What happens to tgirls when they get old(er)?

Thank you, Good night. :)

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

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Originally Posted by phobun

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

But I suppose what I find to be a little unsettling is, many of the gentlemen here say things that are horrible, and you aren't speaking up for your sisters.

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You're a hypocrite. You say cruel things to people all the time (Rockabilly) and viciously attack other transsexuals using this forum or your blog (http://www.nikki-dupre.com/uncategor...-crossdresser/). You were even called out for your "sadism" here.

You often call me a homosexual, but other times you've insinuated that I'm a transsexual in denial who will begin HRT. How can you reconcile those opposing attempts to impugn me? Easy... for you it's the same thing.

Because the only thing that might separate you from the geriatric autogynephiles is that you're more of a flaming gay man with boobs. If you are a transsexual, and I seriously doubt that, then at best you're a granny tranny who is ill-at-ease with themself. You were nearly 40 years old before you started to transition... that's pretty late, and given the results, this "I'm a transsexual" mantra of yours is about as convincing as any any other leathery queen on a streetcorner insisting he's the Princess of Wales. Repeating it ad nauseum does not make it true, nor does it convince others that their eyes are lying.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

And how many not-so-attractive late bloomers do we see, who live to a ripe old age but couldn't pass if they're lives depended on it?

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Hypocrite.

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Ahhh, now we're back in Blanchard territory! You have that agenda and a sense of purpose! "Divide and conquer"! I love when you mix in that master race stuff with TS issues. You're HA's self-appointed Brown Shirt/SS. A true pariah! lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bla...nder_dysphoria

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Why condemn someone over a silly academic theory... so what if anyone chooses to believe differently than you? It does not make them a fascist or racist as you just ridiculously implied. So what if someone chooses not to subscribe to any formal theory at all, and instead just trusts his or her intuition that you're a nutty phony?

In spite of your claims that you're going to be leaving this forum except for occasional promotion, you're unable to keep your word, and you're probably on here more than anyone else. Why do you seem to be so dependent on HA forum? How close are you with your extended family now that you're older and have gone home, and do they wonder if the escort business in Florida flopped? I wonder if the real issue is you and your bitter loneliness as you enter middle-age. I worry that emotional abuse and dysfunctional relationships are what you've known, and that is why you spend your time here attacking others. You might find happiness if you redirected your venom and rage into more productive uses.

Go ahead and call me a fag, latent homosexual or whatever pleases you.
Your pathetic epithets do much to discredit yourself as a sentient, warm and well-adjusted transwoman.

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Originally Posted by phobun

Why condemn someone over a silly academic theory... so what if anyone chooses to believe differently than you? It does not make them a fascist or racist as you just ridiculously implied. So what if someone chooses not to subscribe to any formal theory at all, and instead just trusts his or her intuition that you're a nutty phony?

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Don't downplay the single biggest divide and conquer strategy to ever be used AGAINST transsexuals. And why bother throwing around such terminology in the first place if it's "silly academic theory"? It seemed like a good idea to you at the time? Please tell us which it is for you. "Silly academic theory" or "intuition"? Don't talk out of both sides of your mouth.

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Originally Posted by phobun

In spite of your claims that you're going to be leaving this forum except for occasional promotion, you're unable to keep your word, and you're probably on here more than anyone else. Why do you seem to be so dependent on HA forum? How close are you with your extended family now that you're older and have gone home, and do they wonder if the escort business in Florida flopped? I wonder if the real issue is you and your bitter loneliness as you enter middle-age. I worry that emotional abuse and dysfunctional relationships are what you've known, and that is why you spend your time here attacking others. You might find happiness if you redirected your venom and rage into more productive uses.

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Sorry, but the "failed escort business" theory is not holding weight. I know it would make you feel better if it were true, but it simply isn't. I moved back here primarily because south Florida is a culturally and intellectually bankrupt vacuum, but keep guessing if it makes you feel better. And I will post here as often or as little as I want. You won't be seeing any grandiose departure posts from me. You're simply disappointed because "I'm getting bored an/or sick of this place" is hardly a promise which you can personally find solace in. Again, that was more wishful thinking on your part. I am a pre-op TS with things to promote. You're a declared dissident of the pre-op TS sex worker industry. The person who's presence here is inconsistent with their words is you, not me.

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Originally Posted by phobun

Go ahead and call me a fag, latent homosexual or whatever pleases you.

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Thanks. I will. lol

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Originally Posted by phobun

Your pathetic epithets do much to discredit yourself as a sentient, warm and well-adjusted transwoman.

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"Sentient and warm? lol I'm an outspoken cunt. However, I'm neither stupid nor inhumane.

Your every post questions another person's sexuality, and/or "true" or "untrue" transsexual status. So, whether you like my tone or not, it does nothing to change the fact that I am the altruist here and you're the ideoligical pariah. Read my posts, and re-read them. Get sick of them. And then choke on them. I find a great sense of pride in challenging your hater tactics. You don't belong here, and don't you fucking dare forget it. 8)

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1017946/3836037

I think what's most ironic about this whole convo is, I've wanted SRS since I first heard about it at the age of 8. I only started reconsidering it about two years ago. lol

And the biggest reason I see to not get SRS is, there's hardly anything practical about it. I now see it more as an obligatory act, if not a completely superficial one, than as a defining one. I wanted a vagina because I learned to hate the body part which robbed me of my gender identity at age 2.

When my mom explained to me that the thing I peed with was some sort of deal-breaker, I found it to be absurd and wholly unfair. But life is hardly ever fair, and I now see my penis as nothing to base my gender status on. It's society's issue, not mine. So let them catch up.

And God knows society as a whole has had it's collective head up it's ass before. Conventional thinking and "intuition" is what led Germany down the path of the Final Solution. So much for letting others do your thinking for you.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

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Originally Posted by phobun

Why condemn someone over a silly academic theory... so what if anyone chooses to believe differently than you? It does not make them a fascist or racist as you just ridiculously implied. So what if someone chooses not to subscribe to any formal theory at all, and instead just trusts his or her intuition that you're a nutty phony?

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Don't downplay the single biggest divide and conquer strategy to ever be used AGAINST transsexuals.

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This is just more paranoia.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

And why bother throwing around such terminology in the first place if it's "silly academic theory"? It seemed like a good idea to you at the time? Please tell us which it is for you. "Silly academic theory" or "intuition"? Don't talk out of both sides of your mouth.

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No theory is necessary to see you for who you are.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

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Originally Posted by phobun

In spite of your claims that you're going to be leaving this forum except for occasional promotion, you're unable to keep your word, and you're probably on here more than anyone else. Why do you seem to be so dependent on HA forum? How close are you with your extended family now that you're older and have gone home, and do they wonder if the escort business in Florida flopped? I wonder if the real issue is you and your bitter loneliness as you enter middle-age. I worry that emotional abuse and dysfunctional relationships are what you've known, and that is why you spend your time here attacking others. You might find happiness if you redirected your venom and rage into more productive uses.

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Sorry, but the "failed escort business" theory is not holding weight. I know it would make you feel better if it were true, but it simply isn't. I moved back here primarily because south Florida is a culturally and intellectually bankrupt vacuum, but keep guessing if it makes you feel better.

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Heh, and New Jersey is a cultural and intellectual center. Regardless though, I hope you have found support there near your family in NJ, and I wish you success as an escort during your middle-age.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

And I will post here as often or as little as I want. You won't be seeing any grandiose departure posts from me.

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Oh, but we essentially have, multiple times, including here, here and here. I don't care if you leave or not, but you're either here to promote yourself as you claimed, or to bitterly attack others and call guys fags, as you do. Your claim is mutually exclusive of your actions.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

You're simply disappointed. "I'm getting bored an/or sick of this place" is hardly a promise which you can personally find solace in. Again, that was more wishful thinking on your part. I am a pre-op TS with things to promote.

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Right.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

You're a declared dissident of the pre-op TS sex worker industry.

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Declared? More paranoia.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

The person who's presence here is inconsistent with their words is you, not me.

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No, as was clear in your attack on Peggygee, you're the one with issues about operative status. There is a home here for post-op transsexuals and guys who like them here, regardless of whether that makes you uncomfortable.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

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Originally Posted by phobun

Go ahead and call me a fag, latent homosexual or whatever pleases you.

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Thanks. I will. lol

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Which goes to the heart of jcinva's point. The flip side of your silly names is the implication those names have for you. Further, if you are willing to unload "fag" at guys here, that is not consistent with your claims to want to be a successful escort. What sort of desparate masochist would pay for such a personality?.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

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Originally Posted by phobun

Your pathetic epithets do much to discredit yourself as a sentient, warm and well-adjusted transwoman.

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"Sentient and warm? lol I'm an outspoken cunt. However, I'm neither stupid nor inhumane.

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Which is not to say that your intelligent or humane. But you are clearly bitter and angry. Why? Redirect those demons toward more productive uses. There's no glory to be earned by rehashing the Bailey wars, or calling guys fags, on a porn forum.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

Your every post questions another person's sexuality, and/or "true" or "untrue" transsexual status.

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You're projecting, again.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

So, whether you like my tone or not, it does nothing to change the fact that I am the altruist here and you're the ideoligical pariah. Read my posts, and re-read them. Get sick of them. And then choke on them.

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Heh. I hope that someday you find happiness and inner peace.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

I think what's most ironic about this whole convo is, I've wanted SRS since I first heard about it at the age of 8. I only started reconsidering it about two years ago. lol

And the biggest reason I see to not get SRS is, there's hardly anything practical about it. I now see it more as an obligatory act, if not a completely superficial one, than as a defining one. I wanted a vagina because I learned to hate the body part which robbed me of my gender identity at age 2.

When my mom explained to me that the thing I peed with was some sort of deal-breaker, I found it to be absurd and wholly unfair. But life is hardly ever fair, and I now see my penis as nothing to base my gender status on. It's society's issue, not mine. So let them catch up.

And God knows society as a whole has had it's collective head up it's ass before. Conventional thinking and "intuition" is what led Germany down the path of the Final Solution. So much for letting others do your thinking for you.

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Oh lord, this thread is clearly reaching a point of diminishing marginal returns now that Godwin's Law has been invoked.

As I said before, I hope you can someday find happiness and inner peace.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

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Originally Posted by peggygee

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i often think about it too what do tgirls do when they get older ... would love to hear from older girls about this ...

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I'm one of the oldest women that I know of. Of the women that I came up
with, of my contemporaries all are dead, and none died of old age or
natural causes.

Back in the day, I was wild and adventurous, engaged in a lot of "sex,
drugs, and rock and roll." But I also knew that I wanted to live a long
time, and that was a possibilty given the genetics on both sides of my
family.

Thus I made a good foundation for the future by furthering my education,
seeking counselling on things that troubled me, and basically solving
problems in my life that I had the ability too solve.

As a result many of the goals that I strived for in life have been achieved.
I was able to obtain GRS, I'm clean and sober, I work a mainstream job.
Basically I have assimilated, and I'm just a regular Black woman, which
was pretty much what I desired from the onset.

Today, I observe and speak with quite a few younger transwomen, who
by choice or necessity seem to live only for today.

They appear to live as if their mantra was 'Live fast, die young and leave a
good looking corpse'

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With all due respect, after the 3 or so years you've been here, I really have to question what the big motivation is behind all of the endorsing you do of SRS. I do know that for for some older TS, its a jealousy/"misery loves company" thing. At this point, I think the urgency for SRS, and even stealth, is nowhere close to what it was when you transitioned. The idea that SRS makes you "complete" is disappearing. The HBS are borderline offensive, although they were indeed all we had to legitimize our yearning to make a little progress for so long. Back in the day, the first thing they did when you said you wanted to transition was give you an orchi, which in retrospect is a very extreme course of action. In contrast, now it's generally the second to last thing girls do.

I also think stats on TS are probably some of the most inaccurate of all. Most TS aren't coming forward to actually say they're TS, unless they work in the adult industry where it only behooves them. In addition, most of the girls doing well in that industry, like most of the ones who regularly post here, are beating the odds of your observation. Stealth girls don't share info. Younger TS have more love and support from they're families and won't face these same struggles that the girls before them did.

And how many not-so-attractive late bloomers do we see, who live to a ripe old age but couldn't pass if they're lives depended on it? They lived 75% of their lives as men, and now they want to champion the cause of going to a 3rd world country and buying a firecracker pussy with their 401k money. But what they do, inadvertently or not, is make us all look like freaks. Look at the UK where they've made srs part of their social medicine program. They're sending brick after dickless brick into the world, and they talk like they represent anyone more than themselves.

So I dunno, Peggy. Maybe you're being helpful, but I think these anecdotes you often share are are a bit insular, if not sanctimonious at times. I have to wonder if you're not romanticizing more about being a crusader than you are being an instrument of practical change. Tell me more about what you do for your sisters beyond copy and paste stuff onto forums, and perhaps you'll change my perspective.

Are there potential trappings in the sex worker lifestyle? Yes. But many GGs and gay men are up against the same thing, and no operation is the cure-all. And plenty of pre-ops, in fact, do just fine.

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Wow! Bravo! Nichole. I like what you said. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by phobun

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

I think what's most ironic about this whole convo is, I've wanted SRS since I first heard about it at the age of 8. I only started reconsidering it about two years ago. lol

And the biggest reason I see to not get SRS is, there's hardly anything practical about it. I now see it more as an obligatory act, if not a completely superficial one, than as a defining one. I wanted a vagina because I learned to hate the body part which robbed me of my gender identity at age 2.

When my mom explained to me that the thing I peed with was some sort of deal-breaker, I found it to be absurd and wholly unfair. But life is hardly ever fair, and I now see my penis as nothing to base my gender status on. It's society's issue, not mine. So let them catch up.

And God knows society as a whole has had it's collective head up it's ass before. Conventional thinking and "intuition" is what led Germany down the path of the Final Solution. So much for letting others do your thinking for you.

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Oh lord, this thread is clearly reaching a point of diminishing marginal returns now that Godwin's Law has been invoked.

As I said before, I hope you can someday find happiness and inner peace.

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How kind of you. When all else fails, patronize? ;)

Oh, and if Manhattan and the surrounding suburbs are not up to progressive speed and lack enough culture, where pray tell are you taking up space? ;) lol

Have another idelogical coffin nail. It's on me. lol

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Originally Posted by phobun

No, as was clear in your attack on Peggygee, you're the one with issues about operative status. There is a home here for post-op transsexuals and guys who like them here, regardless of whether that makes you uncomfortable.

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"Uncomfortable" around post ops? lol Wake up and smell the coffee. One of my dearest and best friends is a post op TS, and she's emotionally light years beyond Peggy imho. She wouldn't waste her time on a pre-op porn forum doing public relations for post ops for a minute. She transitioned in her early teens, and had srs well over 10 years ago. If she invites me to her home for Christmas dinner, don't you think we'd know each other well enough to be more than "comfortable" with one another's value systems?

Please answer one direct question. Have you ever had a close relationship of any kind with any type of TS, pre or post?