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Originally Posted by tsntx
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So true!Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
Every human emotion is subjective, that is weak argument. It's like saying that standing in the middle of a busy motorway is not really a bad idea because it is subjective, most people see it as a bad idea but because someone views it differently it can't actually be a bad idea, well the fact is, it is a bad idea! Anyone with sense can see that, just as anyone with sense can see that being attracted to a cross dresser is gay, and being attracted to Transwomen is not!Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashysmashY
I just had a conversation with a beautiful, smart, young and bright TS, and she agrees with me too.
P.S read my signature, I changed it just for people like you!
now you are going to tell me what a weak argument is? please don't put yourself in this position. saying that standing in the street is a bad idea is completely subjective because it's affected by your personal views. if someone wanted to die then standing in the street would be a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by lust4ts
the vast majority of people must have no sense then according to you because the majority of people wold say you're a homo. oh wait, but their view is only based on biological fact and not your superior method of emotional appeal.
Exacty my point, everything is subjective. If someone wants to be gay, fucking a cross dresser is a very good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashysmashY
If someone wants to be straight fucking a women or transwomen is a very good idea!
OK, lets have this right. Would you fuck me if I looked good in a wig and makeup? Please answer!
if u like someone or are attracted to someone who is ok w/ being a man ... youre a 'mo
if you like someone or are attracted to someone who identifies 100% of the time as a woman, lives as a woman, even tho biologically they are male.... youre a 'mo in someones eyes... but not mine
honey we all know the guys argueing against you dont need you to look GOOD in a wig... they just need you in one ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by lust4ts
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Originally Posted by tsntx
Shit, now that is a scary thought, but very true all the same!
but you said that standing in the street being bad was not subjective. you said it was fact. but it is subjective just like your designation of gay and straight which is also affected by your personal views.
this is not complicated
stop propositioning me. i never said i would even sleep with the person in the video and i wouldn't sleep with you either but it has nothing to do with your BELIEFS about what your gender is.
THE FACTS MR. S
Being a transsexual we all pay a price!
The National suicide rate is 3 per 100,000 people
The transsexual suicide rate is 31 %
Over 50 % of transsexuals will have had at least one suicide attempt
by their twentieth birthday.
Even more self harm themselves daily by either cutting or self mutilation
Transexualism often manifests itself as a dysphoria toward ones biological sex, as well as conflict living in ones social role.
If untreated, it can lead to mental and emotional problems and sometimes suicide.
Researchers have estimated that 40 % of untreated transsexual people are either institutionalized or die prematurely.
Researchers have also studied transexual brains to their NEEDED gender and came up with similarites on size and the parts they used! It's not just a FEELING it's our WHOLE BEING! We pay a price everyday by being judged and yet we REMAIN!
It's not a FEELING!!! It's NOT A WANT!!!
IT'S A NEED, ITS A INSTINCT, ITS WHO WE ALWAYS WERE!
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Originally Posted by lust4ts
Dude, I'm not trying to fight with you, but I think you are seriously on thin ice with this one.
You come up with all these definitions and notions based only on how YOU think they SHOULD be. That does not make it a fact, no matter how much you wish it to be. The FACT is, most people would catagorize you as a homosexual (gay) if you are attracted to a penis, or fantasize about having a penis in your mouth or up your ass. I'm not going to call you a faggot, but please allow others the same respect for THEIR self identity.
Here is something I found that I found interesting:
The sexual spectrum. Sexuality is not confined to just three little categories of homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual. The "Kinsey Scale," developed by Alfred Kinsey, has been used by sex researchers since the 1950s. The scale ranges from 0 to 6, with a person who is 100% heterosexual being 0 to a person who is 100% homosexual being 6. The original scale took into account only actual physical contact with partners — but updated versions include fantasy, love, and self-identification. This scale is necessary for scientific research, but even a 7-point scale seems a bit too rigid and defined to apply to an individual's complex personal life. (Reinisch, Kinsey Institute New Report on Sex, 1990.)
Even the professionals realize that not everything is Black & White, like you want it to be.
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Originally Posted by lust4ts
Oh well.... then I guess that CERTAINLY proves you right.
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kelly don't call me mr s anymore please. those statistics have nothing to do with what i'm talking about. i never told anyone to change their peculiar beliefs. i'm just saying its your point of view not fact.
It is facts. You just see it as a girl/guy getting on hormones and getting surgeries BECAUSE THEY DECIDE to do it. YOU SEE IT AS A DECISION.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashysmashY
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Originally Posted by SmashysmashY
its also fact that not every fag in drag is a woman or wants to be a woman... and it shouldnt be assumed so either
I'm not trying to fight with you either, I have no problem with society viewing me as gay, they can think what they like, I know that I am attracted to real people and not an image that is falsified by a wig and makeup.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueBeauty TS
Even you can define the difference, right? Can you not see what is staring you in the face. The blond girl with the nice hair and pretty lips does not exist, it is simply a guy who is pretending to be that, and only for a certain amount of time in the day. So that is why I see it as being gay.
A transwomen who lives and commits to being a female is a real person, and as much as the outside world wants to look at me as being gay for being attracted to them I do not feel it in the slightest.
Look it comes down to this, I believe and base all my respect in this, that a transwomen can truly become a women. I don't believe that a part time crossdresser can ever truly become a women if that is the way he chooses to live his life.
Take Peggy Gee for example, a true lady and women, how is having sex with her in any way the same as having sex with that cross dresser in the video, despite what the dictionary says, anyone can see they are a world apart :roll:
Okay going back to my original opinion maybe I should of worded it better!
If you do not have the need to be the oppisite sex than what you were born, than you are to ME a CROSSDRESSER
Thus making the guy sleeping with someone that does not identify as a woman, and does it for the feel of panties, sexual purposes, fun, and/or for the glamour of it. MAKES THAT GUY GAY
I have no issue or making fun of it...JUST STATING A FACT!!
how do you know what i see it as? i never said any of that. i said that somebody being transgendered is based on their feelings and feelings aren't facts. and if you want to say who's gay or not based on that then it becomes subjective. only the individual knows what they feel. and you don't what cross dressers feel and if you did you couldn't compare it to what somebody else feels.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
just go put on a pair of panties already, and stop arguing we aren't judging you. Do what you got to do hon.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashysmashY
i never said that everyone that puts on ladies clothes wants to be a woman. i said that their wanting to be a woman is not my basis for saying who's gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
this place is like a cult. if you don't accept everyone else's beliefs you are insulted and shunned.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
no just when ure wrong :D
[/quote]this place is like a cult. if you don't accept everyone else's beliefs you are insulted and shunned.
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Lol, I see another goodbye thread coming!Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
tsntx i will give up all my beliefs for a couple handfuls of that booty. just kidding i can't be wrong nobody can because we're basing everything on feelings now.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
Instinct..a dier need to be who we always were! You can't help who you are, you just are! You can't help you are sexually attracted to, you're attracted to them no matter how hard you put it in the back of your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashysmashY
hows this for "feelings"Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashysmashY
i, a transexual woman of 4.5yrs, find it INCREDIBLY insulting and nothing makes me FEEL more disgusted, more frustrated, more like ive wasted my money and my time, more like a fucking fag in drag ... then hearing a bunch of guys say the same thing about a CD as they do a TS
did i really spend $30k so i could live, eat, shit, pass, and function as a woman and be accepted as a woman by society and the men that make up this stupid board JUST TO LEARN THAT I COULD HAVE FUCKING STAYED LOOKING LIKE *see picture* THIS AND PUT ON A STUPID WIG AND SOME CHEAP ASS LIPSTICK AND I WOULD BE GETTING JUST AS MUCH RESPECT, ADMERATION, AND APPLAUSE FROM YALL???
it makes no difference? do you assholes realise how much easier ANY OF OUR *real ts's* LIVES WOULD BE HAD WE ALL JUST STAYED FUCKING MEN?
if i knew i would get seen the SAME FUCKING WAY whether i looked like this *pic a* or this *pic b* by the majority of society ... i would have just stayed that way.... everything would have been so much more simple....
this is why i say men that ACTUALLY date ts women understand the difference.... the rest of you fags just need the appearance to stay in the fantasy, you dont really want anything other then a cock in 'pretty' package... and thats why as far as im concerned this topic, at least for me, IS OVER... the guys that sympathize and understand where im coming from and appreciate the work we put into ourselves already know this... and the losers that dont and argue against me for fags in drag ... are fags... and thus not worth anymore of time... i charge douchebags that like to play pretend... and the trial offer is up.
do you understand NOW what the fuck were *ts's* upset about when you fags say shit like this thread?
Not all guys are like that here, there are many who appreciate you as real women and leave the cross dressers to the people who define feminism as a wig and a good make up job.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
Very good post, you just kicked ass!
True Beauty got it right. The Kinsey Scale
0= Total Straight
6= Total Gay
0 - Not in denial about anything. sex with anything but a woman has never crossed his mind. Doesn't refer to anyone or anything as gay because it has never been an issue.
1 - Has some sort of reference point of gay even though currently and in the future it is safe to say that only women will share his bed or get near his member. That gay reference may have been exploration by typical young boys out of curiosity or actually viewing some gay porn at some point with some fascination.
2 - As an adult has masturbated to something involving another man. Notices men even though it is usually for self comparison reasons. He has a girlfriend. Pursues only girls and doesn't share anything about whatever his curiosity in other men is, was or may be.
3 - Identifies himself as straight but likes feminine transsexual women as well as genetic women. He prefers not to choose but probably would prefer not to share his feelings publicly. He would be happy with either, but will trend toward a transsexual if it meant he would not be identified as such. Harbors no curiosity about masculine men except possibly looking at their cocks for comparison or just fascination. Has experimented with all realms of porn including gay but his real turn on is for feminine girls and transsexuals.
4. Only satisfied with transsexuals. Likes them to be feminine but has been drawn to more masculine features from time to time as well good looking crossdressers. Has a history with genetic women but for the most part has not pursued new relationships with them or has become somewhat dissatisfied with current relationship with genetic girl. Also has probably had a gay relationship or encounter or at least was tempted to.
5. Likes men. Everything about them. Often the more feminine type or feminine acting. But most men offer some type of appeal. Men playing dress up as a woman for fun or even crossdressing occasionally is a turn on and can also be the one dressing up as well. "Womaness" becomes a submissive quality that allows each "role" to be satisfying.
6. Likes their men and only men. There is nothing remotely sexual for them when dealing with a female, or a transsexual. Masculine man on man sex is the ultimate state of being.
Okay so this is not a very good attempt at defining each scale. True Beauty could do better. And I'm not happy that I'm a THREE!!!!! Maybe a 2-3!!!!! I so wanted to be a total ZERO. Oh well. Impossible to be a Zero and fuck some of my favorite girls. Okay, I'll redo it so I'm a solid two. I could live with that.
We need more numbers.
What are you?
I'm none of them, I have never experiemented with gay porn for one.
Look as I said, if you can't except Transwomen as real women, then you are in the wrong forum and if you can except part time crosss dressers as real women, well you are insane!
Don't hit your head on the way out :roll:
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Originally Posted by lust4ts
Jenn & Lust4ts, I want to be clear on what you are saying. Is this what you mean....?
A transsexual is defined by what she does, not how she may feel. You can't just feel you are a TS, you actually have to do something about it. So until you start hormones or have any surgeries, you are not a TS, correct? You are a boy. At best, you might be a CD, drag queen, faggot or whatever....
Is it possible for someone to be a CD at one point in their lives and then go on to become a TS?
And finally, a man is defined by how he feels, not what he does. No matter how many sexual acts he has with another penis that is not his own. As long as he feels he is straight, then that's how he should be identified as.
This topic has gotten very clouded with many different arguments topics going on at the same time. I just want to see if I understand you both.
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point isn't to choose what you are, as much as to admit what we are be it a TS or genetic guy TS admirer. There is something a shade beyond hetero sex here.
Like I said before. I see two knockout girls. A GG and a TS even though I'm giving up on both of them. LOL. But when all things are perfect I tend to like the TS, as far as sex goes. Why? I've never been topped in my life. So why? It is different. Almost undefinable. But what if my TS girl had SRS? I don't want her to. Thank God she doesn't want to. Why does that make a difference to me? This used to make me uncomfortable. Now it doesn't. Why? Personally I don't care. But there might be something a bit gay about it. So what.
God you are repetative, how many times do I have to state my position :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueBeauty TS
I base my belief on the fact that a transWOMEN is so because she really is a women, a CROSSdresser is so because he is a man.
Can you not see it from the mans perspective, mine. I am attracted to women, the fact that one who has a cock/or not (post op) I also find attractive does not make me gay, just appreciative that they really are women, just as I view a GG, it has nothing to do with the genitalia, it is about being that person, that women, all day, every day, that is what I find attractive!
Wanting to fuck a guy in a wig and makeup, knowing very well that, that person is not really the person I see, even if they look super hot would make me gay!
Forget gay, the fact that you don't want her to ever have SRS and say "Thank god she doesn't want it" actually makes you an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by bezane
I would love and support my girl and hope that one day she achieves her true goal, and has SRS.
I know a girl who I like very much, she is young and gorgeous and she wants SRS pretty soon and I know that I will find her just as attractive after as I did before, because I like her, for her and not just her cock, and I guess that goes some way to explaining why I don't see myself as gay! In fact I told her I thnk it is a great idea and she is perfect either way.
throwing my worthless 2 cents in there like usual:Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
from my limited experience of a LTR with a TS (does one year already qualify as "LTR"?) and a total outsider to the "TS-mindset" (I dont even try to iunderstand what and why...) I have to say: she was just as much "girlie" as my GG-relationships (beeing into hairdo, makeup, fashion, going out etc) - minus the period and minus hang-ups regarding accepting a good assplough.
I am aware that this statement is based on ONE single experience, but that doesnt prevent me like the majority on this board to generalize :lol:
Save the asshole comment tough guy. I know it's the internet and I know you're tougher than all the other people on the internet. You don't know me. I've never directed anything at you. I've been nothing but respectful here.Quote:
Originally Posted by lust4ts
People keep basing it on sex too. There are a lot of women, that us strap-ons on their husbands/boyfriends. Like to imagine they have one, get it sucked on and to plow them. I don't think sex is all that important on this.
People keep basing it on sex too. There are a lot of women, that us strap-ons on their husbands/boyfriends. Like to imagine they have one, get it sucked on and to plow them. I don't think sex is all that important on this. Would you call that guy gay getting it up the butt from his wives strap-on? NO..experimentive..YES but not gay.
nice tantrum. i didn't make this world and i didn't make people label you gay and i didn't make you insecure about it. shit, i didn't even make this thread. i just expressed my opinion on a forum love it or hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
Just as I thought......
NOBODY can say who is and who isn't a TS. Every single poster on this thread has said something different and contradictory about it.
Some have said you are born feeling that way, others have said you start as a CD then move along the scale towards TS, others have said it's based on action and commitment, not words & feelings.
As for me, I don't care one way or the other. I live my life according to my rules and reality.... just like the rest of you! :wink:
And then there is Lust4ts who doesn't really understand the entire topic, but he wants everyone to know he's not gay. Ok, got it. Duly noted. :roll: :deadhorse
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I'm sure you're a true beauty TrueBeauty. I don't know but something tells me you are. Neither here nor there. And I'm sure you can turn on a coma victim when you're looking all dolled up or doing a come hither look. That goes for a ton of girls here. But the reason why most of the guys here post 1000's of posts each and drool like school kids is not because of the 100% woman quality. Because I'm sure they're not posting on GG sites.
I think Kelly is right too. She feels (and looks) like a woman. And my inner detective senses that. I view her as that. But I lust for her as a whole. And that can't be construed as 100% heterosexual. Sorry. And I personal though feel 100% NORMAL as her admirer. And no man is going to take me away from her!!!
I apoligise for calling you an asshole, I am not an internet tough guy, most people here probably see me as just the opposite! You may be an upstanding guy in general, but those comments about your girl, are ones that would be held by an "asshole".Quote:
Originally Posted by bezane
The fact that you imply that you would not want her without her cock, kind of tells me enough to make that assumption without actually knowing your full person, personality and other believes.
I was once about the cock too, and admit initially liking transwomen for that reason, but it is no longer a disurning factor in my attraction. Whether a transwomen has a cock or pussy, they are no less beautiful and/or appealing either way.
I have no stronger desire to be with a TS than a GG, because I view them all simply as women. I actually only really come to this forum for the community, the fact that I have met and interacted with cool people that just happen to be TG (one in particular) is another reason why I stay.
And that goes back to my point, I see my self as being different to a large number of the people here, how do I know, because I was once like them, but people change and grow and I have. Does that make me any less gay, who knows, but I do feel I am a better person than them because I honestly have no preference when it comes to a girls genitalia. And I sincerely do view transwomen as just women and whether they decide to have SRS is not an issue to me. Do I think a cock looks attractive on a girl still? Yes! Do I think a pussy, be it SRS is any less so? NO!
If it makes me sound pompus, then so be it. But some of the guys here make me cringe when it comes to the way they view the people they probably spend most of their time jacking off over, this is not aimed at you, as you said, I don't know you, I can only judge you on your comments, which I have and apart from the asshole thing, fairly too I feel!
No wonder so many girls hold malice to these guys who just obsess over thier cocks, the very notion must be sickening. And some of these people act like these girls should be grateful for them even acknowledging them for that :roll:
Ok I am going to say this, forget the gay thing, people judge that how they want.
I could never be with a partime cross dresser, how ever good they look, because in my mind that is not a real person. Knowing that when that person takes off that wig and makeup there is a whole other person underneath, I myself find too strange and disturbing to ever consider them as women, if that makes me an "asshole" well then so be it!
That being said I have no problem with guys who do find them attractive, what I have a problem with is them viewing themselves as being no different to me!
lust4ts.....never said I didn't want her anymore if she went sans cock. Being supportive of her is a given. Any decent human being would at least do that. But her change would kind of be a shade different than a haircut.
I can think of 20 TS girls I personally know that I would be attracted to at a party even if I didn't have privy info. But if I was alone with her and unbuttoned her jeans and she said "wait, we need to talk," well I have to be honest.....instead of eating and fucking I'm thinking sucking and fucking and that has a shade more turn on for me. At least sometimes. Okay. Admittedly it only does it for me when the girl is "ALL GIRL" no man-in-wig syndrome for me. But I wouldn't be honest if I said "IT" didn't turn me on.
That Gia Darling chick for example is cute as a button. When I hang with her at a party I'm a bit blown away at her smoothness. She is such a little girl. But what sets her apart from all the other smooth little girls is that cock. Can't get around it.
I'm can only operate based on my feelings. Her feelings may be more important to me than mine, but as far as "operating" it's all me. And her cock makes the experience richer. Not one girl that hangs with me or fucks me thinks there's one thing gay about me. The people that know me with my TS girlfriend and aren't knowledgeable about TS are somewhat mystified in a "I'd never would of guessed it about him" sense. I'll spill it one step further. And I'm not ashamed to say I kind of forced myself to roll around with a couple of different guys because, why not? I hated it. Wasn't into it. Had trouble getting it on. In the end I have never bottomed for anyone man or TS. Never fucked a man. But I have an element of gayness to me, and my TS girl is a total fem knockout. I fight, box, mixed martial arts here in Vegas as a hobby. Hang out with a couple of UFC guys. I feel as I'm a sweet, sensitive guy that comes off that way if you talk to me but if you don't I seem a bit rugged. I only go to Gipsys (gay bar) to see a GG that bartends there that I'm infatuated with. Guys hit on me all the time there. Not even a twinge do I feel. But that fact that I sleep with a TS girl with gusto, and she feels 100% woman, still leaves a gayness about me. Yikes!!!! Next thing I'll be doing pride parades.
And just an endnote, being a life long resident of NYC, throwing parties for every walk of life, and having a ton of friends that are from the "hardcore" gay community, well they react to me dating a TS with a bit of a grimace, kind of the same grimace as me eating tons of pussy all the time. But they much prefer "their straight friend" to eat the pussy.
I guess for me aspiring to not defining it, is as important to me as others defining themselves as straight is to them. I personally feel more evolved. I hope the TS girls here feel that way about themselves. And about me.
Think about the concept of "Guys wanting to see their girlfriends do a lesbo act." Big mistake if she hasn't done it before. Cause if you love her, and she decides pussy is great, you can never compete with that. I can't be a pussy for my girl. Sometimes fantasies are best kept as just that. Well GG's can't always compete with TS's. Enjoy that girls.