Unofficial U.S. Presidential Poll

The party agenda will rule the nation ... the game between the parties is finding the right candidate to win the election - beat the other guy. The reality in today's world is the names are interchangeable. Do you really think we would be in a different place today if McCain beats Dub for the Republican nomination eight years ago? The only way things would be different is if 911 did not happen - and would it have happened if Bush didn't win the election?

Our response to 911 would've been worlds different had Gore been president. He wouldn't have sat for seven minutes wondering what fuck he should do. In the weeks after he would've rallied the nation to curb our dependency on foreign oil and instituted stricter cafe standards. He would not have alienated world opinion at a time when international cooperation against terrorist threats was crucial. He wouldn't spent trillions of dollars on a useless regime change in Iraq selling our children's future to communist China. He would've had responsible leadership in FEMA (directors who actually believe it's the business of government to help people when the chips are down) when Katrina hit. But all that is water under the bridge. I never bring it up on my own...but you asked. The answer is YES, the person in the white house makes a difference. On the other hand...you're right...McCain...Bush....not much difference.

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Originally Posted by trish

Our response to 911 would've been worlds different had Gore been president. He wouldn't have sat for seven minutes wondering what fuck he should do. In the weeks after he would've rallied the nation to curb our dependency on foreign oil and instituted stricter cafe standards. He would not have alienated world opinion at a time when international cooperation against terrorist threats was crucial. He wouldn't spent trillions of dollars on a useless regime change in Iraq selling our children's future to communist China. He would've had responsible leadership in FEMA (directors who actually believe it's the business of government to help people when the chips are down) when Katrina hit. But all that is water under the bridge. I never bring it up on my own...but you asked. The answer is YES, the person in the white house makes a difference.

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You missed my point Trish. I was referring to party politics and not the person in the white house - McCain instead of Bush. I agree with you and yes Gore / Democrats would have made a difference.

I wonder if the attacks would have occurred if Gore were elected eight years ago ...

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Originally Posted by fitz207

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Originally Posted by Beagle

I don't get the big deal about McCain (actually Mrs McCain) owning 7 homes. I believe some are investment properties.

Why is this a problem?

Did you feel the same way about Kerry's wife being rich and owning a lot of stuff?

Do you know how Obama purchased his properties?

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Of course you don't get it, you're a neocon. The point is how can you govern a Country of working and middle class folks, when you and your wife have had everything handed to you on a silver platter. There are a lot of wealthy people who had to work for everything they have instead of inheriting it.

John and Cindy McCain are the true elitist. From there 7 homes to McCain's economic adviser "a nation of whiners". Only an elitist who doesn't have to worry about eveyday expenses would say something like that.

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Here's another one I bet you didn't think of fitz207.

Obama Goofed lol lol

I think Barack Obama overlooked something that could infect this whole thing without him or anyone else even knowing it.

Is it just me or could the campaign signs become a subliminal visual innuendo problem when they read . . . .

" * Obama Biden for president * "


Does that not look like it could have subliminal parallel power that looks way too close to the name,

" * Osama Bin laden * " ?


I know he didn't mean it but what an oversight. :roll:

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Originally Posted by tatsu1

I've not watched that video, however, I'm sure that it is in regard to McCain voting AGAINST the MLK holiday as the AZ senator. I'm no rookie sir. That is a HUGE point of contention for me, as well as a lot of other things. I'm just looking at the history of this country and knowing the full extent of the presidents power I know, that if elected there will be a series of checks and balances that will keep him in check. Politically, I'm a liberal repub. i'm FOR Affirmative Action, I'm FOR abortion, I'm FOR gay marriage, but I'm more in tune with the conservative "values" when it comes to fiscal policy. sorry. As i said, at this point, I've not made up my mind BUT Obama is way too liberal for me on certain issues. Frankly, i may not vote at all. Perhaps I will vote for Obama. We'll see they're debates where it is CLEAR where both candidates lie as far as issues go. I personally can't wait til' the general election. It will be a MEDIA BLOODBATH!!! lulz!

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Republican Values? You mean like the values of hatred for non right wing christians? Or you mean like the values that allowed them to run the most corrupt congress in history and has 3 of them in the federal penetentiary? Oh wait....or the values that took us to war against a country who never attacked us? The values that have us backing Israel no matter what they do because we govern based on the bible and the assanine notion that we need to protect the "holy land"? Or maybe you mean the fical values that have given us the largest debt in history and lowers taxes for the richest Americans.

Please explain which values you are referring to.

'conservative "values" when it comes to fiscal policy' = the upward redistribution of wealth

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Originally Posted by salvador

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Originally Posted by fitz207

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Originally Posted by Beagle

I don't get the big deal about McCain (actually Mrs McCain) owning 7 homes. I believe some are investment properties.

Why is this a problem?

Did you feel the same way about Kerry's wife being rich and owning a lot of stuff?

Do you know how Obama purchased his properties?

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Of course you don't get it, you're a neocon. The point is how can you govern a Country of working and middle class folks, when you and your wife have had everything handed to you on a silver platter. There are a lot of wealthy people who had to work for everything they have instead of inheriting it.

John and Cindy McCain are the true elitist. From there 7 homes to McCain's economic adviser "a nation of whiners". Only an elitist who doesn't have to worry about eveyday expenses would say something like that.

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Here's another one I bet you didn't think of fitz207.

Obama Goofed lol lol

I think Barack Obama overlooked something that could infect this whole thing without him or anyone else even knowing it.

Is it just me or could the campaign signs become a subliminal visual innuendo problem when they read . . . .

" * Obama Biden for president * "


Does that not look like it could have subliminal parallel power that looks way too close to the name,

" * Osama Bin laden * " ?


I know he didn't mean it but what an oversight. :roll:

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Yeah for sure that's why he shouldn't be president............. :roll:

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Originally Posted by xrey

The party agenda will rule the nation ... the game between the parties is finding the right candidate to win the election - beat the other guy. The reality in today's world is the names are interchangeable. Do you really think we would be in a different place today if McCain beats Dub for the Republican nomination eight years ago? The only way things would be different is if 911 did not happen - and would it have happened if Bush didn't win the election?

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Things would be a ton different even in the wake of 9/11. We would have finished the job in Afghanistan and never invaded Iraq. Or did you forget about that little fact? In case you haven't been updated wit hthe latest facts; the taliban have regrouped and are now running most of Afghanistan again. The US troop death toll is climbing and of course you don't her squat about it on our stupid network news channels.

I am voting for Obama.

why?

his intelligence

health care

Renewable energy

I am extremely progressive on issues like gay marriage, abortion etc etc.

I despise the republican form of redistribution of wealth. The rich get richer, and the poorer get poorer


That being said, the faith people put in this guy for being "so much different" is ludicrous.

The US will still be the most imperialistic nation in the world.

We will still kill people for their resources.

There will still be a major class divide.

Frankly, I believe we need a revolution.

Take back the power from corporate snakes, government accomplices.

No war, but a class war.

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Originally Posted by Janie2261

The fact that the United States is the ONLY developed nation that does not provide adequate healthcare for its people is an obscene tragedy. Even people with insurance are finding that it covers less and less.

Incidentally, as many of you know, transgendered people are completely excluded from healthcare coverage, in almost all cases.

Republican rule is impoverishing the middle class while enriching the drug companies, the insurance companies, and the defense industry.

Any one who votes for McCain is helping to perpetuate this absurd system of corporate welfare at the expense of people at the bottom. I will be voting for Obama, but I think Nader has the right agenda.

Corporate welfare at home and hugely expensively wars abroad (which enrich the defense industry) IS the Republican agenda. That is what you are voting for with McCain.

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And you really think Democrats are against corporate welfare? LOL

Democrats have started most wars the US has been in. Most voted for the current war we are in. Democrats control the Congress (house and senate) and what did we get from them? $150 billion in additional war spending in 2008 and $50 billion in 2009, on top of the pentagons already ridiculous budgets.

Democrats are not against war, they are against wars that don't do well in public opinion polls. Equally as bad they are all for using the military for "nation building". Obama, back when he was advocating a rapid pull out from Iraq, said that he would send troops back into Iraq if al-Qaeda gained a foothold there. Obama said that he would send US troops into Pakistan even without the Pakistani governments approval, he said that Iran cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons, under no circumstances, how you can say he is opposed to military action against Iran? Obama is all for the war in Afganistan as well.