Do TS's think they're 'better' than CD/TVs?

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

Crossdressing is a fetish. Maybe some CDs transition to F/T, but they're usually sketchy transbians who never want SRS.

Drag queens and gay men are often primary, and become post-op transsexuals more often; not guys with nothing to live for who jerk off in panties and take birth control pills. Those are guys who were failures as men so they suddenly take a permanent vacation from reality.

Like I said recently here on HA, I used to not buy into primary and secondary transsexualism. But now I really do. Lots of porn trannies seem to be secondary; yet another reason for me to have no remorse about no longer actively wanting to do porn. CDs and secondaries are really just attention-seeking perverts. I don't hold it against them, but I don't want to associate with them IRL.

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Secundary transbians form the majority in europe of all transsexuals(80%) and they do get srs, all of them !!...actually: transwoman only into men and feminine from birth are very rare...
Transbians usually functioned VERY well as males..since they were not teased or disriminated against because they were normal even extremely masculine males...

I dont feel better then anyone...not even better then Nicole allthough she treats people like shit...
I do feel different from cross dressers...
I even feel different from the drag queens and trannies that had found themselves as gay men...i never did...

Also a lot of so called straight m2f end up dating other trannies....seen that happen a lot....
Projection issues or a narcissistic need who knows..

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Originally Posted by BrendaQG

Such a pissing contest is a really masculine thing to do.

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Not as masculine as going back to being a guy every few months, like you do.

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Originally Posted by KittyPride

Secundary transbians form the majority in europe of all transsexuals(80%) and they do get srs, all of them !!...actually: transwoman only into men and feminine from birth are very rare...
Transbians usually functioned VERY well as males..since they were not teased or disriminated against because they were normal even extremely masculine males...

I dont feel better then anyone...not even better then Nicole allthough she treats people like shit...
I do feel different from cross dressers...
I even feel different from the drag queens and trannies that had found themselves as gay men...i never did...

Also a lot of so called straight m2f end up dating other trannies....seen that happen a lot....
Projection issues or a narcissistic need who knows..

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I treat you like shit because you're just some dude pretending to be a TS. lol You've had plenty of time to prove otherwise, and you can't.

So your opinion doesn't really count, cartoon face. Please stay out of the conversation, dudarino. You were an overly-opinionated jackass when you called yourself "phobun" too. And you never backed up a word of that nonsense either.

So STFU now with all of these theories of yours. Thanks.

Oyea and tlovers/chasers are often crossdressers and Transbians....

Ive seen it happen a lot...europian man goes to thailand...marries a beautifull TS...the TS woman thinks she married a sweet and romantic guy...leaves her country for him only to find out that she was just an object to project his desires on...
Guy spends all his money on FFS and SRS.....

This happens A LOT
Be warned girls !

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Originally Posted by KittyPride

Oyea and tlovers/chasers are often crossdressers and Transbians....

Ive seen it happen a lot...europian man goes to thailand...marries a beautifull TS...the TS woman thinks she married a sweet and romantic guy...leaves her country for him only to find out that she was just an object to project his desires on...
Guy spends all his money on FFS and SRS.....

This happens A LOT
Be warned girls !

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We don't need advice from you, sir.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

I treat you like shit because you're just some dude pretending to be a TS. lol You've had plenty of time to prove otherwise, and you can't.

So your opinion doesn't really count, cartoon face. Please stay out of the conversation, dudarino. You were an overly-opinionated jackass when you called yourself "phobun" too. And you never backed up a word of that nonsense either.

So STFU now with all of these theories of yours. Thanks.

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So how do i need to prove it?
A picture does not prove it...
Could be anybody's...

I also invited a few people here to watch me on skype on webcam...but none were interested...
Dont feel like doing that anyway...
Im being confused with other people...thanks to you...
And a lot here are just plain hostile...

And you Nicole should be defending the girls here instead of the guys...

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

Not as masculine as going back to being a guy every few months, like you do.

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You treat that girl like shit too Nicole...
And its true...she is right...it IS masculine...

Gg compete out of insecurity...most Tgirls compete out of feelings of superiority...
You haven demonstrated you are one of them...

Why do you treat brenda this bad btw?
If that is her in her avatar she looks better then you...wow so crossdressers are actually better then old TS gargoyles like you...wow...

I don't think I'm better than cross dressers, but we're totally different. Cross dressers are men who like to dress as women occasionally for fun (as far as I know.. correct me if I'm wrong) and I'm just a woman who wasn't born the way I should have been. I think some trans girls might act like they're better than cross dressers because they just want to prove that they ARE women and the cross dressers aren't, and to an extent I can understand that.. because as a trans girl I don't want to be compared to a man, because I'm not one. Again, I don't know much about cross dressers, and I'm just basing this off what I do know or think I know, hope I don't offend anyone :)

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Originally Posted by KittyPride

I also invited a few people here to watch me on skype on webcam...but none were interested...

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Invite me to watch you on webcam - I'll validate you.

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Originally Posted by KittyPride

And you Nicole should be defending the girls here instead of the guys...

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Yeah, ok. Defend people just because they share your gender, even when they're wrong. That makes a lot of sense. We should all do that. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Invite me to watch you on webcam - I'll validate you.

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You kinky little voyeur, you. ;)

~BB~

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Originally Posted by Murderous-marge

A transsexual puts time, ALOT of money and she gives up on alot of shit that most people find valuable to live her life as who she is. A transsexual feels she was born in the wrong body and identifies as a female. A cross dresser/tv dresses up for a sexual thrill, for some quick cash or for some other reason not relating to gender identity.
A man who would have sexual relationships with a cd/tv and then have sex with a ts and say it is the same thing would be insulting to a transsexual woman. Since they give up years of their life to become who they know they are inside, and don't forget the thousands of dollars on hormones, surgery, therapy and clothing. Plus you add the fact that one internally feels like a man so by sleeping with a cd/tv your sleeping with a gay man with a wig and makeup.
Not many gg's accept men who sleep with gay men so I can understand why a ts wouldn't accept it either.

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The best post in the whole thread! Couldnt agree more, i have nothing personal against tv's it is just something totally different then a ts.I think is just kinda weird that you put on a dress and a wig to get laid but hey who i a to judge lol.And men that are into tv's or cd''s are just plain gay not matter what they say when the dress goes out and wigs comes off your still fucking Joe instead of Jane lol

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Invite me to watch you on webcam - I'll validate you.

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But can you be trusted ?
Lol

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Originally Posted by KittyPride

You treat that girl like shit too Nicole...
And its true...she is right...it IS masculine...

Gg compete out of insecurity...most Tgirls compete out of feelings of superiority...
You haven demonstrated you are one of them...

Why do you treat brenda this bad btw?
If that is her in her avatar she looks better then you...wow so crossdressers are actually better then old TS gargoyles like you...wow...

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Hontis has a history of violence, mentally illness, and is a liability and an embarrassment to all transsexuals.

Now mind your own business please. Once again, you have nothing to contribute. And you're mentally ill as well. Just go away.

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Originally Posted by maddygirl

I don't think I'm better than cross dressers, but we're totally different. Cross dressers are men who like to dress as women occasionally for fun (as far as I know.. correct me if I'm wrong) and I'm just a woman who wasn't born the way I should have been. I think some trans girls might act like they're better than cross dressers because they just want to prove that they ARE women and the cross dressers aren't, and to an extent I can understand that.. because as a trans girl I don't want to be compared to a man, because I'm not one. Again, I don't know much about cross dressers, and I'm just basing this off what I do know or think I know, hope I don't offend anyone :)

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You're a smart girl, Maddy, and you express yourself well. That will stand you in good stead for the challenges that lie ahead.

I guess my issue is with Bella's original question and the meaning of "better" in this context. Isn't it entirely subjective and individual? It implies a collective consciousness and a "community" which probably doesn't exist in an organised sense.

It also depends to a large extent on the motivation. Many CD's live in constant fear of being found out. The others who sell themselves for sex don't by and large have those concerns. It's pretty much the same with tgirls - as Nicole said, most just want to get on with their lives. You can't generalise* when there's a definite distinction between the private and the public such as exists here.

*Yup, and I've just generalised at the top of the same para. Oh well....lol

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Originally Posted by KittyPride

But can you be trusted ?
Lol

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Its not like he has a habit of posting video of transwomen all over the internet... :dancing:

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Originally Posted by Wendy Summers

Its not like he has a habit of posting video of transwomen all over the internet... :dancing:

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Its not worth the risk... and Nicole has lost all credit with me... so I wont be doing it for her... and she is the only one that is desperate to know if Im real... lol

But I dont care anymore... its just not worth it...

Aw, thank you:)

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Originally Posted by KittyPride

Its not worth the risk... and Nicole has lost all credit with me... so I wont be doing it for her... and she is the only one that is desperate to know if Im real... lol

But I dont care anymore... its just not worth it...

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"Credit"? You have no credit with anyone here, phobun. lol

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Originally Posted by sensuelle

The best post in the whole thread! Couldnt agree more, i have nothing personal against tv's it is just something totally different then a ts.I think is just kinda weird that you put on a dress and a wig to get laid but hey who i a to judge lol.And men that are into tv's or cd''s are just plain gay not matter what they say when the dress goes out and wigs comes off your still fucking Joe instead of Jane lol

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This is just too big a generalisation for me not to comment. I always thought I knew a lot about the trans-scene, but at my age the only thing I've learnt is there are not stereo types. Not every TV puts on a dress and a wig for the same reason. The elements that begin people on their way to transition are different.

So it isn't just that a TV is different to a TS, but TV's are different from other TV's. TS's are different from other TS's. TV's and TS's are definitely different.

I'm sure some TS's consider themselves better than TV's, but for all the right reasons. The one thing that all TV's have in common for all their differences is that they have a 'fetish'. It's only reasonable for a TS to want to disassociate themselves and their life from a group of people with a fetish.

It's really for the TV community to understand that and not take it personally.

I think they are better. I would not have a damn thing to do with a CD/TV. TS think they are women, or so I have been led to understand over the years. CD/TV just get off on the freakiness of dressing like a woman.

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Originally Posted by ashymon

I think they are better. I would not have a damn thing to do with a CD/TV. TS think they are women, or so I have been led to understand over the years. CD/TV just get off on the freakiness of dressing like a woman.

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Again, that is just a generalisation that you've made based on a group of people of which you have had nothing to do with. (In your own words, not mine) So therefore, you're unlikely to show any indepth understanding of what they do and why they do it.

Spend 17 years like I have in the trans community, and you'll understand that there is nothing to understand. There are no hard and fast rules governing what people are. Even TVs dress for very different reasons to get very different returns.

I think TS do think they are better because the transformation is harder and takes longer, and they don't see CD/TV as real women.

i think only TS like Sunshyne think this way.

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Originally Posted by bruceleefan

they don't see CD/TV as real women.

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Do YOU? I don't... doesn't mean i call them men or by their male name when they are dressed up. But they aren't women.

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Originally Posted by KittyPride

But can you be trusted ?
Lol

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I can be trusted to say whether I saw a real tgirl on cam or not.
Until you do, I'll put you down as a troll also.

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Originally Posted by Teydyn

Do YOU? I don't... doesn't mean i call them men or by their male name when they are dressed up. But they aren't women.

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Exactly. You don't have to accept a person's self identification. You need only to respect it. That's a well made distinction there.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by bruceleefan

I think TS do think they are better because the transformation is harder and takes longer, and they don't see CD/TV as real women.

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Define 'Better'. Do you mean they think they are better people? I think we should all know better than to look down on people because they are different.

There isn't really another way of comparing a TS or a TV, because they are two completely different things. One is a man, and one is a woman. So if a TS is looking down on a TV because they are more woman, then equally a TV can look down on a TS because they are more man. It really is an apple looking down on an orange for being an orange.

If someone is looking down on someone else for being who they want to be, when they themselves have been through so much to be who they want to be, then they should probably sit down and think through that.

But I don't think it's fair to say most TS's 'look down' on them and it is fairer to say they just want to assert their gender identity as different to a clothes fetish in a world which sometimes tries to class them together.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

You don't have to accept a person's self identification. You need only to respect it.

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CD/TV don't identify as women, do they? Dressed up they play the role of a women, but they are still male inside.

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Originally Posted by Teydyn

CD/TV don't identify as women, do they? Dressed up they play the role of a women, but they are still male inside.

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As I said earlier, it really depends on the TV. Being a fetish, there isn't a single defining TV which can be held up to describe all of them.

I would say "better" in the sense that doing things simply for a sexual thrill is not as admirable or impressive as being a self-actualized human being who's redefined their birth gender.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

I would say "better" in the sense that doing things simply for a sexual thrill is not as admirable or impressive as being a self-actualized human being who's redefined their birth gender.

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Transvestism is not always a sexual thrill, and is in fact many things. There are countless manifestations because it is orginiated from one of a number of almost infinite brain developments. Therefore a TS is no better position to talk about what it is to be a TV than a TV knows what it is like to live their life as a TS.

Their is reasonable evidence to suggest that Transexuals have medical traits which indicate they are already inclined to the sex they identify with.

So being a TS is physical, while being a TV is something completely neurological. Like I say, for this reason TS's have every reason to want to make that distinction. Being a TS is something very medical and physical. Being a TV is not medical...unless you're a TS who decided not to make the change and still dress to identify... yes this is fuck side more complicated and this is why we should avoid using labels to generalise people altogether!

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Originally Posted by jennylicious

Transvestism is not always a sexual thrill, and is in fact many things. There are countless manifestations because it is orginiated from one of a number of almost infinite brain developments. Therefore a TS is no better position to talk about what it is to be a TV than a TV knows what it is like to live their life as a TS.

Their is reasonable evidence to suggest that Transexuals have medical traits which indicate they are already inclined to the sex they identify with.

So being a TS is physical, while being a TV is something completely neurological. Like I say, for this reason TS's have every reason to want to make that distinction. Being a TS is something very medical and physical. Being a TV is not medical...unless you're a TS who decided not to make the change and still dress to identify... yes this is fuck side more complicated and this is why we should avoid using labels to generalise people altogether!

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I think the problem arises when people compare cross dressers with transsexuals. We're women, and cross dressers identify as men... we don't want to be compared to men, that's insulting (and would be to any woman). It's not a matter of one being better than the other, it's a matter of one being women and the other being men.

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Originally Posted by jennylicious

Transvestism is not always a sexual thrill, and is in fact many things. There are countless manifestations because it is orginiated from one of a number of almost infinite brain developments. Therefore a TS is no better position to talk about what it is to be a TV than a TV knows what it is like to live their life as a TS.

Their is reasonable evidence to suggest that Transexuals have medical traits which indicate they are already inclined to the sex they identify with.

So being a TS is physical, while being a TV is something completely neurological. Like I say, for this reason TS's have every reason to want to make that distinction. Being a TS is something very medical and physical. Being a TV is not medical...unless you're a TS who decided not to make the change and still dress to identify... yes this is fuck side more complicated and this is why we should avoid using labels to generalise people altogether!

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Actually, I do think that you can make one huge generalization; the people who want to dress like women purely for a sexual thrill are a liability to transsexuals, transvestites, and drag queens. I may be perverse in terms of the B&D sex games I like to play. But the way I dress leaves me limp below the waist. I was more along the lines of, say, Pete Burns or one of these twinks that Ben posts so many photos of. I don't know what you call that. A fem boy maybe?

Someone told me that I was "genderfuct", which meant that I was androgynous and gender non-committal. That made sense to me. I never hid how I looked. I don't think I've owned a pair of boy's jeans or sunglasses since I was about 13. I've always liked makeup and getting my nails done. But I never did it for a sexual thrill. I got away with a lot, living in Manhattan where no one really cared. The whole taboo element of it was somewhat non-existent in the world I lived in.

But from what I understand, that's the real difference between a CD and a TV; a TV is just being who they are. So is a TS. But a CD gets horny from secretly, or sometimes not-so secretly, dressing as a caricature of a woman. To me, that's more like a Silence of the Lambs thing. I don't want to be associated with a part-time perversion.

And I mean that they're a liability in the sense that we do NOT want our gender identity to be thought of as a hobby that gives us an erection. CDs are so deep in the closet that they don't even understand their motivations. They briefly escape into their fantasy world, jek off, and then get right back to their wives and kids, etc. That's why, for example, we have so many of them coming to a place like HA, thinking they're "just one of the girls". They don't often bother thinking the complexities of it through. It's usually just a cheap, quick thrill for them.

And they basically confuse people, because they themselves are often so confused. And that slows down the process of the general public understanding and accepting us.

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Originally Posted by lovegolf22

Nicole... this is Hunter1959 from SDforme... we have exchanged mail there... can we chat at some point?

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Hey. I just wrote you. :)

Take a look at your PMs here.

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Originally Posted by NatashaLover

Not Better but Different. No one in this planet is any better than anyone. But people have to understand that TS and CDs are very different. Sometimes people think that CDs are transsexuals without "tits" LOL and TS are transsexuals with "tits" LOL
At least that was the answer from a guy I asked. LOL :)

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According to this: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7132322AAPshie
in simple language:
- TS is a woman who was born with man's body
- TG is someone who has problems defining his gender, but if its guy, its guy and if its woman its woman
- TV is only a guy who likes to wear women's clothes

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Originally Posted by maddygirl

I think the problem arises when people compare cross dressers with transsexuals. We're women, and cross dressers identify as men... we don't want to be compared to men, that's insulting (and would be to any woman). It's not a matter of one being better than the other, it's a matter of one being women and the other being men.

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Well thats true but i have noticed for myself that the best way for me to live is accept that i am a transsexual (as well as woman) because having to be something im not for someone that expects nothing else can put an undesired and wrong pressure on a relationship.... So to be selfconsciouss as a TS and thereby accepting that for some people TS will be mistaken by some for a TV is what was part of what made it work for me...

If i am shouting that im a real woman and i look down on CD's i hardly make myself more convincing as a woman...

Its a tactic....
In the same way i communicate with people i am close with that i am a ts with a female mind but a ts nevertheless and that i want to be with someone that has no problem with that...makes it muuuch easier for me to have no problem with it....

Makes life easier and comes more naturally then having to feel forced to prove you are a woman to a heterosexual man...its not that easy... You work harder on yourself and your looks...maybe become more insecure on the way etc...

Sometimes its best not to bet so high to get a million.
You get more acknowledgement for your gender when you dont force others to perceive you as such and when you give another the freedom of how they choose to see you and let them feel either way is fine there is a big chance they will only notice the woman you are...just the woman you are....

Dont try to convince anyone...just be yourself...thats my life's philosofy...and anyway...you dont have anything to prove anyway ...