Why are there SO FEW Getlemen Left?

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

What does equal rights, equal pay, have to do with common courtesy and being polite as a man?

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I´m absolutely for being polite as a human to humans.I am just wondering why some people think they have a moral right for a special status because they belong to a certain gender?

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

You should be courteous and a gentleman because it is the right thing to do, not to get laid or get ladylike behavior in return.

Too many people think keeping it rude is keeping it real, and forget that virtue is its own reward.

FK

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BEST response yet.

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AWWWWW...wtf??? :evil:


That's because the bitch stole my line!!!!




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I think most of the problem is the equal rights movement, girls want to be treated just like guys but, as soon as it comes to moving things its "here random guy carry this" you see it happen with doors too. A girl rarely holds a door open for a guy but expects the guy to hold the door open for them, then you have what I call the humor failiure, they want to join in the jokes, they want to be able to rip the piss, but the second you direct it back they get upseat. Now if we see people DEMAND the same treatment, BUT, expect the same priviledges and extras then we start to see it as wrong.

I have a little sister, shes 21 and a Psycology Degree holder, she is also as highly trained a martial artist as me, I have seen her on 4 occasions snap the punchball chain in training. She ALWAYS expects me to carry heavy bags and boxes for her. She NEVER offers me a coffe, but takes offense when she isnt offered a cup of tea.

Now that exsists with many girls, the best freinds I have ever had are the girls who act like equals, who just decide that heavy thing needs moving and they are going to do it. If you ask em if they want help they turn to you and say "Naa I got it" not "Oh cause Im a woman?" or "well you move it for me". These girls are the types who you go down to the pub and you start ripping the piss out of each other and they join in, and they TAKE as good as they give, hell one of them prefered to verbally spar with me BECAUSE of my cruel barbed humor. She WANTED me to say shit like "Blonde bimbo" (she was intelligent but came out with gems) she didnt go into the "Oh im clever, i make half of you look dumb, how dare you" she would fire back lines equally as barbed and even laugh at all the jokes you directed back.

Men ALWAYS have to ask girls out, hell when you are on a date, the guy has to keep up with the flowers, jewels, paying for meals etc.. If a girl offers to pay for a meal or a trip out more often than not they will get offended when you say OK.

Another MAJOR impact is the horrendous misuse of the RAPE claim. A girl sleeps with a guy, regrets it and calls rape, the guys life is now ruined, the girl if prosecuted for the lie, is only sentanced to weeks inside often they get away with minor fines. The poor guys life is ruined and the girls? The girl is "forgiven" she can walk around town and gets sympathy whereas the guy has to move town and if he has the guts to turn up in his old home town, he is treated with contempt and hatred because he was lied about, he is a target for violence, but the girl is a target for sympathy.

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Originally Posted by FREEFALLL666

Men ALWAYS have to ask girls out, hell when you are on a date, the guy has to keep up with the flowers, jewels, paying for meals etc.. If a girl offers to pay for a meal or a trip out more often than not they will get offended when you say OK.

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I think this depends upon where you live. While living in NYC, I was asked out frequently by women I knew from university, my building, or whatever. Many of the women that live there won't hear of you paying there way (at least until a more intimate rapport is established), usually because they want to demonstrate to you that they are your equal.

Living hear in the Buckhead section of Atlanta, I've noticed that women aren't afraid to ask a guy out or hit on him either. Conversely, when I'm in Central Goergia, where I'm currently engaged in a number or real estate projects, I have to deal with women that are very traditional. They'll drop lots of hints, but they won't ask you out – and when you do go out, you’re expected to pay. Like I said, it all depends upon where you live.

-Quinn

Increasing rudeness is merely another symptom of a declining civilization. Politeness is one of the first things to go as the day to day struggle to survive gets harder and harder.

you ladys wanted equal rights ,so you got it.

It seems like this topic resonates with a good number of people.

For me there is a balance in what I feel comfortable with. When I'm dating a guy I like them to be helpful, opening doors if my hands are full (and noticing that my hands are full) helping me carry things (just like I would do for them, for any friend that I hang out with) and in general paying attention to my well being. But when I drive somewhere, I don't want a guy to make a big show of being the one to drive or if I'm the passenger insisting on letting me in and out of the car. I'm a big girl and I can take care of myself. Helpless is not my schtick. In all relationships I desire balance. Care and concern given out of respect of one another as people.

It doesn't bother me when guys are upholding old-fashioned gender roles, certainly not enough to be curt or unpleasant. After a while, I may say: "I like to sometimes walk into a building first".

I consider myself a feminist, and I think it is possible to both be a feminist and someone who appreciates a thoughtful man.

Of course there are important exceptions. When I am in a situation where other people will be offended by my male companions behavior, I appreciate discretion, and have no qualm with such behavior.

As for the general level of thoughtlessness in younger guys...well, I think people are just less concerned with one another's well being. Many people are alienated, upset, and numb. This gets played out on large societal levels where a lucky few wash their hands of everyone else, and on a personal level where everyone is always in competition, in one way or another thinking about themselves.

So I think some younger guys just don't give a shit. They don't give a shit about manners, they don't give a shit about being helpful, they don't give a shit about your well being, they just care about themselves.

No matter what your feeling is about holding doors for women, a real gentleman is a guy who cares about his female companions well being. If she likes you to open the door, and you want to open the door, then your'e a perfect match.

xoxo
Mandy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mandytgirl/

Common courtesy should be shown to everyone.

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Originally Posted by braveman

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Originally Posted by Trans Mission

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Originally Posted by braveman

I respectfully disagree.

My parents divorced when I was very young. My mother was the one who taught me manners. A single parent, whether male or female, is responsible for the child's complete development.

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While in a romantic sense, I agree. You are, however, completely lost!

I too, came from a broken home, raised by a Mom, so in reality you are half-right. A single parent should instill the correct values, but when income is an issue and child support doesn't exist, some Mothers are forced to work copious hours to fill financial voids that other parents aren't required to fill.

In their altruistic attempt at preserving the nest, Moms who work these hours have a hard time relating to pubescent teen males and these males tend to not , initially anyhow, adapt to the stringent criteria society has impressed upon their peer group, creating outcasts.

Wait, am I giving too much of myself away here 8)

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How do you mean I'm "completely lost?" Oh, you must mean that you disagree with me to a poing. That's cool.

Trust me, my mother worked multiple jobs to provide for her children. Nothing to do with "romantic senses," but cold reality. Invest in her childrens's social and educational development or risk leashing , as you put it, outcasts into society.

Every family is different, whether they are headed by one or two parents.
There are plenty of uncouth young men who grew up in homes where fathers/older male figures were present.

So, keeping in the spirit of etiquette, I will not say that you are lost. I'll just say that I respectully disagree with you.

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Wow, you completely missed my point in your zeal to rebut. We are actually saying the same thing, just in different ways. After rereading my post "lost" was a bit harsh. I just meant thinking a single Mom household is capable of churning out sons as well rounded as a complete family unit is somewhat naive.

Yes, there are amazing single Moms capable of producing the healthiest stock of male sons possible, I just don't think it is the norm. Single mothers face adversity that not many other people experience. Jackie Kennedy was aware of this and sent her son to boxing as she felt he (JFK Jr.)needed a male presence in his life to be healthy in adulthood. Hence my point about monetary inadequacies creating problems for SOME mothers.(not all Mothers can afford special Golden Glove treatment.)

Concordantly, you're being too literal with what I said about "outcasts." I merely meant that some teen males that don't have a father figure act out in societally unapproved ways making them temporary outcasts--That was me.

As far as every family being different.....well, yeah! Of course, I understand that there is no rigid or sweeping generalization that can apply to ANY entire group of Americans, or more broadly, people for that matter.

What I meant about "Romantic" was, Yes, I want to believe that "pie in the sky belief."..but The COLD reality as you put it, is single Mothers are up against socio-economic factors that not many other Americans are up against. And in the face of that adversity not all men raised by single mothers have the societal advantages as men raised in a sound family unit.

With that said, Braveman, I apologize for calling you "Lost". I didn't necessarily mean it in a negative way, but I retract it nonetheless.

If only you were a "Hot, Hung angel" we could kiss and make up, but that is out of the question :wink:

Same shit, different day... yet again.

To wish someone to behave like a gentleman, you must first be certain you behave like a lady. Not sure that's exactly how it goes, but I heard that saying a few times growing up, mostly from my grandmother and other women her age. Interestingly enough, they were passing this along to some of my female cousins, none of whom, I might add, are what I believe one could properly call "ladylike".

So, once again, it's a case of people expecting things that they haven't earned, which is, of course, nothing new. In a sentence, there's so few gentlemen left because there are so few ladies left... and without one, how long can you expect the other to exist?