Love and Lust

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

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beautifully said vicki, im pretty much an average looking guy, nobody would ever think that i'm bi if they were to see me on the street, but to be completely honest, i would defnitley luv to marry a cute transsexual, the only problem is im only 18 and most transgendered girls either think im too young for them or most tg's my age are still only crossdressing. on the other hand i am a guy and i am hitting my sexual peak rite now, so the only thing i ever think about is just getting completely nasty with someone as sexy as you...wanna go out sometime, hahaha. but back to what i was originally saying, i would looooove to become intimate and passionate with any cute transsexual...so leave me private messages ladies, haha.

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Originally Posted by RawNY

OK, I have been reading about this isue not only on this thread but in others over the years.

In my humble opinion, much of what goes on here is commercial and pure advertising for porn websites and escorts. If I am wrong then I challange any of the women who post here to stop complaining and to take their website links out of thir posts.



With regard to a relationship. I am not an unattactive man. and would love to engage a TG in a "normal' relationship. I would love to spend time doing what other couples do and slowly developing the love which follows the lust. This is true even in male- female relationships. I am not sure where to start. I have been with Tg for over 20 years and have tried to stay away from $$$, it is very hard.


I have been to a few parties which have been advertised here. Getting there about 11, watching the parade of women come in about 12 and trying to stike up a conversation with some of them as has been suggested in other threads. ("just go up to them and say hi and talk like any other social situation where you are trying to meet someone").Sorry, dont work.


After being at Vapor a few times I had to leave because each time I was talking to someone it ended in "Do you want to spend some time with me?" Translation: put some money down and we can grope in the back. If I wanted a hooker I would go to Eros or the Village voice. If you say no they either walk away in a huff and complain to their friends or ask you to at least by them a drink ($10-$15) Is it any wonder most men give up and become voyeurs?


Maybe there are other clubs or parties which are more conducive to social intercourse (no pun intended.) I hear stories of house parties, but no details. Maybe there are other website where that is the focus.
Sorry, but I had to get this off my chest and this seemed like the right time to do it. So, if there are any complaints then I think that women have to do some soul searching and make themself more avaiable for happiness than hustling.



VICKI RICHTER replied

You are right about what you mention. I am definitely not saying that most TS who come from a lower social class desire what I have commented on here. They aren't very forward thinking in many cases. If you read any of Megabody's posts on "hood rats" you will know what the girls like. So yes, if you goto a sex party where the theme is TS are sex objects, then you are probably not going to meet your LTR girl there. 99.9% of these girls are prostitutes and you are a trick. After all is said and done, a guy wanting a relationship with a prostitute could just be a trick who wants free sex and is insincere.

Are you going to enable her to give up her escorting somehow... someday? Have you been labeled a bottom by girls in that environment when most girls, preference wise, are secretly bottoms themselves? All these things add up. Unfortunately, for myself, I could never have a loving long term relationship with a bottom guy, no matter how nice or rich he was, because someday I will get SRS and then I can't compete with dick and the need for it that some guys have. I have no problem with guys of any sexuality and I think it's great for guys to do whatever gets them off. However, we all have to be realists.

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A few decades ago my Brother stated to my mother and I that he was always meeting women that were hurtful to him, that just wanted him to spend money on them, and that were generally not of the best character.

My mother asked him, where was he meeting most of these women. He responded, "at bars".

Now of course all women that you meet in a bar, aren't going to be women that are after your money, nor is the converse true, that all women that you don't meet in a bar going to be all prim and proper, and 'wifey material'.

However as Ms. Richter points out if you frequent porn websites, and TS sex parties, you most likely aren't going to find someone for a potential LTR.

There are indeed sites, venues, and techniques for meeting transwomen who are looking for LTRs.

But gentlemen for the most part, you are 'looking for love' in mostly all 'the wrong places' to paraphrase the old Waylon Jennings' song.

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But gentlemen for the most part, you are 'looking for love' in all mostly all 'the wrong place' to paraphrase the old Waylon Jennings' song.

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"Just some good ol' boys,
Never meaning no harm..."

Whups, wrong Waylon Jennings song. :roll:

'All the wrong places' is a pretty good qualifier. I'm not sure I was exactly hunting in the wrong places, per se, but I somehow managed to put out a vibe that attracted women who, no matter how they looked or spoke, invariably owned kick-start vibrators and liked fish. :roll: But if you hang out at Cowtown a lot, you can't expect to find Martha Stewart there (Of course, if you hang out at the state pen on visitor's day, Martha might just be there :lol: ).

Before I hermitized, I did the prowl in just about every venue you can imagine. From the classic (Laundramats, grocery stores, flea markets) to the unusual/extreme (The hotel bar, hotel sauna, my bathtub at an area hotel - Damn thing seated six! :lol: ). Personals, done it. Dating service, done it. "Hey, babe, you wanna fuck?" *SLAP*, done it.

I've found internet relationships somewhat satisfying (Though most never pan out to an actual meeting), mostly because I tend to express thoughts better via the written/typed word (And draw the same clarity in return) than I do in person. Think: Ernest Hemingway on the page, Gomer Pyle in the flesh. :? Even if you don't get down and dirty, it's nice to have someone lucid to chat with now and again. Let's face it, all the big tits, tight asses, and arm-thick schlongs in the world aren't going to mean much if the person attached has trouble deciphering the instructions on a shampoo bottle.

I have met, in person, a handlful of people I've met on the net. Though most have just been friendly dinner meetings/'dates' (You know who you are :P ), a couple have gone further. Spent a lovely few months/couple of years with a 3G (Gay GG) I met in a chatroom on AOL and have very fine memories thereof (She drifted away and got back with a former lover).

I also had the exceptional good fortune to spend time with a fascinating boi that I stumbled on while searching for "hermaphrodite" in the AOL Member Directory (I'm such a slut!). Intersexed (Born GG, but with an odd chromosme mix that made him as much male as female), he was super-intelligent and creative and, due to his mixed biology, gave off gender vibes that fired all cylinders for me (I am bi and he gave off an aura that defied gender definition). Alas, he was hyper and autistic and I am ADD and aloof, so we found each other sitting at opposite ends of the bed, playing with ourselves (But not each other). Go figure. :roll: A high note: He went on to be very active in several gender positive organizations, including ISNA, the Intersex Society of North America ( www.isna.org/ ).

I just wish he'd call 'home' once in a while. :?

So, yah, shopping in the wrong store won't get you what you're looking for, but it's not a clear rule and often gets challenged by fate.

The key issue is the acceptance of transsexuals or transgendered people by society at large. Until such time as they are accepted and accorded the same rights and opportunities as others, transsexuals, who let's face it need to make a living, will in many cases be confined to the sex industry. As Vicki said earlier, that immediately puts some pretty significant restraints on the types of relationships that they can enjoy.

Clearly it varies from country to country, but even gays aren't universally accepted yet, so I think (unfortunately) it may be a long while yet before people don't bat an eyelid at seeing guys and tgirls in public, surely a prerequisite of more "normal" relationships. (By in public, I mean outside the confines of clubs or gay/TG "hotspots").

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

For the first 3-4 years of posting I didn't have a tag line for my site, but I did have a web site. Then other girls were doing it, and a lot of it. It became the defacto standard. My posts here tend to have more meaning and substance a greater percentage of the time than most other girls who have something to sell. Also keep in mind that this site used to have actual banners for many of the girls posting here that rotated on their referral program. They did away with that too. So honestly, if I add value to the forum, I really don't mind having a link in my sig.

You are right about what you mention. I am definitely not saying that most TS who come from a lower social class desire what I have commented on here. They aren't very forward thinking in many cases. If you read any of Megabody's posts on "hood rats" you will know what the girls like. So yes, if you goto a sex party where the theme is TS are sex objects, then you are probably not going to meet your LTR girl there. 99.9% of these girls are prostitutes and you are a trick. After all is said and done, a guy wanting a relationship with a prostitute could just be a trick who wants free sex and is insincere.

Are you going to enable her to give up her escorting somehow... someday? Have you been labeled a bottom by girls in that environment when most girls, preference wise, are secretly bottoms themselves? All these things add up. Unfortunately, for myself, I could never have a loving long term relationship with a bottom guy, no matter how nice or rich he was, because someday I will get SRS and then I can't compete with dick and the need for it that some guys have. I have no problem with guys of any sexuality and I think it's great for guys to do whatever gets them off. However, we all have to be realists.

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Vicki, i see that you tend to take up discussion about LTR much more and more for every new
post you do. Are you changing your direction, is working in the sex industry something
you are trying to abandon at this point? I still think and believe that you are worth
something much much better then being a sex worker. But i might be wrong.

Also, this is kind of first post (that i know) where you are admitting your plannes to
do SRS at some point in your life. What "conditions" are you expecting to be fulfilled
in order to make that step? What are you waiting for, in other words?

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Originally Posted by McManaman

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

For the first 3-4 years of posting I didn't have a tag line for my site, but I did have a web site. Then other girls were doing it, and a lot of it. It became the defacto standard. My posts here tend to have more meaning and substance a greater percentage of the time than most other girls who have something to sell. Also keep in mind that this site used to have actual banners for many of the girls posting here that rotated on their referral program. They did away with that too. So honestly, if I add value to the forum, I really don't mind having a link in my sig.

You are right about what you mention. I am definitely not saying that most TS who come from a lower social class desire what I have commented on here. They aren't very forward thinking in many cases. If you read any of Megabody's posts on "hood rats" you will know what the girls like. So yes, if you goto a sex party where the theme is TS are sex objects, then you are probably not going to meet your LTR girl there. 99.9% of these girls are prostitutes and you are a trick. After all is said and done, a guy wanting a relationship with a prostitute could just be a trick who wants free sex and is insincere.

Are you going to enable her to give up her escorting somehow... someday? Have you been labeled a bottom by girls in that environment when most girls, preference wise, are secretly bottoms themselves? All these things add up. Unfortunately, for myself, I could never have a loving long term relationship with a bottom guy, no matter how nice or rich he was, because someday I will get SRS and then I can't compete with dick and the need for it that some guys have. I have no problem with guys of any sexuality and I think it's great for guys to do whatever gets them off. However, we all have to be realists.

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Vicki, i see that you tend to take up discussion about LTR much more and more for every new
post you do. Are you changing your direction, is working in the sex industry something
you are trying to abandon at this point? I still think and believe that you are worth
something much much better then being a sex worker. But i might be wrong.

Also, this is kind of first post (that i know) where you are admitting your plannes to
do SRS at some point in your life. What "conditions" are you expecting to be fulfilled
in order to make that step? What are you waiting for, in other words?

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Hey SuperMcManaman, I'll field this one and she can correct me if I'm wrong (it's a public forum, after all).

Every girl thinks about a LTR eventually, most every TS girl plans for SRS someday, and there's nothing wrong with being in the sex industry.

And this isn't her first post concerning SRS, here or from what I remember elsewhere. She has gone on and on about SRS on several occasions. Can't blame a girl for that, it is a pretty huge deal, and a very important and personal objective.

:wink:

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Originally Posted by Shelf

The key issue is the acceptance of transsexuals or transgendered people by society at large. Until such time as they are accepted and accorded the same rights and opportunities as others, transsexuals, who let's face it need to make a living, will in many cases be confined to the sex industry. As Vicki said earlier, that immediately puts some pretty significant restraints on the types of relationships that they can enjoy.

Clearly it varies from country to country, but even gays aren't universally accepted yet, so I think (unfortunately) it may be a long while yet before people don't bat an eyelid at seeing guys and tgirls in public, surely a prerequisite of more "normal" relationships. (By in public, I mean outside the confines of clubs or gay/TG "hotspots").

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This IS the root reason for this discussion. We are all victimized by it. And until we start to positively claim our place in society, nothing will change.

I am going to argue a few points. The reason gay guys can have a happy relationship is because in most cases they aren't sex workers. It isn't a societal stigma. As I said before, TS outside of the industry have often had happy healthy relationships. This removes jealousy and a whole variety of human emotions which can take place.

I hate hearing, "society isn't ready". I also hate hearing that girls can't do anything but sex work. Get an education and there are companies who want you to work for them because you help them fill certain quota's which show they hire a diverse workforce. The fact is, most sex workers I know have no desire to get out of that work. Why should they? What other job can girls (or almost anyone) pull down $5-$10k on a good week for doing something which sometimes is fun. I know girls in their 40's still escorting and doing pretty well. Someday that drops off and it's a good idea to have a backup plan beforehand.

Maybe society isn't ready for the big baratone, chip on their shoulder, unpassable, angry transsexual to come into the workforce demanding instant acceptance and equality. However, graciousness can go a long way. I don't knock anyone for doing sex work. It's great work for making money quickly which can finance surgery - which can greatly enhance the quality of life for a TS. It can also finance formal education. I don't think you see a lot of people with bachelors degrees pan handling.

Anyway, the discussion is whether TS can have a happy relationship, and I say, of course. However, any sex worker, TS or otherwise are in for a long difficult road if that is a goal.

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

I am going to argue a few points. The reason gay guys can have a happy relationship is because in most cases they aren't sex workers. It isn't a societal stigma. As I said before, TS outside of the industry have often had happy healthy relationships. This removes jealousy and a whole variety of human emotions which can take place.

I hate hearing, "society isn't ready". I also hate hearing that girls can't do anything but sex work. Get an education and there are companies who want you to work for them because you help them fill certain quota's which show they hire a diverse workforce. The fact is, most sex workers I know have no desire to get out of that work. Why should they? What other job can girls (or almost anyone) pull down $5-$10k on a good week for doing something which sometimes is fun. I know girls in their 40's still escorting and doing pretty well. Someday that drops off and it's a good idea to have a backup plan beforehand.

Maybe society isn't ready for the big baratone, chip on their shoulder, unpassable, angry transsexual to come into the workforce demanding instant acceptance and equality. However, graciousness can go a long way. I don't knock anyone for doing sex work. It's great work for making money quickly which can finance surgery - which can greatly enhance the quality of life for a TS. It can also finance formal education. I don't think you see a lot of people with bachelors degrees pan handling.

Anyway, the discussion is whether TS can have a happy relationship, and I say, of course. However, any sex worker, TS or otherwise are in for a long difficult road if that is a goal.

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Society and it's role:
I say NO: You can not blame a person's look compared to her inner perceptions. It's (and i absolutely
do not try to insult anyone here - keep that in mind) equal claiming that a handicapped person without a hand is not passable,
and if we want our Society to accept such person, then he\she must get an artificial hand that's pretty much alike the "original"
one. I say no. It is the role and duty of Society to take care of all individuals equally, no matter what.

So, you think that pulling down $5-$10k on some "good" weeks doing that funny thing is a well payed business compared to
what is being sold? We people are so different.

.....a long difficult road if that is a goal.....

Are you on that jurney?

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

I am going to argue a few points. The reason gay guys can have a happy relationship is because in most cases they aren't sex workers. It isn't a societal stigma. As I said before, TS outside of the industry have often had happy healthy relationships. This removes jealousy and a whole variety of human emotions which can take place.

I hate hearing, "society isn't ready". I also hate hearing that girls can't do anything but sex work. Get an education and there are companies who want you to work for them because you help them fill certain quota's which show they hire a diverse workforce. The fact is, most sex workers I know have no desire to get out of that work. Why should they? What other job can girls (or almost anyone) pull down $5-$10k on a good week for doing something which sometimes is fun. I know girls in their 40's still escorting and doing pretty well. Someday that drops off and it's a good idea to have a backup plan beforehand.

Maybe society isn't ready for the big baratone, chip on their shoulder, unpassable, angry transsexual to come into the workforce demanding instant acceptance and equality. However, graciousness can go a long way. I don't knock anyone for doing sex work. It's great work for making money quickly which can finance surgery - which can greatly enhance the quality of life for a TS. It can also finance formal education. I don't think you see a lot of people with bachelors degrees pan handling.

Anyway, the discussion is whether TS can have a happy relationship, and I say, of course. However, any sex worker, TS or otherwise are in for a long difficult road if that is a goal.

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I respectfully disagree, Vicki.

I am not knocking sex workers at all. In fact, I'm all for legalization of it...it would end much of the misery, stigma, and sickness related to it.

And while you may hate hearing "society isn't ready", it's not. In fact in your first paragraph above you made very clear what my main point is. Society accepts gay men and women as they are part of the normal machinations of it. Every single person out there knows or works with someone who is gay. On the flip side, not every single person out there knows a transsexual. So, when they go to the porn store, or the internet, or look at escort ads, many times this is their only contact with transsexuals.

So, yeah, society isn't ready to open its doors because their main point of reference for transsexuals is porn and sex work. Now, if it was politicians, activists, scientists, actively creative people that were the transsexuals (and there are many who are these things) people saw all the time, it would go a long way towards making society ready to accept.

Again, not knocking sex work or porn...all for it. But where's the balance? Where?