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Ethiopia: Thousands of Muslims Rampage After Alleged Koran Desecration, Five Christian Churches Burned Down..

Washington — International Christian Concern (ICC) has learned that in the past two days, thousands of Muslims have razed five churches and the homes of two evangelists in Asendabo, Ethiopia. Christian leaders are asking for protection after the Muslim attackers continued burning churches even after the federal police were sent to the town.
The Muslims started the attacks yesterday after falsely accusing the Christians of desecrating the Qur’an. More than ten thousand Muslims shouted “Allah Akbar” (Allah is great) as they burned down five evangelical churches. The government sent the federal police force to protect the Christians after the Muslims burned down the first three churches. The Muslims overwhelmed the police force and burned down two more churches today.
Speaking with ICC, Christian leaders expressed their fear that Muslims will start killing the Christians unless the government sends more security forces to contain the Muslim attackers.
At the time of the writing of this report, none of the Muslim attackers have been arrested. The government officials detained some Christians and took them to the nearby Jimma town stating that they need to do that for their own security.
Ethiopia is a Christian majority country and was one of the first nations to accept Christianity. However, in the areas of the country where Muslims are the majority, Christians face attacks.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index...7-ca4e53848127


From the ranking member of The Homeland Security Committe. Maybe Trish, Hippie and that other reprobate aren't all that concerned, but thankfully someone is.

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The above link undermines the point of your prejudice. Senator Susan Collins, Ranking Republican on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee said...” This plot is yet another example of radicalized extremists working to do us harm from within our borders.” Senator Collins is certainly not warning us that Muslims are despicable, nor is she making the claim that Islam preaches war, nor is she peddling any of the other bigoted shit that you're peddling. Walking into the capitol building and shooting the guards, flying a plane into an IRS building and blowing up a Federal building and a daycare center in Oklahoma are also acts of terrorism by radicalized extremists.

I pay Senator Collins to be concerned. I'm happy to see her do her job and at the same time stay within the bounds of the rational behavior and the U.S. Constitution. I travel quite a bit in Europe and South America. I have an interest in the safety of airline travel (both from a security standpoint and a safety regulations standpoint). If there were a "scale of concern" I'd be more concerned my flight will crash because of a systems failure than because an explosion triggered by a terrorist on board. Being a black transgender woman, I'm have more concern about encounters with bigots with pickup trucks than any of the above concerns. Still, I'm not so concerned that I'm pissing my pants about it at every fucking opportunity. How many of these threads against Muslim's have you participated in to date??

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One doesn't need a memo to tell you not to walk down a dark alley with a bunch of thugs are hanging out getting high, you just inherently know the deal...and you don't need a memo to know what this was.

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According to your reasoning, those evangelicals didn't need a memo to tell them not to settle in Muslim dominated Asendabo, Ethiopia. When you start treating people equally, we might start to take your arguments seriously.

I still haven't seen any evidence of an overt conspiracy with this Texas bozo. Interesting how under current political rhetorical silliness, it's a "plot" when a Muslim does it, but it's almost always a "lone wolf" when a skinhead klan/nazi does it.

Hippie how come so many people want to over throw your government.We don't have people wanting to commit terrorism in Australia except for tea towel heads.Is there something wrong with America?

Goes back to John Calhoun's nonsense & the southern rebellion. There's always a group of malcontents who want to force others to live by their ideology. Unlike some underpopulated hick outpost like upsidedownunder, there's over 300 million people here. Of course there's going to be some bozos who want to go backward & drag the country with them. They're a woeful minority. There's no actual support for armed rebellion in the US. We have an armed populace. Who's side do you suppose they'd take if these morons actually started shooting the place up?

Sorry hippie are these bozos and malcontents are bad because they are against your government or bad for what they believe in and what do they believe in?What should be done with these people?Shoot them or put them in re-education camps or psychiatric facilities or ship them off to the mines or prison?

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Originally Posted by hippifried

I still haven't seen any evidence of an overt conspiracy with this Texas bozo. Interesting how under current political rhetorical silliness, it's a "plot" when a Muslim does it, but it's almost always a "lone wolf" when a skinhead klan/nazi does it.

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http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/03/tw...eda-group.html

Guys like you are asleep at the switch, or in denial. ( see above link) Maybe it's burn out...I'm not sure, but you're ignorant, and your ignorance has beget danger.

Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano ( both of whom I'm no fans of) have told us more than once that they, and thier departments are extremely concerned about home grown Islamic
terrorism. But you....well you shrug your shoulders and light up another blunt. I was just watching the evening news...and there to my delight was a gathering in Times Square to protest Congressman King's upcoming hearings. There they were...the well intentioned, yet political neophyte Russell Simmons, The World Trade Center Mosque folks all singing the National Anthem. Strange but I have not seen that before. Where were they holding hands and singing after some of the Islamic attacks? Why do they fear King's hearings so much? We hear this term "moderate Muslims" all the time, but we don't hear the moderate Muslims. That is what Mr. King will be exploring.

Here is what Mr. Holder said . I urge you to read it and get educated.......Seems he's worried, But some others on here.........Nah....what's the big deal ??.....they're just lone wolves. What...me worry ? Get your heads ouuta your asses !


Attorney General Eric Holder: Threat of Homegrown Terrorism "Keeps Me Up At Night"


Posted by Lucy Madison 15 comments
In an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America," U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder spoke of the ongoing fight to protect American national security and expressed his growing concern with the threat of homegrown terror - a danger which he said "keeps me up at night."

"What I am trying to do in this interview is to make people aware of the fact that the threat is real, the threat is different, the threat is constant," Holder told ABC's Pierre Thomas, in an interview that aired Tuesday morning.

"The threat has changed from simply worrying about foreigners coming here, to worrying about people in the United States, American citizens -- raised here, born here, and who for whatever reason, have decided that they are going to become radicalized and take up arms against the nation in which they were born," Holder added.

The attorney general said that of 126 people who have been charged with allegations related to terrorism in the past 24 months, 50 had been American citizens.

"It is one of the things that keeps me up at night," Holder said. "You didn't worry about this even two years ago -- about individuals, about Americans, to the extent that we now do. And -- that is of -- of great concern."

Holder noted that while he was confident in the United States' counter-terrorism efforts, Americans "have to be prepared for potentially bad news."

"The terrorists only have to be successful once," he said.

Holder pointed to Anwar Al Awlaki, a radical Islamic cleric and dual U.S.-Yemeni citizen, as so dangerous as to be considered among the ranks of Osama bin Laden.

"He would be on the same list with bin Laden," Holder said of Al Awlaki. "He's up there. I don't know whether he's one, two, three, four -- I don't know. But he's certainly on the list of the people who worry me the most."

As a U.S. citizen, Holder said, Awlaki possesses a degree of familiarity with American culture that most foreign terrorists lack. And he has been a common link, Holder says, among many American-bred converts to al Qaeda-tied groups.

"He's an extremely dangerous man," Holder said. "He has shown a desire to harm the United States, a desire to strike the homeland of the United States... He is a person who -- as an American citizen -- is familiar with this country and he brings a dimension, because of that American familiarity, that others do not."

"The ability to go into your basement, turn on your computer, find a site that has this kind of hatred spewed ... they have an ability to take somebody who is perhaps just interested, perhaps just on the edge, and take them over to the other side," Holder added of Awlaki and his associates' ability to reach potential converts through the Internet.

Holder dismissed criticism of recent FBI sting operations, which some have argued employed the use of illegal "entrapment," offering that "options are always given all along the way for them to say, 'You know what, I have changed my mind. I don't want to do it.'"

"I have to have all those tools available to me to try to keep the American people safe, and to do the job that I'm supposed to do as a 21st century attorney general," Holder said. "We are doing everything that we possibly can to keep the American people safe...We are vigilant, we are doing everything we can to keep our homeland secure."

When asked about WikiLeaks and the potential prosecution of Julian Assange, Holder said, "it's an ongoing investigation."

"What Wikileaks did, at the end of the day, was harmful to American security, put American agents and properties ... at risk ... and I think for arrogant and misguided reasons," he said.

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Originally Posted by russtafa

Sorry hippie are these bozos and malcontents are bad because they are against your government or bad for what they believe in and what do they believe in?What should be done with these people?Shoot them or put them in re-education camps or psychiatric facilities or ship them off to the mines or prison?

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They're bad because they're stupid & too stupid to know it. They're bad because they want to cause the United States to become disunited, & broken into a bunch of independent countries with no commonality. They want to destroy the country by "Balkanizing" it. They want to create cultural separations where there aren't any & keep the States in perpetual conflict with each other. The klan/nazis are organized terrorists. The only difference between them & alQaeda is language & who they've chosen to hate & take their insecurities out on.

But this is the USA, where it's not illegal to be stupid or even insane. You can pretty much talk all the smack you want as long you don't carry out the actions. This isn't Europe or the British Empire, where people get locked up for being assholes. We don't "grant" rights. The founding principle of the US is that rights are innate, & governance is just a tool for making things easier on the general population. Granted, fascism has taken a big bite of the general mindset, but I refuse to buy the idea that it's a consensus. It'll pass. There won't be a shootin' revolution, because we have the choice to overthrow the government every 2 years. The klan/nazis will continue to piss & moan. They managed to infest the teaparty movement, but that won't last. Basically, they're cowards. When the hype dies down, they'll crawl back under their rocks & hide like they always do when they return to the irrelevance they earned. Don't believe everything you see on the internet or the idiot box. In the end, all the ideology is horseshit as long as the founding principle remains.

The British empire! Hippie king George the fifth is dead and you guys won your war of independence.The British empire is over it no longer exists.

Oh, I know the empire is dust. If you think about it, we started the cavalcade. But the Commonwealth is still under British rule to a major extent. Not us. We're not part of that at all. We didn't just reject British rule. We rejected the entire European concept of "rule". We're not European at all, & that needs to be understood when trying to lump us in with this idea of "the west". There's a huge difference between "rule" & governance. What you're seeing all over the underdeveloped world right now is the rejection of "rule". Imperialism has never been beneficial to those subjected to it through force. It stifles growth.

I don't believe that's entirely accurate Hippiefried for a number of reasons. The commonwealth is not under British rule or dominion it's members are all fully independent.

Of course America is not European, nor is Australia or Canada. They are however all members of the West. Noone depicts the West as entirely homogenous it's members all have vastly differing cultures but share as an overriding imperative to those differences a dedication to democracy in one form or another.

I'm not sure if it's your intention but you seem to be under the impresssion that places such as Australia and Canada do not govern themselves but are instead ruled. Nothing could be further from the truth whether in the commnwealth or Europe.

Rights are ill defined concepts at best and the American constitution guarrantees them no more or less than say Britain does. There is plenty of room for interpretation and indeed simply change deliberately built into it's structure.

Hippie is a true American patriot and is waiting for the British to invade cause he knows they are evil lol

I admit there's no love loss between me & the "British Empire" or any empire really, including our own. Imperialism is counterproductive. Commonwealth countries, regardless of how much autonomy the have in governance, are still part of the prime nation that granted them that status. It's not that hard to understand. We have our own commonwealth outside our shores. Not as extensive of course, because we've only been at this "empire" thingie for a century or so, & those commonwealth nations were taken by kicking the shit out of Europeans for the most part. A commonwealth is not a confederacy. It's part of the prime country. People of the US commonwealth are American citizens. The British Commonwealth is part of the crown.

As for rights: It's one of those things that's hard to define, but you know it when you see it. People make the mistake of thinking that the US Constitution is a list of rights. Not so. It's a list of powers & restrictions on the power of government, as well as the blueprint for government structure. The 9th Amendment (the least looked at or discussed) makes it very clear that the written Constitution is NOT a "just these" list. What makes us different from Europe & the eurocentric is the fundamental founding premise that rights are not granted by the state. That they are innate & unalienable, whether the state officially recognizes them or not. Rights have no borders. They belong to individual human beings because they are human beings. It's the power of the state that's a grant from the people. The state itself, as a political entity, has no rights. The "right of kings" is & always was a philosophical myth.

Another myth is that democracy is a "western" (meaning European) ideal. How so? The European monarchy system didn't collapse until the last century, except for a few that were overthrown via bloodbath. The French for example. They beheaded all the royalty & any relations they could find, who might be able to make a claim to the throne. The rejection of "rule" shouldn't require such measures. It's really too bad that it so often does. I'm an otimist though. I see the rise of free people gaining strength with each generation. One of the perks of getting old with an intact memory I guess.

It is not the British commonwealth though Hippifried it is the commonwealth of nations. The individual, independent countries that comprise it do so entirely of their own volition and at their own discretion. Those who are subjects of the crown are so because they choose to be. It's a method of democracy.

The difference between Europe and America is,if you wish to be jingostic that you are slaves to the whims and beliefs of men long dead. Except of course that is not the case as those same individuals understood that ideally future generations should be masters of their own destiny and so deliberately gave you the power to change the constitution as you see fit, to think for yourselves. Your rights are thereore no more guaranteed tha,for example,my own. All rights are a myth and there existence stretches as far as we are willing to place faith in them and to what extent one is willing to place that faith.

It's not a myth you sem to misunderstand the term Demcracy. There are many forms of Democracy just as there are many forms of Republic. I would presume you would resent the impication your nation is no different to the republic of China or north korea. I would hope you woud have heard of the English civil war as well,the birthplace of modern democracy and the subsequent basis of our, and many other constitutional monarchies. The West is entirely made up of democracies hence it's occasionally rather loose alliance.
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Also I fail to see why you interpret Western as European.

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Originally Posted by wendell

Also I fail to see why you interpret Western as European.

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Because that's what it is, when describing what is known as traditional western culture. Of course none of that means anything these days because all y'all're tripping over yourselves in the rush to become as American as possible since the end of WWII. So I guess "western culture" is in the process of becoming real western, but it's going to take a while for Europeans & eurocentrics to understand the nature of rights, apparently.

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I would presume you would resent the impication your nation is no different to the republic of China or north korea.

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Not really. I just find that kind of tripe amusing, coming from those who have no earthly clue what the US is really about.

No it isn't. The West consists of some European countries, America, Australia and Canada and depending on individual tastes sometimes one or two others. Jingoism and propoganda nearly always blind individuals to truth. There has been no rush to become American since world war 2 i'd be intertested to see what you mean by that. Do you perhaps define America as McDonalds? Is that the essence of what America is?

As I told you Western culture consists of a number of countries that hold the same ideological values, democracy, but implement it in various ways. Your pig ignorance of what rights are and how they are defined in Europe as well as apparently your own country is inexcusable for anyone who has access to the internet.

I'm afraid I do know what the U.S. is about and rather sadly clearly more than you do youerslef whicvh is why you've failed to provide a rebuttal to the corrections I have made to your bleatings aboiut subjects you are ignorant of. Next time you craft a reply to me ensure you do some research into the Commonwealth of nations, Constitutional monarchies, The English Civil war, how rights are protected and defined in countries other than your own, and in point of fact how they are protected in your own nation... Then you won't embarrass yourslef so much next time and perpetuate the sterotype [unjustified] that Americans are less intelligent than their European counterparts. Which for someone as sensitively jingostic as you seem to be should be a high priority.

Hey hippie the British soldiers don't wear red coat's any more.So don't try waiting for them with your squirrel gun lol.

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

YouTube - Muslim Demographics

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Interesting.... :)

1.7% - America's Muslim Population 2030

Population projections by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life estimate that the number of Muslims in the U.S will more than double over the next two decades, rising from 2.6 million in 2010 to 6.2 million in 2030, and growing as a share from 0.8% of the total population to 1.7%. The growth in population is in large part due to immigration and higher-than-average fertility among Muslims. The estimated growth will put the American Muslim population on par with the Jewish and Episcopalian populations in the U.S today. These population projections also show that the U.S. will be one of 79 countries with a million or more Muslims in 2030. A majority of the world's Muslims (about 60%) will continue to live in the Asia-Pacific region, about 20% will live in the Middle East and North Africa (as is the case today), 2.7% will reside in Europe and 0.5% will live in the Americas.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano ( both of whom I'm no fans of) have told us more than once that they, and thier departments are extremely concerned about home grown Islamic terrorism. But you....well you shrug your shoulders and light up another blunt.

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So, when Janet Napolitano is concerned about Islamic radicals, she's on the right track, but when she's concerned about right-wing radicals, you mouthbreathers go apeshit:

Statement by U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano on the Threat of Right-Wing Extremism

I'll repeat a couple of entirely reasonable challenges that you have thus far failed to address in any way whatsoever:

1. Say something, anything, about right-wing Christian terrorism. You've been offered many, many, many examples of Christian terror from which to choose. So just do it. It's not difficult. Just say, "Eric Rudolph is a misguided psycho," or "Scott Roeder should rot in jail." Anything, at all, to show that you're not completely indifferent to Alice Hawthorne or George Tiller or any of the other victims of Christian terror…

2. Find a single statement that I've made in support of radical Islam or Islamic terrorism. Just one. Even half-hearted support will suffice. You keep throwing out these accusations without any support beyond your inept and ungrammatical rhetoric.

In fact, what you’ll find is that I repeatedly and explicitly reject violence:

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Originally Posted by thombergeron

Let me try to state this very simply for you. I despise terrorism, Muslim, Christian, or otherwise. But al Qaeda is maybe a couple of thousand guys. The other 999,998,000 Muslims, I don’t really have a problem with. I wish they didn’t insist on wasting humanity’s time with this superstitious bullshit, but I feel the same way about Christians, Jews, etc.

I have never once attempted to “mitigate” attacks by radical Islam, nor have I ever defended such attacks, nor apologized for them, nor offered any excuse for violence committed against civilians in any way whatsoever. I defy you to offer a single shred of evidence of my “support” of fanaticism by any group, at all, ever. I uniformly condemn religious extremism in all forms, and I think that all religions are a cancer on humanity.

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By way of contrast, you can’t even be arsed to murmur, “That’s a shame” or words to that effect, when informed of children being raped and murdered by the Christian Lord’s Resistance Army. When presented with an article about numerous black people being dragged to death by white people, your response is, Well, the victim should have made better choices.

So I ask you, who is it shrugging their shoulders?

Here's the full article:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1872/mus...de-fast-growth

YouTube - Nothing to Fear but Fear Itself

Here's an easy one for you. Back in 2005, August Kreis, a leader of the Christian terror group Aryan Nations wanted to hook up with al Qaeda:

An unholy alliance: Aryan Nation leader reaches out to al Qaeda

So here's your opportunity to condemn Christian terror while still hating on the wogs. It's win-win!

So when somebody tried to blow up the MLK Day parade in Seattle last month with a bomb laced with rat poison, everybody knew it would turn out to be some filthy raghead here on a student visa, right? I mean, “you don’t need to know which way the wind blows” right?

Oh, wait….

Stevens County man charged with attempted MLK Day bombing in Spokane

Not surprised that you've given up on this thread. In the future, when you find yourself in a hole, you might consider not digging any deeper.

Good luck with the literacy thing.

The Philippines is still haveing trouble with islamic insergents

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Originally Posted by thombergeron

So, when Janet Napolitano is concerned about Islamic radicals, she's on the right track, but when she's concerned about right-wing radicals, you mouthbreathers go apeshit:

Statement by U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano on the Threat of Right-Wing Extremism

I'll repeat a couple of entirely reasonable challenges that you have thus far failed to address in any way whatsoever:

1. Say something, anything, about right-wing Christian terrorism. You've been offered many, many, many examples of Christian terror from which to choose. So just do it. It's not difficult. Just say, "Eric Rudolph is a misguided psycho," or "Scott Roeder should rot in jail." Anything, at all, to show that you're not completely indifferent to Alice Hawthorne or George Tiller or any of the other victims of Christian terror…

2. Find a single statement that I've made in support of radical Islam or Islamic terrorism. Just one. Even half-hearted support will suffice. You keep throwing out these accusations without any support beyond your inept and ungrammatical rhetoric.

In fact, what you’ll find is that I repeatedly and explicitly reject violence:



By way of contrast, you can’t even be arsed to murmur, “That’s a shame” or words to that effect, when informed of children being raped and murdered by the Christian Lord’s Resistance Army. When presented with an article about numerous black people being dragged to death by white people, your response is, Well, the victim should have made better choices.

So I ask you, who is it shrugging their shoulders?

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you're one of the few people I truly despise on here. You're a one tune blow hard. Run anything past your nose and give you a whiff, and your response is to somehow bring some extreme right wing "christian" group into the mix. In your sick, tormented, anti Christian mind, you could create some sort of conflation to explain away 911. That's a sickness. You try to create some sort of moral equilivency to make your point...you do it constantly. You're the same used scumbag who tried to say I condoned what occured to that lady that was dragged to death when I never even mentioned her in my post. You just did it again. You remain a misinformed, hateful piece of human waste. FLUSH>>> Do you have any friends...or do you just sit home all day reading HA and press releases from the Southern Poverty Law Center? Ahhhhh that felt so good !!!

the left loves muslims wish they would go and live with them in saudi

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Originally Posted by russtafa

the left loves muslims wish they would go and live with them in saudi

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It's not about loving Muslims per se; its about treating everyone with repspect and dignity, unless they are breaking laws. Its about wanting for others, the same things, I want for myself.

Hey, I don't love or hate any fucking religion. I refuse to hate. But I do love yodajazz for supporting the equality and dignity of all law abiding people. I know for many contributors to this thread its all about hate and those nasty people who refuse to hate along with them. But you're way off base. It's about wanting for others, the same things, I want for myself.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

you're one of the few people I truly despise on here. You're a one tune blow hard.

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I believe what you meant to say is “one-note blowhard.“ But son, you're on record as hating a billion people, so the fact that you despise me has no meaning at all. Besides, what was it JC said to the Pharisees? Something about loving thy neighbor, as I recall. Maybe you’re not as good a Christian as you think you are.

Nonetheless, I can see how I might make you uncomfortable. I am forcing you to confront your own hypocrisy. You think Muslims should be held collectively responsible for the actions of a few, and yet you steadfastly refuse to apply the same standard to others with whom you share ideology/theology/etc. Unfortunately, that makes you a hypocrite. You can despise me for pointing that out, but it doesn't make you less of a hypocrite. The only thing that's going to make you less of a hypocrite is for you to adopt a non-hypocritical attitude.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Run anything past your nose and give you a whiff, and your response is to somehow bring some extreme right wing "christian" group into the mix.

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See, this is what we call projection, kiddo. You’re not running “anything past [my] nose,” you’re specifically posting individual stories of extreme right-wing Muslims. Under the circumstances, it seems relevant to point out the simple existence of extreme right-wing Christians. But, clearly, these simple facts are more than your fevered little mind can handle, so you respond by projecting your own hateful inadequacy onto me.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

you could create some sort of conflation to explain away 911.

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Again, I have never done anything like this. I have never once excused, apologized for, nor “explained away” violence of any kind. I have asked you repeatedly to back up your accusations with things that I have actually said, and you have signally failed to do so.

You, on the other hand:

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

That's obviously the difference between you and me. One doesn't need a memo to tell you not to walk down a dark alley with a bunch of thugs are hanging out getting high, you just inherently know the deal

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And yet…

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

You're the same used scumbag who tried to say I condoned what occured to that lady that was dragged to death when I never even mentioned her in my post.

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The thing about a written dialog is that you can’t later go back and claim you didn’t say something that you actually said. “Occurred” has two r’s, by the way.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Do you have any friends...or do you just sit home all day reading HA and press releases from the Southern Poverty Law Center? Ahhhhh that felt so good !!!

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Ummmmm…. Kiddo, you have been here half as long as I have and you have five times as many posts. So who is it that’s on here all day? If it had been me, I would have checked something like that before making that kind of a statement. But then, you don’t come across as a very thoughtful person.

See, here’s the thing. I’m a big believer in evidence. And in order to believe that Christianity is somehow morally superior to Islam, you have to ignore evidence, as you have so insistently done for the last… 20 pages of this thread.

So, here's your ass. Let me know when you’re done adding me to your “Despise List,” and we can get back to discussing things like evidence and facts.

Its not about hate it is about avoiding the problems of of having muslims in the country

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Originally Posted by russtafa

Its not about hate it is about avoiding the problems of of having muslims in the country

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that makes about as much sense as the ramblings of the "sheet monkeys" over here.

Well if there were no muslims in our countries there would be no terrorist's to worry about. How simple is that hippie,put that in your pipe and smoke it

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Originally Posted by russtafa

Well if there were no muslims in our countries there would be no terrorist's to worry about. How simple is that hippie,put that in your pipe and smoke it

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Oh It's very simple. I wouldn't expect anything else from you except simplistic childish bullshit. It's still a lie though.

Why a lie Mr know it all hippie?lol

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Originally Posted by thombergeron

I believe what you meant to say is “one-note blowhard.“ But son, you're on record as hating a billion people, so the fact that you despise me has no meaning at all. Besides, what was it JC said to the Pharisees? Something about loving thy neighbor, as I recall. Maybe you’re not as good a Christian as you think you are.

Nonetheless, I can see how I might make you uncomfortable. I am forcing you to confront your own hypocrisy. You think Muslims should be held collectively responsible for the actions of a few, and yet you steadfastly refuse to apply the same standard to others with whom you share ideology/theology/etc. Unfortunately, that makes you a hypocrite. You can despise me for pointing that out, but it doesn't make you less of a hypocrite. The only thing that's going to make you less of a hypocrite is for you to adopt a non-hypocritical attitude.



See, this is what we call projection, kiddo. You’re not running “anything past [my] nose,” you’re specifically posting individual stories of extreme right-wing Muslims. Under the circumstances, it seems relevant to point out the simple existence of extreme right-wing Christians. But, clearly, these simple facts are more than your fevered little mind can handle, so you respond by projecting your own hateful inadequacy onto me.



Again, I have never done anything like this. I have never once excused, apologized for, nor “explained away” violence of any kind. I have asked you repeatedly to back up your accusations with things that I have actually said, and you have signally failed to do so.

You, on the other hand:



And yet…



The thing about a written dialog is that you can’t later go back and claim you didn’t say something that you actually said. “Occurred” has two r’s, by the way.



Ummmmm…. Kiddo, you have been here half as long as I have and you have five times as many posts. So who is it that’s on here all day? If it had been me, I would have checked something like that before making that kind of a statement. But then, you don’t come across as a very thoughtful person.

See, here’s the thing. I’m a big believer in evidence. And in order to believe that Christianity is somehow morally superior to Islam, you have to ignore evidence, as you have so insistently done for the last… 20 pages of this thread.

So, here's your ass. Let me know when you’re done adding me to your “Despise List,” and we can get back to discussing things like evidence and facts.

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Let me put it to you this way....I don't dislike anyone on here. These are political, ideological discussions, and they should be passionate. But you're a first....I find myself loathing you to the point of rejoicing in your demise. Maybe I need confession? LMAO ...I looked back at some of your posts.....The vast majority of them are on 2 subjects.. your vociferous, rigorous defense of Muslims...all Muslims, or your frequent Christian bashing. Other than that, you're pretty much a blank slate. On posts on the General board, you're almost non existent. On posts that many participate in like Kelly Shore's "Tell us a little about yourself" or Where are you from"....you're a no show as far as I can tell....correct me if I'm wrong. Why are you here? What's your deal? You definitely have a problem with Christians to the point of bigotry. This post really isn't an attempt to solicit a response. You're whole gig is pretty revolting and very predictable so save it....I'm not interested. You're persona non grata. :fu:

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Originally Posted by russtafa

Why a lie Mr know it all hippie?lol

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Well I can't speak for the sparsely populated islands of usidedownia, because... Well frankly, I just don't care enough to even look up the stats. But here in America, we've been infested with terrorists for many decades, & they aren't Muslims for the most part.

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Originally Posted by hippifried

Well I can't speak for the sparsely populated islands of usidedownia, because... Well frankly, I just don't care enough to even look up the stats. But here in America, we've been infested with terrorists for many decades, & they aren't Muslims for the most part.

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Not to mention 16,000+ murders in years 2006-09 is the US, plus 30,000 a year from car accidents. There is more danger from reckless cell phone use.