WoodNutSac "All TS's are Men in it for Attention"

There are plenty of Ts with ts etc and still see themselves as gay men and only have such surgeries for their jobs....so is a consumer supposed to differentiate there tooo?

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Originally Posted by seanchai

You were a yes-girl ... we were the ones who said, hmm thanks but NO!!!

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Are you fucking serious? When, in the entire history of my time in this scene, have I ever been a yes-girl? Do you really expect people here to believe that?! :?

I've been an activist since age 12. My attitude has always been, 'be yourself and come what may.' You're twisting this on purpose. FAIL.

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Originally Posted by KellyShore

There are plenty of Ts with ts etc and still see themselves as gay men and only have such surgeries for their jobs....so is a consumer supposed to differentiate there tooo?

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No, it's up to producers to do that, to portray and market people in the correct light. Those 'girls' who have surgery just to be in porn are not girls and you know it. Just look at all the Brazilians who de-transition. 'Hey look, I'm a girl.' Then, 'hey look, I'm a boy!'

Hey look, I'm a lamp post. Stop playing devil's advocate.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

That would be their convenient excuse, but actually they invited me to shoot, promised to help me get into the business, dropped the ball on it, played with my shoot release date because I wanted to self-promote, used the WORST photos in the sets (that never should be been released, let alone showcased) to market me (effectively slowing my career), patronized me until he couldn't anymore at which time he decided to publicly argue with me about it instead of talking to me one-on-one. This is to say nothing of the Mean Girls' 'Plastics' attitude that is encouraged among they're people. They truly think their shit doesn't stink.

From there I decided I would scrutinize Grooby's business plan more closely, and lo and behold, I found everything I needed to establish that it runs like the 'Wal-Mart of Tranny Pr0n,' step on the little guy, promote the undeserving, and blur the lines between TS/TV/CD so that a a 24/7 man in lipstick and a dress is somehow the same as an individual who has taken the time and had the commitment to assert and confirm their identity as female.

I could go on, but it might take all day. I won't lie: things are looking up and I think there have been efforts made lately to level the playing field, and in private conversations on this topic, I've given him credit for that. The question is whether or not he has an ulterior motive and if will be enough to undo the damage that he's caused to the image of transsexuals over the year.

Mark my words though, if Steven actually puts in more effort to help transwomen become more independent and accepted in society, I will be the first to congratulate him. as far as I'm concerned, the personal stuff has been water under the bridge for quite some time. This is purely political now.

~BB~

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Oh. I'mma just stay out ya'll beef on this one

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Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot

Oh. I'mma just stay out ya'll beef on this one

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Thank you. It's quite complicated and has a 2+ year history, despite what my opposition would tell you.

~BB~

well glad it wasn't me who started this topic

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

That's unfair. I let him do his thing until he starts talking about trans-politics. I don't care how many model yes-girls that just want to stay on the money man's good side defend him, I only attack when I think he's saying or doing something that I find politically unfair or disadvantageous to transwomen, particularly when he stands to benefit. For the most part, I've been leaving his posts alone.

~BB~

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Actually Bella, you don't know me, or my professional relationship with Steven to call me a "Yes-girl that just wants to stay on the money". In fact, I recently turned down an idea because I wasn't comfortable it. Steven was very understanding and together we figured out an alternate solution so that everybody would be pleased... So already, you're talking out of your ass. Stick to what you know :yayo:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

they invited me to shoot, promised to help me get into the business, dropped the ball on it, played with my shoot release date because I wanted to self-promote, used the WORST photos in the sets (that never should be been released, let alone showcased) to market me (effectively slowing my career)

~BB~

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BINGO and now it all makes sense. you know Bella, for a girl who constantly claims just to "call it how I see it", you sure fail to see that it's almost impossible to find a post by Steven that isn't followed by a 'read', or a rebuttal from Bella just minutes later.

I usually agree with your contributions to HA, but this time your posts aren't as much of a contribution as they are annoying.

<3

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

From there I decided I would scrutinize Grooby's business plan more closely, and lo and behold, I found everything I needed to establish that it runs like the 'Wal-Mart of Tranny Pr0n,' step on the little guy, promote the undeserving, and blur the lines between TS/TV/CD so that a a 24/7 man in lipstick and a dress is somehow the same as an individual who has taken the time and had the commitment to assert and confirm their identity as female.
~BB~

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Bella, I don't know Steven but am familiar with his company. From what I have seen over the years, he recognized a demand, found willing talent (that get paid for their services), created successful marketing, and basically exploded the TS/TG/TV/CD porn niche which seems to have led to revenue-generating opportunities for a lot of people who likely had very limited means of making any money. His company can't stay in business by making large payouts to all models but models can use the exposure gained from working with Grooby to go do their own thing. That has to be worth something to anyone who wants to pursue a career in porn.

And to be frank, why should the business concern itself with whether a person is TS/TG/TV/CD as long as they present in a manner that's appealing to consumers? Consumers don't seem to care because they're buying into a fantasy anyways. It's not Grooby's role to play psychologist or gender police.

I understand the point you are trying to make and it is valid but after years of reading the arguments between you two I think that you may be channeling your activism at the wrong guy.

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

Actually Bella, you don't know me, or my professional relationship with Steven to call me a "Yes-girl that just wants to stay on the money". In fact, I recently turned down an idea because I wasn't comfortable it. Steven was very understanding and together we figured out an alternate solution so that everybody would be pleased... So already, you're talking out of your ass. Stick to what you know :yayo:

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So wait, you had a positive experience with him and that doesn't compel you to defend him? You may not be a yes-girl, but you're certainly on the Grooby team, as are many of the girls here. Many of them can come and say positive things about Grooby, and I even admitted that I will as I see more positive changes, but the difference with me is, I won't be doing it because they contribute to my bottom line, but because I will truly believe in what they're doing. That's called integrity.

Oh, and having been in business for myself for 10+ years and politics for 20 years means business and politics are what I know. :geek:

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

BINGO and now it all makes sense. you know Bella, for a girl who constantly claims just to "call it how I see it", you sure fail to see that it's almost impossible to find a post by Steven that isn't followed by a 'read', or a rebuttal from Bella just minutes later.

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That's not true. A few months ago I got a request from the owner of this site to leave his promotional threads alone. I've done that. He's been free to operate here, for the most part, without my interference. That said, calling bullshit is precisely what I do, and not just to Steven. If you truly have been reading my posts, then you know all this, but I know you're just acting on a knee-jerk reaction because you have no idea what occurred.

I made my point. I'm moving on. People can think what they like. If they took the red pill, that's their problem, not mine.

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Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream

I understand the point you are trying to make and it is valid but after years of reading the arguments between you two I think that you may be channeling your activism at the wrong guy.

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He's the one who pretty much started the industry and his is the largest company right now. That's two good reasons to use him as my example. If you have any other ideas, I'd be keen to hear them. This really isn't personal for me. :?

~BB~

......and so the never-ending battle between Bella and Seanchai continues Also,does Kayden like backshots.....no disrepect

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

"sceanchai no need to defend giving your customers what they want to see.
a guy jerking off to a shemaleyum vid could give a fuck if the model is TV, CD, TS, or whatever.
wasn't Jamie Markham hugely popular before she decided to go do gay porn ?"

If I didn't know better I'd say just you proved my point for me. :lol:

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lol. Flabby made Bella's point so perfectly! You couldn't write that shit :P