it thinks that was just a friend that came into it's family territory, killed it's children and ripped off it's balls? isn't that (literally) the defintion of a bully?
and like i said earlier, i think bullying is normal. it's just a part of social interaction. so it's difficult to address your other points when i disagree with the main crux
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vynkoOlhyNU