99% of ts's are hookers, NO! but 1 in 4 TS escorts HIV+

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Originally Posted by bh_boyy2

1: AIDS Care. 1998 Aug;10(4):473-80.

HIV infection among foreign people involved in HIV-related risk activities and
attending an HIV reference centre in Rome: the possible role of counselling in
reducing risk behaviour.

Spizzichino L, Casella P, Zaccarelli M, Rezza G, Venezia S, Gattari P.

Drug Treatment Centre RM/E, Santo Spirito Hospital, Rome, Italy.

Between September 1993 and December 1995, 528 foreign individuals at risk of HIV
infection attended the drug treatment centre located in the Santo Spirito
Hospital in Rome, undergoing medical examination, HIV testing and counselling.

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Let's get REAL here. These 528 individuals traveled to Rome, Italy for testing. This was not a random sampling the only true statistical means of measuring a population. These people likely already had their own suspicions before travelling a quarter of the way around the globe to be tested.

If I were to go to a methadone clinic and did a study on percentages of the population with a heroin addiction...would I be surprised that 80% of the peole going to the clinic were such? Could I further extrapolate the figures taken to the general population?

Also 1993-1995 statistics are too dated to be applied to a population that is more informed and connected via internet than those a mere 15 years ago when there was still debate as to whether kissing was a source of transmittal.

Simply put, the study is out of date and not a statistical representation of any population.

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Originally Posted by Aragon21

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Originally Posted by bh_boyy2

1: AIDS Care. 1998 Aug;10(4):473-80.

HIV infection among foreign people involved in HIV-related risk activities and
attending an HIV reference centre in Rome: the possible role of counselling in
reducing risk behaviour.

Spizzichino L, Casella P, Zaccarelli M, Rezza G, Venezia S, Gattari P.

Drug Treatment Centre RM/E, Santo Spirito Hospital, Rome, Italy.

Between September 1993 and December 1995, 528 foreign individuals at risk of HIV
infection attended the drug treatment centre located in the Santo Spirito
Hospital in Rome, undergoing medical examination, HIV testing and counselling.

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Let's get REAL here. These 528 individuals traveled to Rome, Italy for testing. This was not a random sampling the only true statistical means of measuring a population. These people likely already had their own suspicions before travelling a quarter of the way around the globe to be tested.

If I were to go to a methadone clinic and did a study on percentages of the population with a heroin addiction...would I be surprised that 80% of the peole going to the clinic were such? Could I further extrapolate the figures taken to the general population?

Also 1993-1995 statistics are too dated to be applied to a population that is more informed and connected via internet than those a mere 15 years ago when there was still debate as to whether kissing was a source of transmittal.

Simply put, the study is out of date and not a statistical representation of any population.

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The individuals enrolled in the study did not travel a quarter of the way around the globe to be tested ( :shock: ). They lived in Italy and were described as foreign individuals because they did come from other countries, but for other reasons – usually in the search for work. You said that the study population was not a random sampling. You are right. We call this Selection Bias. But this is always the case with non-notifiable diseases, or with HIV+ test results (in Brazil - not sure about USA). Nevertheless, as long as the n (number of individuals) is big enough, careful extrapolations can be made to a population similar to the one enrolled in the study (mainly MtF transsexuals, escorts or non-escorts). This is the reason why I posted another studies (more recent and from the USA). I also posted a systematic review from January 2008. This type of study provides a very reliable source of information, since they assess the results of many other epidemiological studies. The systematic review and all the other studies showed consistent results (HIV prevalence: approx. 25% at least), which is strong evidence that these numbers are real and not only statistical noise.

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Originally Posted by Chuck

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Originally Posted by blacktgirls

the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant.

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Clearly, you're not all that worried if you still give bareback blowjobs.
The point you make may or may not be valid. I refuse to debate it in light of the fact that you......well....sound like such an asshole. Don't do anything bareback with an escort DUMBASS!!!!

If you really have a thing for TS girls, step your game up and stop being a client. Be a real friend / boyfriend and maybe you'll meet the perfect one for you.

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you are right about the fact that i should never do anything bareback with an escort. when i gave this TS escort a bareback blowjob a year and a half ago, i was ignorant in thinking that a TS escort, especially an american, would have little chance of having HIV as compared to a GG escort. the reason being i assumed GG escorts worked in order to feed drug habits where as i thought TS escorts worked only because of job discrimination. i have little chance of stepping up my game to get a TS girlfriend because first i don't have any game and second i don't have a way into their very tight knit community. i would love to just go bowling , see a movie or hangout with a TS girl............since though this thread is about HIV in the TS community and therefore in the community of those who admire and seek their company my hope is that more federal, state and local money will be given to address the HIV crisis in the TS community through free healthcare....... where they can recieve counseling, safe sex education, hormones , surgeries, and other help to transition along with help getting housing and finding jobs. some big cities do already offer free or low cost std testing and imformation to the TS community. i think a few of the main reasons behind the high rate of HIV infection are:

• 1.... a lot of TS girls who escort also have boyfriends who are also in a high risk group, cheat or they too sell sex to gay men to survive.

• 2. ...TS girls share needles with other TS girls to inject hormones or to pump silicone.

• 3....some escorts who even wear condoms while escorting will almost always as a sign of trust not wear them with their boyfriends.

.........................http://www.yescenter.org/HIVAIDS_Risk_Factors_Among.pdf

Dear:
LibertyHarkness, TsVanessa69, Felicia Katt, justatransgirl, 2754tim, rikdik

you looks like angry.
please don't angry because it make you painful just yourself.
I think that they can't understand transsexual, and maybe they will not trying understand us.


Dear Another Guys:
first, please look at these pages
http://www.ttgapers.com/Article1726.html (with video-just for download)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_n14931149
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7276715.stm

and this
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/30/opinion/30wed3.html


I told you, my english is very bad.
my reading more than writing. but it have limitations too.
if i misunderstand your posting, i'm sorry.
but if right that my reading. i hope just say something.
i'm not american.
maybe, some of this, different situation from in america.


i have one question to you.
what do you mean now? what do you saying now?

blacktgirls, you say that.
"while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive."

"i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting!"


i think.
maybe..you not used wrong text.
HIV is dangerous. ignorance is very dangerous too.
i understanding what you saying.

yes, Shining Star.
some Transsexuals escorting is maybe sometimes, someone's is that mean...Prostitutes.
and about HIV/AID systems, I agree with you in all your views.

so what? what you mean now?
Transsexaul escort is so dangerous.
This is all your Trans escorter's fault. is this?

i think, i understand your post and statistics.
but statistics is just statistics.
some people used these with politics.
so..now. what you mean?

do you think transsexual women was born with HIV or AIDS?
HIV or AIDS is inoffensive for transsexuals?
transsexuals like money more than someone's life?
poverty Transsexuals never afraid HIV or AIDS?
if some Transsexual's know that infection HIV, She happy?
really do you think so?

i hope,"No".
you should just saying carefully.
why just Transsexuals?
maybe you can't understand this.

you can assume here is one Real Women.
She buyed 101 pets because She soooooooooo very loved animal and pets.
but she can't eke out with part time job.
finally She became Prostitutes.
do you think this is same <=> general transsexual's case?

if you want hormon. you need money.
it's not sometimes. it need every month every years every times.
so, how do you think that they need how much money with operation?
and they must paid for life(for food, for house, etc) too.

i know some friends in my country who hate Prostitutes.
they really try. study study study...
many young transsexuals don't want become Prostitutes.
but many transsexuals finally became Prostitutes.
if she met a few good leader. but in many case the another members and customers hate her.
i know some freelancer(not escorter).
but which she already has ability or not, many time they alienation to major.
yes, this is never all-transsexual's case.

but i feeled many time, almost case is not different.
so many society hate us. so many publics hate us.
many government and society blame us.
many people of them say that, "AIDS from yours"
"our society will be happy if you removed from us."
"AIDS is your fault!"

generally many countrys not open jobs for us.
just they think,
"if you will cut your hair, marri women, sex with girl. you will change"
they never understand us.
and they looks like they will never try.
just many people of them say that.
"you are just man, same us, ever! and AIDS from you. you immorality!"
ah..

maybe, you guys not transsexual. it's true.
and you don't understand us.
we can just Only a few choice and jobs for our future more than gays that for identity and for life.
many people of us, they have no choice no jobs.
first i hope, you understand this.
transsexual need many money but almost not for just luxury.
and if transsexual people's someone infected with HIV, however almost of she already don't have any choice.

and AIDS is not from us. we just it's prey.
it's make very hard to safeguard for ourself.
many people of us, afraid that.
and possibly can try for safe from that.
but we need money, and many clients don't care our health.
and hunted us, use a bonus for his sex fantasy.
and say. "i gived money for you, and now, it is all your fault what happen to me."

many transsexuals(never all) infected HIV like this.
transsexuals narrowly defend our self.
and we possibly take care our life.
guys, we are not attacker.
we are just a victim from some attackers attack.
now, if you do not play safe-sex, and you are HIV positive person who just don't know yourself,
any times you can infection to some transsexuals, guys, womens.
i think. it's possible Situations that you will be attacker to someone.
some times AIDS from blood transfusion.
We are not HIV sensor, and you too.
in this Situations, we just prey of you.

your health is yours.
do not say about our boyfriends and needles.
we can't defend your health. and you can defend your health!
blacktgirls, you told that she bareback blowjob for you? it's mean no-condom blowjob?
if she was foolish and you worry HIV. you must request condom.
and i hope you understand that if you do not that, sometimes you can will be HIV Attackers too.
this is for you, for her, for your wife(now or future's), for your childrens.

and then say here.
"all guys, womens, transsexuals and other peoples Safety First. defend from AIDS yourself."
never say, "just transsexuals need careful."
i'm not saying statistics.
you are not group. you just only one. and HIV problems is happen that case by case(most same 1on1).
all HIV/AID protection system for the Prostitutes has under the case by case rule.
HIV/AIDS is not Measles!

if..you say
"i'm client! this problems is all your fault! and your life is just your life, not mine! i will never ever ever infected HIV in my life without you! "
then, all your fault and mistake what happen to you to her and someone.

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Originally Posted by RMan1

Very predictable, a TS Escort minimizing the risk because TS Escorts want money. They are a high risk group, and to think otherwise is foolish.

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Why do I think you are maximizing the risk because you resent that Ts Escorts want money?? Is it High Risk, or high price that is bugging you? Is this about being healthy, or who gets to be wealthy??

FK

there was an hpv (can get it even while using a condom like herpes) article that came out recently with the whole gardisil vaccine debate. Not only can it lead to cervical cancer in women, it can lead to penile or anal (if thats your thing) cancer in men :shock:

this and the 1 in 4 teenage girl thing that came out recently is becoming sad.

anytime u fool around with any girls whos guy count is > 10, your playing eddie murphy raw style roulette. I dunno how you even find a gf after that

Chicago love Vanessa. I'm glad you are weighing in on this, thank you!

doradora,reread my post.To sum it up,there's a lot of TGirl Escorts,Streetwalkers with IV drug habits.They share needles and have multiple sexual partners,more then likely on the street level (which is starting
to include craigslists).
They shoot Heroin,Coke,Meth and something else will come along.So I don't know where the "anger" is.There isn't any.Use a condomn.

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Originally Posted by 2754tim

doradora,reread my post.To sum it up,there's a lot of TGirl Escorts,Streetwalkers with IV drug habits.They share needles and have multiple sexual partners,more then likely on the street level (which is starting
to include craigslists).
They shoot Heroin,Coke,Meth and something else will come along.So I don't know where the "anger" is.There isn't any.Use a condomn.

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<-failed to pink window, again.

I readed all these post on 2~3hours in first time.
I never read your post with the top of one's mind.
and now, This is perfectly my mistake. I'm sorry.

This is explain. but I will say some thing.
maybe I have many misunderstand because I'm not American.

in My Country, many Transsexual's share niddle too. just It's about Hormon.
in first time, many Transsexuals used From Hospital.
but Time goes goes goes...many Transsexuals stoped That.
and start That, They buying Hormon from Black Market, and injection her self.
and start That, She share that Niddle and Syringe used with some friends.(just I heard like That, and heard that too, almost for Money.)
because that is easy more than this(= From Hospital).
what made This Situation, They feel so tired from Jobs,Stress, and another.
and so many people of them, never live in comfort too.
about Stress and Tired, I feel That, many Transsexuals feel Despair. and They just try try try for forgot It. Allmost, maybe You(Guys) think That many transsexuals is look like Optimistic or Enjoy(+ing)life. but the Stress is very very Heavy. maybe It's always more than yours Estimation. and This is almost from Born.
- (but This is just My Think. sorry All Transsexual Sisters.)
I think, Some People never understand This. What about You?

Theirs Using Hospital is far from House(and etc).
In My Country, many Doctors can't understand Them. and Hormon is High Cost Medicines in here. This is So Stress too.(not very. but never inexpensive.)
It's burden to Many Young Transsexuals who leaving home.

I just hoped That->
Guys must understand This. do not saying about Just Transsexuals Problem.
Almost of us, really tryed ourself. even if you never seems like that.
and This Case is never be Group Vs Group Case.
and safe sex is not just about only for You or for Her.
maybe Some Transsexuals couldn't enough defend herself from HIV.
but You Can. Why sometimes you blame(and negligence) Us?

many time, Guys have stress too, and They use escort.
Almost Case, This is your(guys) enjoy for Just For Yourself.
but in this Situations, many Transsexuals is not for herself.
Now, I never try saying that She lie(+ing) to Guys.
Sometimes Guys make that really happy for(and with) Her.
but in many case, enjoy is not for Transsexual's.
and Some Transsexuals want That away from Stress.
and Some Transsexuals choose that so wrong way.
but I think that, however It's never only Transsexual's fault.


and I heard that about American's Drug Situation from TV.
but This Time, maybe I forgot It.
sorry. I don't want distort the what you mean.
recently I heard This, now iwide-spread(+ing) to Public in My Country.
but I feeled That, on the average, It's "yet".
nobody say That with open door to friends that, "I use drug."
sorry I understand, You was not anger. and I have mistake.

and this time, about All these post, maybe I could misunderstand hormon and drug niddle's percentage.(not only about your post, just all post and in america situation)


and here is one more explain too.
in here, many many Gays play SexParty with no condom too.
and some Transsexuals too.
this is made That, many peoples say that transsexuals is sleeps around.(but this is not made All fixed. just partly for transsexuals. but gay is not)
and some many Not LGBT peoples misunderstand this .
they think that this is about escort.
I feels that many time, not LGBT people think about transsexual that transsxuals is whole bacause they are abnormal sexuality.
now, publics fixed idea is many changed more than past.
it's good.
but some many people is not change. specialy Christians and straight mans.
in here, some times ago changed law about transsexual and gay.
but they had protest to strong.
and finally they successfully deleted about homosexual's law.
and some parts changed about transsexual's law.
and say that now,
"F***!! my government is changed like bull shit. they made that I never don't know about my wife who she is women or man before!!"
not true. they can know that from hers documents.
but they saying and blame to my countrys us.
It bring that my countrys thranssexuals made sharp.
many transsexuals have that It's look like allergy.
they blame-hate gay,CD/TV, and non hormon transsexual.(and gays hate transsexuals too. maybe from same reason.)
they have someone who not yet srs transsexual(but her use hormon, made breast, etc <-this is assume).
they said, "you are not women. just man or the abnormal sexuality human!.
if You want proof that You are Really Woman, You should SRS, immediate!. you made what blame us from social! fag!"
they accept just Transgender with Complete All operation, not All Transsexual.
(they look like have allergy about this word->Shemale.)

all these is picks on me. and maybe this is made me->sharp too.
and now, I feel that I'm stupid...

For my two cents I am from NYC and at one time my job was to provide services to the AIDS infected population within the city limits. I did not find that our clientel had a high precentage of transgendered individuals. I found that the higher corelation had to do with mental illness and poverty.Risky sexual behaviors will always put people at risk. There is no need to have unprotected sex with someone who you are not monagamus with who has been tested at least three months before you loose the condom. There are flavored condems for blowjobs and flavored dental dams. Wrap your dick!