Production and promotion standards in the TS niche

Are there people in this thread actually calling for more retouching in the transsexual porn space? Brazilian sites abuse the smudge tool to the extent that it should be illegal to ship Adobe products to Brazil.

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

I just looked at the photos in question and see none of what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by tslvrnyc

Are there people in this thread actually calling for more retouching in the transsexual porn space? Brazilian sites abuse the smudge tool to the extent that it should be illegal to ship Adobe products to Brazil.

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which sites are you referring to? I have been a member of brazilian shemalesclub.com, brazilain-transsexuals.com and shemales-from-hell.com, and none of those sites does obvious photoshopping.

Which, btw, I don't like at all. Photoshop that is. :lol:

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Originally Posted by mbf

which sites are you referring to? I have been a member of brazilian shemalesclub.com, brazilain-transsexuals.com and shemales-from-hell.com, and none of those sites does photoshopping.

Which, btw, I don't like at all. Photoshop that is.

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EVERY SITE DOES PHOTOSHOPPING (or the equivalent like lightroom). It's only a matter of extent and what features they use.

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

GG's in porn don't face the nearly constant self loathing and doubt that TS do in regards to our appearances.

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Ohhh, yes they do! Most women are extremely insecure, but it's that very self doubt that keeps a GG from talking about it in the first place. I think in general they just hide it better than we do.

~BB~

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No, I mean GG's don't have to worry about not being passable. Guys like to see girls get messy, they will pay a fortune to watch it (go look at Kink sometime, girls only start out looking good). As a TS I don't worry about not looking my prettiest, I worry about my viewers seeing something manly in a picture. That is what I mean by constant doubt and self-loathing that is particular to TS women in the porn industry.

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You worry too much. You're a pretty girl and the makeup doesn't make the woman. This is more about the fact the certain camera angles, lighting, etc can make even the prettiest GG look harsh or even masculine. I may not always agree with you but I do appreciate your femininity and your talent. You're a lot more valuable as a person and a performer as your insecurities would lead you to believe.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by slinky

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Again, what's so far fetched about someone who has control over someone's else career exercising that control for the 'greater good.' If I'm willing to make sacrifices so that other models can have better benefits, what makes people think others wouldn't do so to protect their larger interests?

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We are talking about pornographers, porn talent/hookers, adult webmasters, etc. Now, I'm certainly not advocating that just because the business is "seedy" that people shouldn't have business ethics. But what I am saying is that I think it is Pollyannaish to expect it from this group of people (and trust me, I've spent the last 30 years getting yelled at by almost every partner I've ever had for doing the same thing, so I'm not saying it to belittle you, I'm saying it because I'm recognizing one of my own personal faults in someone else).

Also, at this point I'm not quite sure exactly what "sacrifices" you are refering to? Would you care to enlighten me?

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You don't think that just starting this conversation could piss people off and make it harder for me to get shoots? Hmm. Ok then. Wanna shoot me or direct me to someone who does? lol

Maybe I'm wrong. Who knows? The point is that I'm willing to make sacrifices if it serves the greater good and I don't think a lot of people can honestly say that in this business. To me it seems like everyone is dependent on the status quo. But like I said, that's just me.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

As far as the activism thing goes, I sum it up to this: it's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it. It might as well be me. Can you see Kimber or Kelly Shore or Yasmine Lee doing it? I didn't think so. lol

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Well what's the job, you've not stated any facts about from having a bit of a whine. I really can't see Kimber, Kelly or Yasmine doing something about nothing. Why do you think it's your job - you've barely scratched the surface of the industry in the what, 2 months since you've been appearing on websites? :roll:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

And I'm not alleging that there's a conspiracy. It's not that complicated. Again, what's so far fetched about someone who has control over someone's else career exercising that control for the 'greater good.' If I'm willing to make sacrifices so that other models can have better benefits, what makes people think others wouldn't do so to protect their larger interests?

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What is the "greater good"? What sacrifices have you made? You obviously are alleging a conspiracy yet you've made no points or stated any facts.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I may be wrong, but I'm not paranoid. It's just a theory.

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You may be wrong, your certainly paranoid. You have no theory or substantiated facts. Your spouting a bunch of inneundos that nobody else seems to support?

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Nobody else seems to support me? Actually a few people did until the bigger fish came in an squashed my dissent. Check the first couple of pages. As far as what I stand for, I think it's been pretty obvious from day one that I think the girls in this biz should be marketed more as the beautiful women that they are instead of the freaks some people seem to want us to be. Some may say that I should get out of the biz if I have a problem with it - but I don't have a problem with it - I just think we can do better. That's all. Not to mention that how long I've been involved in it is irrelevant. It's not like you have to be a model or producer to have an opinion on this since anybody can see the final product regardless of the way it was produced.

And I haven't stated any 'facts' because I intended this to be a hypothetical discussion and I don't want to call anybody out. I'm sure those in question know who they are.

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Originally Posted by slinky

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

I just looked at the photos in question and see none of what you are talking about.

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So wait. Everyone is calling out the evils of Photoshop, but a few minor blemishes are left in a few photos to achieve a higher level of realism and someone complains about that too? I don't get it. Doesn't anyone else think that there should/could be a happy medium on this?

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

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You don't think that just starting this conversation could piss people off and make it harder for me to get shoots? Hmm. Ok then. Wanna shoot me or direct me to someone who does? lol

Maybe I'm wrong. Who knows? The point is that I'm willing to make sacrifices if it serves the greater good and I don't think a lot of people can honestly say that in this business. To me it seems like everyone is dependent on the status quo. But like I said, that's just me.

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a) There really aren't all that many people who independently shoot/produce TS porn (i.e. as outside production companies for sites/distributors) in the US.

b) I'm not saying that what you have said in this thread won't piss anyone off or cost you jobs, but I think it's much less because of any sort of "activism" than not wanting to work with someone who a producer or website owner/distributor is going to think is going to complain about how they choose to do their business, what shots to use, etc.

c) I don't currently shoot any TS porn personally. I found it to be WAY to much of a PITA to do in the US and gave up after VERY few attempts at it. Give me a couple of my home girls who trust me and fear me at the same time (lol) and I'll do what many have told me I was full of shit when I said I did it (but then proved it to them): shoot 22 hardcore scenes in one day; twice and bang out enough scenes to start5 a new site with).

d) With the industry in the shitter (no matter what anyone tells you), the odds of finding someone who's going to fly you in and pay you enough money to make it worth your while are slim at best.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Excellent point. Except that you neglect to mention that there's too much politicking that goes on in our niche so sometimes the best thing for a studio to do is to make a short-term sacrifice in order to neutralize a long-term threat.

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Huh? More gibberish. Whose a threat to whom?

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Originally Posted by seanchai

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

In my case, I tend to challenge the major players in this game in an effort to improve the situation for both myself and the younger models who dare not speak up.

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I've never heard you challenge anyone? What have I missed? Maybe I'm just not a major player...
What younger models dare not speak up?

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I'm pretty sure that there was a bit of conflict over the summer the last time I brought up this topic so this post is not the extent of my protest of the way trans porn is produced and promoted. If you remember I objected to the use of the word 'shemale' and that's when I had the activist label pinned on me. I didn't just proclaim myself as such. Don't you think you're taking this a bit personally anyway?

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