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I may understand why you got yourself confused. Hence some tips to break it down so even you can understand:Quote:
Originally Posted by BBaggins06
Go back to page 9, then read my posts and Trish's posts very very slowly (very big emphasis on slowly here), Note: taking notes may help you in this process, then repeat this methodology (n times) until you feel confident that you know I wasn't talking to myself. Probably it would be hard for you to come to such conclusion. In such case, you're just going to have to believe this assertion par value.
A lively discussion is definitely beyond your mental faculties.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBaggins06
A picture may help
If you bring Bush into this you better consult Murphy's Law!
(this should give Prospero grey hairs!!! ha ha)
lol...what's up with all these laws in this AM. :hide-1:Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger
I shouldn't have posted that bush picture
Stephen A. Smith, on ESPN, which normally discusses sports, agreeing with me that the media did not report what was actually happening in the court room. He was initially very angry with the verdict, but then looked for himself to see what the testimony actually was, and now understands the verdict based on the evidence that was submitted in court.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67WhBlXssUA
I'm pretty sure every black person in the USA understands the verdict and is angry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Queens Guy
My friends and I grew up as long-hared pot smoking looking guys, and we had a few years there where cops were not always the good guys.
As a white person, I see racism as only one of fifty problems in the US,
and there are plenty of times I think some black people have tunnel vision when it comes to race, and that's part of the problem.
The only reason Travon Martin got shot was because he ran into fuckin George Zimmerman. Those are the facts.
It's a fact that black people are trying to milk the situation to their advantage. On the other hand, racial profiling is exercised by cops everywhere in this country. It is a sad fact, but the anger should NOT be directed at Zimmerman. As based on the evidence presented: Racial profiling was never part of this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger
Maybe instead of demonstrations against GZ and demonstrations to limit gun laws, people should demonstrate against racial profiling used by Police. Just few weeks ago, the blogosphere was ripe of complaints against LAPD's brutality in the case of Officer Dorner. If you'll remember they have shot two old Hispanic women without identifying their target. Why don't people leave GZ alone and try to change the way certain police departments treat Citizens.
Zimmerman has no power over people's lives, the police do however and most of the time they can mess up someone's future.
One thing the women may not have had much empathy for Black people. Someone told me of an interview with a juror, who said that she did not understand some of Martin's friend he was talking to on the phone, Rachel's language. There was a strategic effort to damage her credibility, before she even testified, then the defense badgered her enough to distract attention from her story in the court room. But her testimony was the only other first hand version. I think the fact that she told of Martin's "cracker" statement showed that she was willing to speak the truth. Apparently people don't understand how, Black teens talk to one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by be2378
Martin had far less rights than Zimmerman. Martin had a toxology report, which was used against him, but Zimmerman didn't get one, the night of the death, and his drug history was excluded from court evidence, I believe, as were other historical things like his legal history. Martin's school history was used, but what was Zimmerman's school record? Was he ever suspended? Martin had no duty to retreat home, specifically because of "Stand your ground", yet this is much more often mentioned as a right of Zimmerman. Martin's phone records were used, but not Zimmerman's, outside of the 9-11 calls. I thought some expert said that voices had a 'unique print', yet evidence from experts hired by the prosecution were excluded. Whereas Zimmerman, did not have to be cross examined, the only counter-version, was subject of a five hour cross examination. So the only major way to point Zimmerman's inconsistencies, was in closing arguments. I not sure how much this was even laid out, by prosecution. It would have been my main focus, if I was.
Sympathy and empathy are related. I was told the the woman juror, who was interviewed said she felt sorry for Zimmerman. She didnt understand the prosecutions main wittness. My observer said that she did not sound very bright, although I think her husband is a lawyer.
He was white until this incident; only then did he become "Hispanic". Chances are Zimmerman never checked "Other" on a form asking for his race or ethnonym.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic
As I said in another thread, you are one confused self-loathing White man, natina. Does Zimmerman remind you of you? Is that really why you want him dead? How ironic would it have been for you to be one of the victims of that flash mob robbery attack right by you last night?Quote:
Originally Posted by natina
at my home and in the neighborhood we have armed security response
well before the police even show up. there are a few celebritys that stay near me
:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep
Finally, the conversation about race in America we need
African Americans have waited patiently for a president to speak the truth about the racism we experience. At last, we heard it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...n-race-america
Tim Wise Responds to the "Some-of-my-best-friends-are black" Defense:
Tim Wise Responds to the "Some-of-my-best-friends-are black" Defense - YouTube
here is a few more good ones
having black friends but still biased
playing the Friendship Card: White Lies, White Denial and the Reality of Racism...
I swear, if I hear one more transparently racist person insist they aren’t racist because they have black friends, I am going to shoot them. But not because I’m violent. I’m not violent. And this I know because I have friends who are pacifists.
Yes, this is a joke, but seriously, it’s getting just about that stupid, ....
http://www.timwise.org/2012/04/playi...ity-of-racism/
Tim Wise Responds to the "Some-of-my-best-friends-are black" Defense...
http://whitelikememovie.org
To help us make sense of the Zimmerman verdict and the conversations surrounding it, we looked to Tim Wise for some answers. Here he reacts to the assertions made by defenders of Zimmerman suggesting he couldn't possibly be influenced by race because he has black friends, dated an African American girl and mentored black children.
For more discussion of the Zimmerman verdict, check out MEF's blog: http://www.mediaed.org/blog/?p=2661
Tim Wise Responds to the "Some-of-my-best-friends-are black" Defense - YouTube
Piers Morgan destroys Robert Zimmerman 2013
Piers Morgan destroys Robert Zimmerman 2013 - YouTube
Trayvon Martin & Zimmerman Attorneys Trash Robert Zimmerman Racist Tweets. CNN - YouTube
this is important because george zimmerman made racist remarks at work against blacks,mexicans and arabs.
there is also some other evidence of zimmermans racial bias/bigotry
Tim Wise Responds to the "Some-of-my-best-friends-are black" Defense...
http://whitelikememovie.org
To help us make sense of the Zimmerman verdict and the conversations surrounding it, we looked to Tim Wise for some answers. Here he reacts to the assertions made by defenders of Zimmerman suggesting he couldn't possibly be influenced by race because he has black friends, dated an African American girl and mentored black children.
For more discussion of the Zimmerman verdict, check out MEF's blog: http://www.mediaed.org/blog/?p=2661
Tim Wise Responds to the "Some-of-my-best-friends-are black" Defense - YouTube
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/...lly_white.html
White People Support Academic Meritocracy When It Benefits Them, Study Suggests
Do white people only support traditional definitions of meritocracy when it benefits them? A new study suggests so.
University of Miami professor Frank L. Samson looked at the idea of meritocracy through the lens of admissions standards in the University of California system. He found that white participants changed their ideas of what was meritocratic based on what benefitted white, as opposed to Asian-American, applicants.
After learning whites made up a majority of students at a school, half of the study's participants were asked to evaluate the importance of academic achievement when they were assessing university applicants. The participants related that universities should place high value on an applicant's standardized test scores and class rank.
Other study participants were told that Asian-Americans are disproportionately admitted to the school. These participants related that less weight should be placed on an applicant's academics.
The study concludes that, “the shift to an Asian American plurality provoked a reaction that caused white evaluators to create an altered standard when weighing the academic merits of college applicants.”
These results come at a time when affirmative action -- designed to further the opportunities of groups that have been historically discriminated against -- is being hotly debated. Some opponents of the practice argue that admissions should simply be based on concrete, meritocratic standards. However, as the study reveals, what is considered meritocratic to some may simply be based on what benefits the group with whom they most identify.
Minority groups are expected to become a majority of America's population by 2042, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. As the study notes, this demographic shift may force universities to learn how to guard “against pressures from the dominant group reacting to a perceived drop from their dominant group position.”
The study, "Altering Public University Admission Standards to Preserve White Group Position in the United States: Results from a Laboratory Experiment," was published in the Comparative Education Review.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...ces&ref=topbar
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Originally Posted by Ben
Video title should read 'Zimmerman got back his gun he used to defend himself and stop the attack from Trayvon". He has the right to get his firearm back and it seemed to work good to me. Hopefully he never has to use it again.
He never did have to use it. That's the tragedy.
Here is a story of someone, who was followed by a vehicle as a teenager.Quote:
Originally Posted by 95racer
by some sick guy in a blue car. (true story). the first thing in my mind when I was being followed was (I don't want this guy to know where I live), I still have that clear memory of it. so what did I do? I grabbed the biggest rock I could find and when he came around again slowly I threw it at his window and smashed it. he raced off and I ran home. this is a true story. I remember my heart was racing. my point here is when I hear the attorneys say travon should have gone home, that's totally wrong. you must be in some ones shoes to know the fear of that. travon had rights to act or feel a certain way. and the prosecutors did a horrible job of bringing that point across.
Another comment from the same article:
I had the same experience. I was young..maybe 16 or 17. I did not go home either.. I walked into a store and called my parents. Who called police and they all met me there. About 10 years later, as a young Private Investigator, I was taught/trained.. that if I ever felt uncomfortable or felt I was being folloewed.. to drive to the nearest Police Dept.not our office, not home or to anyone connected to me. Never allow anyone to observe or know where you live or where you friends/family lives either. Period. I agree completely.
It was reasonable for Trayvonn to feel fear at being followed. Not only was he followed in a vehicle, but also on foot, after he made an attempt to lose Zimmerman. And Martin had no legal obligation to keep running. I still wonder if Zimmerman ever identified himself to Martin. But even if he did, how would Martin know that he was telling the truth. But even if Zimmerman did say he was a neighborhood watch person, others have committed crimes, by identifying themselves as in some official capacity, which was a lie. I once had a person pull a gun on me, claiming to be a parole officer. I was in a locked vehicle and he was outside with the gun to the window, telling me to get out of it. I just froze, and he left after a police car pulled up in the lot, without saying a word.
Why is it against Neighborhood watch rules to carry a gun, while performing duties? Hopefully Zimmerman won't continue to follow people around, especially while carrying his gun. Hopefully he wont identify someone as a criminal based solely on looks. Lots of people walk while carrying things in their hands, especially those coming from a store.
I am going to be rude and suggest every American's ass is a piece of American history, but that this doesn't mean every American should put theirs up for auction. There are times when one wonders what passes for moral decency in modern society, it is absent here.
Extracts from the article:
George Zimmerman has listed the gun with which he killed Trayvon Martin in 2012 for auction, touting it as “your opportunity to own a piece of American history”...
Zimmerman listed “the firearm that was used to defend my life and end the brutal attack from Trayvon Martin” on GunBroker.com on Thursday, with bidding scheduled to begin at 11am EDT on Thursday.
He wrote in the item description that it had recently been returned to him by the Department of Justice and was fully functional....
Zimmerman wrote that he was “proud to announce” that a portion of the proceeds raised would be used to “fight BLM [Black Lives Matter] violence against Law Enforcement officers” as well as ending the career of Angela Corey, his prosecutor – “and Hillary Clinton’s anti-firearm rhetoric”.
He signed off “your friend, George M. Zimmerman” and “Si vis pacem, para bellum” – the Latin adage, “If you want peace, prepare for war”.
Full article here-
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...in-gun-auction
Thanks for the link, Stavros. 'Just lost my appetite for breakfast this morning.
It's hard to imagine, at this point in time, that he can make himself into a bigger douchebag than he already is...but I'm sure he'll continue to raise the bar to new heights.
The audacity is somewhat astounding (regardless on where you stand on the verdict)...
...but after a while, you run into so many douchebags in life that you just become a little numb.
I wish he would just spontaneously combust already.
Even sadder is that people bid
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-50m/84319096/
I interpret the article differently than you. I believe the people bidding were against the sale and so bid the item up to really large amounts with no intention of buying it. I think they were derailing the auction.Quote:
Originally Posted by martin48
LOL....Wait, wait, wait!!!....was this the dead giveaway?: The top bidder at one point used the screen name “Racist McShootface.”:grin::grin::grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
...I agree.
A depressing thought is that Zimmerman engages in these publicity stunts because he thinks he is important and that the US ought to be reminded of this 'fact'. Now his attempt to sell the gun has failed, one wonders if at a later stage, this year or next, he will concoct another stunt to re-insert himself into the public consciousness.
George should be featured in your thread titled, "what a ASS."