Oh dear - another neanderthal in our midst.
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Oh dear - another neanderthal in our midst.
I'm not defending slavery....Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Once again, I'm giving the reason of why the south did not abolish slavery voluntarily, Although they might have done it peacefully eventually. They did however finally admit after military defeat, and had to do it for re-admittance into the union later.
As harsh as it sounds , to most slaveowners(there were noble souls that helped with the underground railroad, or emancipated their own slaves because they knew it was morally wrong, or kept slaves in "better" conditions compared to other slave owners) back then, a slave was an Investment, property , machine and not a person to be treated equally as they would treat a white person.
Laugh all you want Trish, but it was very serious to them. If you think I'm defending them, no. I'm simply stating that people, back then as well as today (hence why i brought up the car comparison to guns, not slavery) do not like the government taking/confiscating property(yes, slaves were property) no matter how immoral it might seem to someone else. Robert Louis suggested that my adherence to gun ownership rights was similar to the Southerners defending slavery.
sorry for the confusion.
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Originally Posted by my my my!
What a jerk. What a ludicrous position to take - as if possession of weapons made only to kill is a god given right.
Originally Posted by robertlouisQuote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
You're a moron.
150 years ago the South used the same argument to justify slavery.
fuck off asshole.
The right to own weapons for self defense and target shooting, and subjugating an entire race for financial gain are two totally different things.
Either contribute something constructive or get the fuck out of this conversation.
Aww, you did not like what I said.
First off, fuck off. Second, I don't want or need your sympathy. A classless asshole like you , is better left out of my thought process. But for the time being, here you go,
Your Insults are ok. For me It's about rights. I called you out on it. It's ok with you , if they take away a right we have because you don't agree with it. That's fine, I'm ok with it.
I'll never use my firearms on people , unless they come in Illegally into my home, and yes, this would include law enforcement and government "enforcing" a "law" that directly violates the guidelines in a constitutional amendment. My use of firearms is in a controlled environment with people that know how to handle firearms. I am truly saddened by what happened to the children in Newtown, but that does not all of the sudden make me incapable of handling firearms.
If the government thinks I deal in narcotics (I don't), by all means they are entitled to get a search warrant and knock down my door and come in ready to pull the trigger and fill me full of lead.
I am not a little kid *anonymous whiner and whatever else you wrote*, and I stand by my principles. Although I sincerely hope it never happens. We all gotta pay the piper sometime , and we all pay in different ways.
I'll tell you this though hippifred, I'm ok with you getting shot up in your house. It's your choice to not own weapons and have a chance at defending yourself. And I would not mourn you for being a fool. And It's your choice to feel however you want about me.
My My My - never noticed your posts before, presumably because they were about the main thing people are here for. Please desist from using such immediately and gratuitously offensive language in what is supposedly a reasonable argument. Otherwise your posts will be removed.
I just "love" you all going on about guns. The argument for keeping them is not about self-defence against the robber or the state, but it's all about the sheer hard-on of owning a gun.
The strange thing is that usually "bigger guns" like "bigger autos" mean small dicks; but with guys let My My My, then "bigger guns" mean "bigger dicks".
Yeah, clearly...you're just defending the slave owner's right to fair compensation for the freeing of his slaves. What hole did you say you crawled out of?Quote:
I'm not defending slavery...
That's a hell of a way to talk about his mother:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
smh...Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I'm not defending their right to compensation ,I'm quite glad Uncle Sam told them to f off basically,
What I'm saying is that a human with property gets pissed off when someone suggests forcing them to relinquish said property. If you don't understand losing something really expensive at the whim of a government entitiy, then you don't understand the reference. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's the way it was back then.
Slavery= bad, period.
Government taking/confiscating/separating LEGALLY purchased property from citizens= pissed off citizens. Yes slaves were property, sadly.
pissed off citizens= rebellion, riots, lawsuits , violence, bitterness
I'm not getting why you don't understand such a simple concept. :confused:
Ownership of Semi-automatic weapons = bad, reckless, and dangerous (to the community), period.
Goverment taking/confiscating/separating generally life threatening, high risk devices from owners (regardless of how it was acquired) = the right thing to do.
It was wrong to own slaves. It is wrong for private citizens to endanger the public by secretly carrying semi-automatic weapons. Yes, it was "legal" to own a slave. But no one EVER had a right to own a slave. No matter what was written on a sheet of paper. No individual has a right to own a nuclear warhead. No one has a right to own a semi-automatic weapon, let alone slink around in public carrying it secretly. As you say, I'll be glad if Uncle Sam tells them to fuck off.
I'm not getting why you don't understand such a simple and decent concept.
But go ahead, secede, rebel, revolt. See how many people want to give up all their other constitutional guarantees for the sake of one that should have been repealed ages ago.
hippifried is going to get shot up in his house?Quote:
I'll tell you this though hippifred, I'm ok with you getting shot up in your house. It's your choice to not own weapons and have a chance at defending yourself. And I would not mourn you for being a fool. And It's your choice to feel however you want about me.
Several things come to mind. First, I didn't know hippi owned a house. I figured his countercultural persona would have sort of steered him away from the mass hysteria of the housing market of the last several decades.
Second, are we sure that hippi doesn't have some mean old doberman waiting for any invader? Seems more like his style than some semi-automatic small penis compensating weapon.
Finally, unlike the author, I would mourn hippi's demise. Although, I bet he'd have a helluva wake. Hope I'm invited.