It is indeed strange then that all the victims of this barbaric practice seem to be all young Muslim girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
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It is indeed strange then that all the victims of this barbaric practice seem to be all young Muslim girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Strange too that the vast majority of Muslim women are never subjected to the practice. There are Christians, who on religious principle, refuse to let doctors give their children medical care, blood transfusions etc., even when their children's lives are on the line. Should we therefore condemn Christianity?
Moreover, the practice of female circumcision predates Christianity and therefore Islam by at least 4.5 centuries, demonstrating that not all victims' families subscribed Islam.
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Originally Posted by trish
The only thing you seem to prove is how dangerous a very little knowledge can be. Well done.
It does show that not all practitioners of female circumcision were Islamic and not all Muslims were practitioners of female circumcision. What's dangerous is to make assumptions about all practitioners of a religion, judge them as if those assumptions were true when in fact they are not, and then encourage others to make the same unfounded judgements.
It is also rife in many parts of Africa in tribal areas where it has existed since time immemorial, and certainly predates the arrival of Islam. Indeed, the practice is present in many areas where Islam has never taken hold. Regardless of its origins, it is a hideous and entirely unnecessary practice which is condemned by all sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
You appear to have a pretty fixed and narrow agenda which allows you to continue to proclaim lies and disproved allegations despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Racist or cretin? your choice.
The paralells/opposites between the Cece McDonald and George Zimmerman cases are amazing. Black victim, no police record, vs White victim with a history of violence, and a swatiska tatto. White killer, presumed innocent, and not charged, Black killer immediately jailed, and held for a year without trial. Zimmerman raises 200k, Black unable to post bond. The list goes on, and is quite extensive, in my view.
Thanks Robertlous, Trish and Stavros. But scientific evidence, facts etc seem scarcely to matter when the agenda is breeding race or cultural hate (i guess it is wrong to call the poison being spread about islam racism - hence my ref to cultural hate). If he's not yet been banned I suspect Mlid Cigar will now respond with some equally baleful questions about the veiling of women under islam.
Let me pre-empt that one. It is NOT demanded in the Koran - where the practice is encouraged for the wife of the prophet because of the numbers of strangers visiting his house. But it was also a common practice through the region well before the establishment of slam among Christian women and other faiths. Today adherents of the Wahabi and Salafi threads in islam do, indeed, demand it for women. But many other Muslims view this extreme and fundamentalist form of the faith to be aberrant. And it is also interesting that many Muslim women choose to adopt the veil where it is NOT at all demanded by their local communities in the UK for instance. i have met and talk with young Muslim women who adopt the veil out of a sense of resistance to the growing prejudice against their religion.) For them it is a feminist position!
So Mild Cigar why aren't you bleating about how Ultra orthodox Hassidic Jews demand that their women shave their heads and wear wigs.
As to clitorectomy - as Robert Louis correctly points out.
1. it is a disgusting practice
2. It was widespread well before islam was born.
And as Giovanni says - it is a cultural not a religious practice.
Finally let me remind you that I am not a Muslim nor an advocate of it. But am 100 per cent against the sort of hate and prejudice directed at it. As I am against directed at jews, Christians, Hindus, Mormons et et - while feeling we all have a right to dicsuss and debate and decry elements of any of these faiths when they seek to challenge or impact upon the generally accepted norms of our civilisational values. Hence my dislike of the anti-abortionists (and disgust when they turn to murder, bombings etc) my hatred and disgust for the murderous strands of Islam manifested by al Queda and the Taliban etc etc of widow burning and the caste system under Hinduism etc etc
I find many of the notions and ideas to which even non-radical believers adhere to be wrong-headed. But for millions it is and has been a great source of solace and an important force for social cohesiveness. In societies where the governments are corrupt or inept Mosques have and do offer great and important sources of social help to parts of the community. And Islam's historic contribution to world civilisation massively outweighs those elements which presently run counter to Western enlightenment values.
How do you feel about the Welsh?
Duh... don't much lke Tom Jones old records but he is okay now he is singing the blues. love Dylan Thomas and Richard Burton and Cerys matthews. And all those castles.
And one of my favourite songs is about the old mining valleys.
Help me Rhondda.