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SweetBlueGirl
Someone here uses the word science without even knowing what is the definition. Science is a method that consists in the possibility to reproduce the experiment proving a theory. Therefore the fact you nevr saw atoms doesn't mean they are an act of faith...
I'm not going to rehash the transsexual thing again - so long as I don't get obnoxious responses - because I said I was bowing out of it. Actually, I think I might have said I was bowing out the thread (I haven't reread what I previously wrote).
Nonetheless, I want to respond to this portion of yours above.
Why is it I run into people online that do this? With rare exception I usually have people far more educated in the sciences than myself respond to posts of mine related to scientific opinion or subject a lot more respectfully. And believe me... I'm not all that educated in the sciences.
But you are not quite right in your depiction of the scientific method - the scientific process - or what science "proves."
What's worse is you had to respond condescendingly to me - indirectly to me - stating I don't know what the definition of science is.
You've gotten your impression of science from media. Theories are not necessarily proven. Hence, why one theory goes out the window and another comes in. Although I believe in the theory of evolution (because it is the best explanation for the unity and diversity of life that I know of) it is in no way proven. When has someone in a controlled laboratory setting produced a Homo sapien (human) from a lower primate? They never have. Fossil records with stories and pictures are fine - the Catholic Church does similar with skeletal relics from saints - but that is not tantamount to conducting an experiment to prove an hypothesis, publishing your results in a peer reviewed journal, and then other scientists repeating the experiment and deriving the same results.
In the scientific method "repeatability" of experimental results is as important as the original experiment itself.
If an hypothesis is proved a theory (scientific theory) is usually developed to explain it. Bearing in mind scientific theories actually derive and are backed up with evidence. Proof? No.
In the 19th century in U.S. courts scientists specialized in deciphering personality traits and proclivity to various types of crimes, merely from studying the shape of a defendant's skull, were called to provide expert testimony of behalf the state and prosecution. They helped sentence men to prisons (draconian at the time) for life. Today we look upon such scientific "theories" as buffoonery.
The virtue in the scientific process - unlike religious dogmas (not doctrines per se, because religious doctrines evolve as new information and knowledge is acquired, not so dissimilar to the scientific process) - is that it is supposed to be self correcting.
But scientific theories are supposed to be falsifiable. It's not the theory of evolutions strength that it's been proven, it's strength lies in that every challenge to it has failed to disprove it, in fact only more evidence comes about suggesting it's true.
And yes... it requires some faith on my part to believe in atoms. It's difficult enough for me to imagine them - through Lewis Structures - in my head as it is.
By the way... math departments look down on the physics, the physicists look down on the chemists, and the chemists look down on the biologists. It's even questionable how much of a "science" biology is given it seems to have no concrete fixed laws like physics and chemistry given evolution can change things. Biology - as a study of life - also suffers from the statistical error of having a sample size of one. That sample size of one being only life on planet earth. Needless to say... it makes "astrobiology" something of an oxymoron.
Peace.
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Re: Are Transexuals emotionally Stable?
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Birgitta
Well because there are a lot of people out there that want to prove us wrong because they cant understand, and very often because they dont want to understand,most people rather lie to themselves or others to escape facing the truth. Especially tgirls and their lovers are often extremely good at this......
Good for you that you were able to take in all that La Cosa wrote - when he started pulling in Muslims, India, Nazis, Jesus, etc I didn't know whether to laugh or cry and instead chose to sleep! If I were 20 or maybe even 30 I'd probably be curious as to the root causes for transsexualism but at this stage in life I don't really care - anymore so than I care about why people in the north have fair skin and what gene is responsible for brown eyes or why we share 97% of our genes with chimpanzees. We are here on this earth so let's just try to get along and make the most of it. Too many questions about things we don't really need the answers to just leads to dissension.
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runningdownthatdream
Good for you that you were able to take in all that La Cosa wrote - when he started pulling in Muslims, India, Nazis, Jesus, etc I didn't know whether to laugh or cry and instead chose to sleep! If I were 20 or maybe even 30 I'd probably be curious as to the root causes for transsexualism but at this stage in life I don't really care - anymore so than I care about why people in the north have fair skin and what gene is responsible for brown eyes or why we share 97% of our genes with chimpanzees. We are here on this earth so let's just try to get along and make the most of it. Too many questions about things we don't really need the answers to just leads to dissension.
You know... I've run into people like you over the internet. You can't admit you misunderstood someone.
And you do care what the root causes of transsexualism is - more than myself - because it's evident in your hostility and antagonisms towards me.
There are only a few options as to what can cause it. Why do you care if it is psychological rooted in environmental causes? Could it because you are more bothered than myself that you find yourself attracted to persons of the female gender that have testicles and a penis? Yes, I suspect that's what it is.
Environmental causes, by the way, can be as simple and nuanced as noticing differences and taking cue.
Now, if you've sucked on your transsexual girlfriend's balls, or chugged down her cum when she's ejaculated, or let sodomize you till you've exploded in orgasm, then that is fine. But don't get angry at me because I don't go along in your little mind delusion that the penis put in your watering mouth was no more than an extra long clitoris.
And frankly, I stated that transsexuals (boys become girls) are of the female gender, but biologically of the male sex. Essentially all that says is that said transsexuals (pre-op) have testicles, penises, likely produce semen, bit are behaviorally - if not mentally - effeminate or what we might term "female" in the mind. Furthermore, I stated I refuse to treat said transsexuals as men.
This attractive young lady below has a nice female ass, is very effeminate, and has balls clearly hanging down. Now, for me that is part of the attraction. Does that make me evil? Should I some how deny she has balls, would that make me more of a man, secure my "fragile heterosexuality"? I feel I'm heterosexual whether she has balls hanging down or not. If she looked like Brad Pitt with a beard then I'd probably say I was gay. And frankly, I'm all for denoting said transsexuals as a "third gender" even if that term might be a little fuzzy.
So, if you like transsexuals balls... then you can please raise up off mine. I thank ya kindly.
http://www.shemale-porn-galls.com/ga...rise_pic/9.jpg
(P.S. The Nazi's persecuted many and killed many... such as the disabled and homosexuals)
(P.P.S. At root the major differences in views come to a disagreement whether the psychological state of feeling like a girl comes from genes or other biological process or whether its first cause was environmental - ultimately, as it pertains to this board and not some university financed study, it's a trite difference in views. Jeez. :rolleyes:)
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^^By the way... as I've stated in the past on this board (I've not posted in months, and have rarely lurked during that time period) I find myself very sexually attracted to Ashely George.
And I'm fully aware she's a full person - meaning she's more than just her pictorials or her occupation. I'm sure she's loved by her family and friends or at least those she regards as family. And for all I know she's a rocket scientist in her spare time.
But it would probably be dangerous for me dating a girl as attractive as her - assuming our personalities complimented one another - because I desire children at some point, biologically she can't do that, and she might make me so weak at my knees that I can't help marrying her, due the addictive nature (love, desire, want) I'd be in for her.
That's not me trying to slyly court her indirectly in public here. I'm just explaining that I'm not hateful of transsexuals. Much the opposite. Plus, I'm quite sure Ashley is up to her neck in men courting her or already madly in love with some man, so, its all moot.
But there exist biological girls in this world. That means no balls and penis hanging. I like them too. But if I like seeing balls hang under a sexy girls short skirt chances the fuck are I have a fetish for that kind of thing.
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T girls that have a normal female hormone balance do noooot produce semen,
Furthermore thank you for proving once again how much of an idiot men can be that like tgirls...
Try find out the root causes of that, pervert
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Re: Are Transexuals emotionally Stable?
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runningdownthatdream
Good for you that you were able to take in all that La Cosa wrote - when he started pulling in Muslims, India, Nazis, Jesus, etc I didn't know whether to laugh or cry and instead chose to sleep! If I were 20 or maybe even 30 I'd probably be curious as to the root causes for transsexualism but at this stage in life I don't really care - anymore so than I care about why people in the north have fair skin and what gene is responsible for brown eyes or why we share 97% of our genes with chimpanzees. We are here on this earth so let's just try to get along and make the most of it. Too many questions about things we don't really need the answers to just leads to dissension.
frankly i am convinced that there probably are different causes for being and becoming a ts, there is too much diversity in the tworld to say we are all the same...i think a lot of ts arent even ts, and are not girls born in the wrong body but i am convinced they are out there. But tlovers dont care for the soul and heart of their girl anyway so why bother discussing it...
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drock
I know that a lot of them are are harmonal threapy and some more than others, but over the years I come to beleive that a lot of them are actually emotianally unstable..
I come to beleive that they're just very emotionally unstable beings, and most don't even have a clue about what they really want out of life, or it changes every day!
Some talk about chopping their dycks off on day and enjoying being a top the next?
What are your thoughts in reguards to this subject?
I will stand in the fifth amendment, but you do have a point.
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Birgitta
T girls that have a normal female hormone balance do noooot produce semen,
Furthermore thank you for proving once again how much of an idiot men can be that like tgirls...
Try find out the root causes of that, pervert
Look... I'd appreciate if you did not fling around personal attacks. I'm not attempting to find out the root cause of anything. You were born in a male body. Period. I neither called you an idiot nor referred to you as a pervert. I've been very respectful towards you.
You, however, evidence my point that one reads the posts of transsexuals with emotional or psychological problems on this board.
It should be apparent to any sane person - transsexual or not - that for a transsexual person to call guys attracted to pre-op transsexuals "perverts" is not only irony but dumb ass all fucking hell to boot. You are not biologically female and any guy that claims so is delusional - or simply dishonest with himself. You yourself stated in so many words that you are female in your mind (I bet a die-hard female feminist would have a field day with that proposition), and therefore you are admitting to be of the female gender irrespective of the male biological sex you were born with.
I have a woman online friend on another board that hates all gender distinctions period - and she regards herself as a woman and not a man (she's born female with XX chromosomes). She chops wood, wears work boots, and fits none of the "psychological qualities" most people associate with female. She accepts herself as female not because of the way she thinks or feels but because she's biologically a female. I state that because she gets annoyed whenever men on the board suggest there is a distinct way to feel or think as a woman.
And frankly I think my position in the long term best protects homosexuals and transsexuals. The Nazi's killed homosexuals not wanting them to pass on their genes (with punnet squares you can pretty much predict the odds of a child inheriting certain traits like eye color or sickle cell disease), and the educated in India today are all to often aborting unborn children with XX chromosomes.
So, let me for a moment assume transsexualism is genetically heritable. My prediction is as medical technology advances the educated will begin, in significant numbers, to abort unborn children detected with the genes that code for transsexualism. The educated know - or some of them at least know - that you don't have to wait for natural selection "in nature" per se to occur, you can artificially select for traits. People in agriculture have done it for eons. People that breed animals have been doing it for I don't know how long. For humans, we can abort children that carry genes and traits we don't like and give birth to those whose genes and traits we favor.
In terms of abortion, transsexuals are looked down upon more than XX chromosome girls. So, before you think I'm some evil monster, you ought come to terms with a man no less esteemed than the almighty Richard Dawkins himself, who claims its not we that matter but our genes. And he's a humanist atheist, imagine what the atheists that aren't humanist think? Dawkins wouldn't promote culling you transsexuals from the gene pool within a "population," but I damn sure suspect some other atheist scientist would. You all would be right up there with sickle cell anemia. And since it's likely many parents would not want to bring into this world a child that carries genes that code for transsexualism, many of them likely would be all for aborting said child too.
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LaCosa
Look... I'd appreciate if you did not fling around personal attacks. I'm not attempting to find out the root cause of anything. You were born in a male body. Period. I neither called you an idiot nor referred to you as a pervert. I've been very respectful towards you.
You, however, evidence my point that one reads the posts of transsexuals with emotional or psychological problems on this board.
It should be apparent to any sane person - transsexual or not - that for a transsexual person to call guys attracted to pre-op transsexuals "perverts" is not only irony but dumb ass all fucking hell to boot. You are not biologically female and any guy that claims so is delusional - or simply dishonest with himself. You yourself stated in so many words that you are female in your mind (I bet a die-hard female feminist would have a field day with that proposition), and therefore you are admitting to be of the female gender irrespective of the male biological sex you were born with.
Hey this guy is smart. I think I'll keep reading!
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LaCosa
I have a woman online friend on another board that hates all gender distinctions period - and she regards herself as a woman and not a man (she's born female with XX chromosomes). She chops wood, wears work boots, and fits none of the "psychological qualities" most people associate with female. She accepts herself as female not because of the way she thinks or feels but because she's biologically a female. I state that because she gets annoyed whenever men on the board suggest there is a distinct way to feel or think as a woman.
Cool story, bro.
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LaCosa
And frankly I think my position in the long term best protects homosexuals and transsexuals. The Nazi's killed homosexuals not wanting them to pass on their genes (with punnet squares you can pretty much predict the odds of a child inheriting certain traits like eye color or sickle cell disease), and the educated in India today are all to often aborting unborn children with XX chromosomes.
Huh?
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LaCosa
So, let me for a moment assume transsexualism is genetically heritable. My prediction is as medical technology advances the educated will begin, in significant numbers, to abort unborn children detected with the genes that code for transsexualism. The educated know - or some of them at least know - that you don't have to wait for natural selection "in nature" per se to occur, you can artificially select for traits. People in agriculture have done it for eons. People that breed animals have been doing it for I don't know how long. For humans, we can abort children that carry genes and traits we don't like and give birth to those whose genes and traits we favor.
In terms of abortion, transsexuals are looked down upon more than XX chromosome girls. So, before you think I'm some evil monster, you ought come to terms with a man no less esteemed than the almighty Richard Dawkins himself, who claims its not we that matter but our genes. And he's a humanist atheist, imagine what the atheists that aren't humanist think? Dawkins wouldn't promote culling you transsexuals from the gene pool within a "population," but I damn sure suspect some other atheist scientist would. You all would be right up there with sickle cell anemia. And since it's likely many parents would not want to bring into this world a child that carries genes that code for transsexualism, many of them likely would be all for aborting said child too.
WTF?
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La cosa you.keep calling ts woman guys, and what.i find offensive is that you assume i did not think deeply about my own situation, i never said im biologically female, and i cant defend myself in english language writing from my mobile phone...you choose not to believe, that is your choice, you do not want to understand, fine..
My sister is a feminist, my god even i am, she ia a masculine woman and she believes and understands me but naturally a lot of masculine woman wont believe us, what we are doing messes with their self image, it does not take a lot to understand that...
I dont think you treat me respectfully, you come across as a creep with your scientific theories
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And you know what????
Let them abort us, i never wanted to be a ts anyway and would not wish it on anyone else...
But i am worried for all the bisexual and straight guys that have found their sexual identity because we excist, what will happen to them
And me being disrespectfull, ive been on this forum for two months and this is the last subject im contributing to coz i really am fed up with the majority of the guys here, you being one of them...
You think you are so smart but not for one moment have you thought about what it perhaps would be like to stand in my shoes,
You are here to yerk off and you dont respect the girls in your fantasy, that makes you a pervert in my view
And you dont have to educate me on how fucked up the world is and the human race, i know
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oh and btw, naturally a girl born in the wrong body raised in the wrong gender will have psychological and emotional problems, i dont believe most girls that dont have problems without going into therapy to be real woman...
Take any boy or girl, give them a sex change when they are born, raise them in the wrong gender, give them the wrong sex hormones and i am sure most will be suicidal, especially if it cannot be fixed
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Birgitta
oh and btw, naturally a girl born in the wrong body raised in the wrong gender will have psychological and emotional problems, i dont believe most girls that dont have problems without going into therapy to be real woman...
Take any boy or girl, give them a sex change when they are born, raise them in the wrong gender, give them the wrong sex hormones and i am sure most will be suicidal, especially if it cannot be fixed
So the majority of transsexuals are not emotionally stable.
Life is hard enough as it is. I personally believe that transsexuals have a very difficult life. Some can deal with it all because they are strong or they have the right support from friends and family. Others who are not so fortunate have a good chance of developing problems.
Everyone has baggage. Just some can deal with it better than others.
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dderek123
Hey this guy is smart. I think I'll keep reading!
Cool story, bro.
Huh?
WTF?
He thinks he's smart, but im not a stupid girl, i am very selfconsciouss and aware of my own situation and the world around me and my relation with the world around me.
I btw understand a lot of feminists that claim tswoman arent woman, i find it understandable coz i think the same exactly. But i have known a lot of twoman also that were more woman, both on the inside and out, then most woman are...
I know a very friendly open minded masculine feminist that told me she cant imagine wanting to be a woman...she is projecting her thoughts and emotions on me because she rather would have been male...
What she does not understand is that i want to be male too, and im dead serious, i dont want to be a woman, i dont even much like woman lol but i cannot choose my genderidentity...
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dderek123
So the majority of transsexuals are not emotionally stable.
Life is hard enough as it is. I personally believe that transsexuals have a very difficult life. Some can deal with it all because they are strong or they have the right support from friends and family. Others who are not so fortunate have a good chance of developing problems.
Everyone has baggage. Just some can deal with it better than others.
There are a lot of ts woman that were happy straight guys that discovered they were woman when they started dressing up and it turned them on, then they want more, live fulltime and get srs.
I dont believe a lot of them are actual woman
Also i think a lot of tgirls are not woman but rather effeminate men that improve their social life and love life by going fulltime,
But i dont think a lot of them are actual woman....
I dont believe a girl born in the male body and therefor devoid of an identity and sense of self from a very early age will NOT develop psychological problems....unless they are able to live like girls as children
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Birgitta
La cosa you.keep calling ts woman guys, and what.i find offensive is that you assume i did not thunk deeply about my own situation, i never said im biologically female, and i cant defend myself in english language writing from my mobile phone...you choose not to believe, that is your choice, you do not want to understand, fine..
My sister is a feminist, my god even i am, she ia a masculine woman and she believes and understands me but naturally a lot of masculine woman wont believe us, what we are doing messes with their self image, it does not take a lot to understand that...
Birgitta, just a slight background information, I've voted for all Democrats except for once in my life. (although I refuse to ever vote for any Democrats again)
I consider myself at this point in life a political agnostic that leans "liberal" on some things and "conservative" on others.
You know... I got banned from a Catholic web board for mentioning you transsexuals as I would mention blacks, women, bikers, cops or any nationality of people. The fact that I admitted some of you are very attractive looking certainly didn't help either. Mentioning transsexuals was considered by the mods to be "R rated" subject matter. But I argued you all are human and apart of this world. So, I don't transsexuals with disdain or as objects with no human qualities.
But I can't win when it comes to the issues of homosexuality and transsexualism. For me to make everyone happy and fit in every crowd I would have to wear a different "hat" for each crowd I'm around. I would have to betray what I actually think.
And I'm not trying - not intentionally - to call T-girls guys. Actually, I'm pretty pleased you all are so adamant your girls. The last thing I would want if I was in a relationship with a T-girl is for her to want to be treated like a man or think she was a man.
And I think you are asking too much of me. Empathy I can have. I can empathize a transsexual or Bosnian Muslim for that matter. But I can not feel and experience exactly what you do. I'm not transsexual. So, I can empathize by trying to put myself in your shoes, but I'm still going to be left with my intellectual opinion. And for the record, I empathize with most pedophiles (excepted some of the extreme violent and cruel ones) - possibly the most hated people today. But I'm not a pedophile and I'm going to have my opinion.
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I dont think you treat me respectfully, you come across as a creep with your scientific theories.
Listen... I appreciate science and what little I have learned, and naturally some of it is going to shape my world view or at least inform my opinion. But I'm not as into the whole science praise thing as you think.
I'm probably a little more zealot on the science thing after having gotten into a very mean spirited debate with a cat on another site once. Without going into - or writing a bunch about it - I basically used to not mention much science "stuff." I would talk more from my personal opinion as well as provide the views from the Catholic Church. But I was accused of always deferring to religion and never science. Even worse it was insinuated I hated biology and science. This was coming from more than one atheist that had no science education at all.
After all of that I've become a little more offensive with deferring to science in my commentaries.
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And you know what????
Let them abort us, i never wanted to be a ts anyway and would not wish it on anyone else...
But i am worried for all the bisexual and straight guys that have found their sexual identity because we excist, what will happen to them
And me being disrespectfull, ive been on this forum for two months and this is the last subject im contributing to coz i really am fed up with the majority of the guys here, you being one of them...
Birgitta, there is no need for you to leave or stop contributing in threads, I've always maintained, and I still believe to this moment, that this site (the porn angle and hustle aside) is more for you gals. And I mean that empathetically. You girls have a difficult enough time in life and it's nice to have a social space - even online - to feel safe from the hostility or bigotry in the world.
So, please stay and continue contributing on the board and socializing with your friends.
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You think you are so smart but not for one moment have you thought about what it perhaps would be like to stand in my shoes.
No, you are 100% wrong. I don't feel that confident in science subjects and I'm not that well educated in any of them. But I've had the benefit of having a little education on some fundamentals in science. Biology mainly.
To give an analogy, if education and knowledge in sciences was marked from 0 to 30 I would place myself at about 7 or 8. Now, just imagine where that might place many people that never had any science education? See what I'm saying?
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You are here to yerk off and you dont respect the girls in your fantasy, that makes you a pervert in my view.
:lol: I'm not going to say I've never fondled myself looking at two or three of the girls on this site - I have. But I'm being honest when I tell you since the date I've become a member of this site myself fondling to pictures constitutes 1% of the time and focus or goal on the board - maybe 3% at the most. The vast majority of my energy and focus is on reading threads, maybe giving comment on some pics in threads, and sometimes engaging in a debate.
I do look at a lot of porn but it's not on this site. I prefer this site for the forum (kind of similar to Playboy magazine actually having good fuckin articles at times).
I'm no more a pervert than most other people in the world. Actually, that Catholic website I was kicked off of would view anyone attracted to, dating, or married to a transsexual as a pervert. I had to endure being judged by those people (many women - oh the women hated me the worse! for speaking well of you T-girls) while sticking up for you gals (I typed "guy" at first, but then it dawned on me you might think I meant "guy" as males, in this case), so, you can spare me your judgement too.
And I respect the girls just fine enough. I'm not going to treat any of you like men. So, why don't we just leave it at pre-op T-girls being girls with balls and dicks? And I'm not being sarcastic nor meaning to be obtuse. I mean for real... you gals are girls but with certain male anatomical features.
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Birgitta
He thinks he's smart, but im not a stupid girl, i am very selfconsciouss and aware of my own situation and the world around me and my relation with the world around me.
Birgitta, this is from my reply to you that I posted in post #155 on page 16. How do you construe this as me thinking I'm "smart" (I think I'm intelligent in some things true) or insulting you?
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I don't think you're stupid. But I think we are talking about this from two very different points. Because of that I think misunderstanding in any further conversation of the subject is inevitable. So, I think I'll just humbly bow out the topic.
When I said, "I think we are talking about this from two very different points," I was trying to say that we have two different educational backgrounds and personal experiences, at this point in our lives, that will impact our perspectives. And I was trying to phrase that in the most respectful way I could.
Please understand this: It's not me trying to "be smart" but I don't think it's right to ask any person to abandon their education simply for peer pressure or popular view. Or even for someone - as yourself - that has deep, sincere feelings about something personal to her that she's certain she knows from her personal experience. I'm not making light of your personal experience.
Should an atheist believe the person that walks cured out of a wheel chair crediting a saint or God with their new ability to walk?
I had uncle with a very high IQ that was schizophrenic too. When not on his medication he would perform "Mass" and swore God spoke to him and gave him the power to spread AIDS in the world. He really believed this stuff when he was not taking his medication. This same uncle was homosexual too I later found out from my mother (his sister). He passed away a few years ago.
So, I have not been trying to make light of your personal experiences which I'm sure to you is truth, as you experience it as truth. But at this particular moment - from what lessons I've felt I've learned in biology (how I assimilate it in my mind at least) - I'm the atheists in this situation, with respects to people being born X, Y, and Z.
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Thete have been very few studies done on the cause of transsexuals, but the studies that were done point to a physical cause, hormonal and genetic i think...i dont need to know cause i know unfortunately im not mad...not according to myself or any therapist i have seen...educate yourself first before making assumptions/accusations about transwoman,
And last but not least, i could not care less about you wanting a chick with a dick, i date entirely different guys then you and someone with your attitude i will never let near me, let alone touch me..
And i dont care if you dont understand that, im used to guys like you that dont understand and i am through wasting my time here...
Good luck
Birgitta
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bumping 4 year old troll threads... cool.
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Hey, I liked what LaCosa wrote. Not really what anyone would expect to find on a forum devoted to the promotion of cam shows or escort services, but I read with much interest anyway. I don't think he's completely up to snuff on transsexual scientific theory though (or avoiding the subject), but then again Birgitta clearly isn't either. And by all means lets not go there, since that often, somehow seems to blow up, into fights between girls thinking they're the only one who's the "real deal" and everybody else fakers... Perhaps this is to late already.
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20 people, 20+ opinions...
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Birgitta
oh and btw, naturally a girl born in the wrong body raised in the wrong gender will have psychological and emotional problems, i dont believe most girls that dont have problems without going into therapy to be real woman...
Take any boy or girl, give them a sex change when they are born, raise them in the wrong gender, give them the wrong sex hormones and i am sure most will be suicidal, especially if it cannot be fixed
You've blown this thing totally out of proportion. My initial post in this thread simply suggested much of what you contented in that first paragraph above, Excepted the part about being born in the wrong body - as if you we can be meant for a different body or morphology. Such an assertion contradicts the whole of evolutionary theory and thereby calls into question most most aspects of biological science.
Nature does not intend us anyway - lest there be a God explainable for the direction of evolutionary events - but contemporary biology and science scoffs at the idea of a God dictating events and what we are "meant" to be. Natural selection is the selective cause of traits. If you're born male - irrespective of your gender - that's what you were "meant" to be.
But you wish me to ignore all this for politicized opinion. We went through this with the Catholic Church and Galileo. I did not go and put myself in debt with a college education to simply never use what I learn. What use is a college education if you are determined to simply believe what you believed the first day you walked through its doors? One is to allow their mind to grow. That also means individuals need the freedom of individual thought and inquiry rather than simply ceding to "group think."
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Thete have been very few studies done on the cause of transsexuals, but the studies that were done point to a physical cause, hormonal and genetic i think...i dont need to know cause i know unfortunately im not mad...not according to myself or any therapist i have seen...educate yourself first before making assumptions/accusations about transwoman...
When did I call you mad? In fact I believe my initial post stated I read some transsexuals posts on this board that strike me as very grounded people. But there are significant numbers of you that exhibit some real emotional and mental problems.
I'm aware of most of the psychological fields stance. A field very much influenced by politics.
Let me tell you something about myself. And I'm aware transsexuals have sufferings to endure in life and obstacles to cross. But I'm not sure what it is you think would enrich and free your life so much, if you became masculine like me?
I'm dual addicted. Substance addicted that is. I'm a former U.S. Marine that served in the Gulf War. While stationed aboard ship - no were to hide - I endured a lot of direct antagonism specifically due to my racial make up (mulatto). I've been in jail. And once I became an addict I ended up homeless for a short time. Standing in a long line butt naked waiting for a shower with other naked men I was eye fucked the entire time by a older white male employed by the homeless shelter, sitting, smiling. While homeless I discovered homosexual men have a special liking for my looks and physique. Long story short I've sold myself to other men sexually for the drug of my choice. Yes, to be sexually objectified.
I graduated with honors through community college all while in severe, active, drug addiction/use. I struggle now to make it through university with the newly acquired addition of alcoholism. I've seen violence close up over due in no little part to my drug addiction. I've been in houses and apartment buildings and basements of squalor no sane person should be in with people that could slit my throat at any moment and leave me buried beneath trash and rats in a dark, dank basement, not found for years if ever.
And unlike you feeling "whole" as a female there is no feeling "whole" as an addict.
Now, it would be easy for me to agree with the opinions blaring out of some quarters of the science community that claim alcoholism and addictive nature are genetically inherited, but I disagree totally with that proposition. It's partly politically motivated and partly due to a fallacious view of genes operating like computer chips. During the 19th century with the Industrial Revolution scientists were adamant the best way to understand the human mind is by analogy of machines, gears, and cranks. We are in the computer age and people naturally correlate genes as analogous to computer chips. The mind its self - which we know little about - is much more complex than that. Computer chips are made up of inorganic material deriving their energy from electrons in a much different way than cells derive their energy in the organic brain. Computer chips can't self heal, but the body and its organs like the brain have proven capable of doing so.
So, you can spare me this whole horse shit of me being stupid, utterly ill informed in anything, and not knowing what suffering is like in life.
Many men on this board will give you sympathy and even empathize with your struggles with "men" or selling yourself sexually to other men. No man (or woman for that matter) - aside perhaps from a Priest or another addict - is going to sympathize with a masculinized man selling himself sexually to other men even if compelled to do so over the craving for drugs (brain scans of alcoholics have shown they respond to the craving for alcohol like people literally starving to death or people perishing from thirst). All is not horrible being female. Hell, all is not horrible being me. I can't imagine being a parent that has a child abducted and for the rest of their lives never knows what happened to that child. I'm still in good health. Last checked my heart was still healthy. And I'm in better shape then most teenagers and early 20 somethings I meet. I was boxing at a boxing gym - even taken martial arts at another place - all the while being a hardcore addict. At least I can walk. I smell the fresh air and can see the blue sky. So, I have my blessings. You might have your blessings too (and men kissing your ass might be a blessing)
And please bear in mind I watch TV all the time making fun and stigmatizing addicts. I can't watch a Black-American comic that doesn't make fun of crackheads. It's an easy laugh. Chris Rock and Dave Chapell (spelling?) partly built their comic careers around this. You'd laugh and everyone would laugh. I'm an addict clean, shaven, usually with after shave and or cologne on and can articulate myself decently. I look nothing like the depictions Chris Rock and Dave C. give.
And jobs - for good reason mind you - discriminate against addicts. Many low paying manual labor jobs require drug tests. So, stigma and discrimination I'm not entirely inexperienced with.
But whether I was born an addict or you a girl is a different matter. There was no ill intent on my part.
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And last but not least, i could not care less about you wanting a chick with a dick, i date entirely different guys then you and someone with your attitude i will never let near me, let alone touch me..
And i dont care if you dont understand that, im used to guys like you that dont understand and i am through wasting my time here...
Good luck
Birgitta
So, you telling me you don't want me (as if I was engaged in some song and dance to court you and swoop you off your feet) is suppose to traumatize me or hurt my feelings?
Trust... even before I was an addict I came up as a short, thin, severely acne faced covered teen being thoroughly rejected by black girls whining to all the world their grand travails over black males rejecting them. I've run into know female in this world as cold in heart and cruel as a Black-American female. Even in the Marine Corps (still had a bad acne problem then - I no longer do) non-addicted, driven, employed, car and sympathetic I was verbally bashed and rejected by black females that did not care for my looks or to be seen with me. So, I'm pretty much built hard. Calling me "ni****" is like giving me a massage on my back. I've been called it by whites and I've been sodomized by an extremely well hung black, gay, man.
I'll get through any thing including gang rape in prison. Even if it take me a while to physically recover. You better come with better to break me mentally.
Having said all that... and in no way to dismiss or trivialize the suffering and obstacles of transsexuals and yourself, Birgitta... observe the different lives of the black African males in Italy compared to the jolly Brazilian T-girls in Italy. Sex pays. Men give more sympathy to whats feminine than they do to other men.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S35BLTUKFGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=essdwrsKsig
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allright!!
ok then,
Let me be so kind to reply to all that lol ...
First of all... I do not have a popular opinion about transwoman...
I try to be as objective as I can..and after reading all you wrote...I try and believe that you try the same...
I was banned from most TS forums for adressing issues twoman did not want to hear. I am way way way too rational for me own good! I wish I could fool myself or lie to myself... but I cannot do it!
I am also, mind you, not loved her... not by most girls and certainly not by a lot of the men here...I am not the kind of girl that swallows any popular opinion about anything! I like to think for myself as much as I can always...and I always challange myself to look at life differently then I do now...
It puzzles me that this universe is so inmensely big and STILL I think I am sooooo important and my problems are soooo dramatic, where is my sense of humor lol
Anyway.... why I was harsch on you....I accept anyone's opinion about me...as long as they leave me in peace...I cant change the way they see me anyway....I am not trying to sell acceptence of transgendered by sociaty...
From my point of view...Tgirls will never be accepted as woman... and its not even sociaty's fault...its their own fault...
The T community explodes with hard to believe irrational and masculine "woman" that make up stories to justify their way of life....
Its my opinion that most Tgirls lie...
They have to... most of the time they cant rationally explain themselves...anymore then a christian can... simply point to the bible or make up a story of a bad childhood, and everyone buys it... coz they dont understand it anyway....for normal people all this is alien....
There are a lot of masculine twoman out there that were perfectly well adjusted macho men that worked in the army, married 3 times... have a lot of children that try to make the world believe they did all this because of self denial... they acted it all out...while they were woman all the time...
This is the biggest crap you can ever sell sociaty...
NOBODY is such a great actor that you can keep this up on a full time basis...
I am creative...have a talent for acting...and I could not do it...
No the fact is... they were comfortable in their gender role but at one point in life for whatever (neurotic) reason... they want to have breast...dress as a woman and get a vagina...
Are they woman?
NO, I do NOT believe it...and I do NOT buy it...
Same goes for Tgirls that behave like narcissistic attention craving gay males with a male sexuality that YES are naturally feminine so its better for them to live full time... both for social reasons, financial and sexual...are they woman...NO!
I dont believe it... But they try to make you believe it too.. make up stories... fortunately some dont and just tell you... Im a TS... or a man even...I just like to be feminine... thats ok...
But its not the story of a girl trapped in a male body...
Listen...
I am bad at explaining science... but from what I know...the identity of ts woman is created by hormones in the womb... unfortunately due to a hormonal imbalance the body is created male...thats why there is a conflict...
They tried this with mice...so its actually a more or less proven theory ...
You should really investigate before thinking what you have learned in university covers it all... To science we are pretty unimportant btw...
All the medicines we take were created for woman and men... not for transwoman...
Why I dont like you... thats just the sum of all the things you said...
I was not trying to hurt you..
I was trying to tell you WHY you are so unattractive... perhaps if you would accept your attraction for Tgirls and think of them is a respectfull manner...instead of thinking them insane or dillusional... I am many things, I am not delusional...
Sorry to hear your life has been so tough.. my life has been tough too..I even recognise some of the shit you wrote... but I dont want to get into that...
You keep changing your view and changing your opinions... but I appreciate it that you seem truely emotionally involded... so ill try and be nice and kind...
But I know myself...I know what I stand for, I have an opinion based on my experience and also try to be as objective as I can about myself and my situation.... I know what I want and what I dont want...
You seem to be in the dark about it...
Saying that you want children prevents you from dating a Tgirl I find odd...there is never a guarentee for children with any woman...
But if you find one... best of luck with it..
Btw Im not into escort...and I am therefor not selling myself as a chick with a dick...
I like to be treated as a woman regardless of the fact that I am a TS... thats about self respect and self love.... (and not about self hate and ignorance what many men on this forum believe)
Ok thats it for now
Birgitta
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Re: Are Transexuals emotionally Stable?
:) Okay, Birgitta.
Can we get along now? Water under the bridge?
And remember, this is your place (HungAngels.Com). You and other T-girls should try and get along, me being a man I view myself as just a "visitor." So, please do not get discouraged with the board on my part nor feel the inclination to leave. I'm sorry to hear you were banned from other T-girl websites. I think you T-girls should be more encouraging of one another and not so critical and negative on each other. You'll receive enough of that in the world.
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Birgitta
Saying that you want children prevents you from dating a Tgirl I find odd...there is never a guarentee for children with any woman...
:lol: The vast majority of women can get pregnant, Birgitta, that's why we have so many people on the earth now relative to a thousand years ago.
Actually, the greater challenge is to keep young teenage girls from getting pregnant! :lol:
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And by all means lets not go there, since that often, somehow seems to blow up, into fights between girls thinking they're the only one who's the "real deal" and everybody else fakers... Perhaps this is to late already.
Perhaps!
Lacosa is a pretty smart dude. He has wayyy more patience than me and he has articulated some good points.
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Re: Are Transexuals emotionally Stable?
They are no more or less stable than the 'men' (I use that label loosely) who are completely fascinated by them. Which includes everyone on this board.
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dderek123
Perhaps!
Lacosa is a pretty smart dude. He has wayyy more patience than me and he has articulated some good points.
:lol: [chuckles] I thank ya and Miss Fagina, but if I was so smart I wouldn't have worked so hard all semester through biology with all the labs, lab report, lab book, lab exam, lecture exams, to only miss the last lecture exam the last fuckin week of school, and thereby jeopardizing at least a guaranteed C in the class to now possibly either getting a D or F and having to retake the whole damn class over again. All because I gave into craving and ended up getting drunk and high the whole night before and the whole morning the next day (exam day).
Thus is the insanity of addiction.
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:lol: [chuckles] I thank ya and Miss Fagina, but if I was so smart I wouldn't have worked so hard all semester through biology with all the labs, lab report, lab book, lab exam, lecture exams, to only miss the last lecture exam the last fuckin week of school, and thereby jeopardizing at least a guaranteed C in the class to now possibly either getting a D or F and having to retake the whole damn class over again. All because I gave into craving and ended up getting drunk and high the whole night before and the whole morning the next day (exam day).
Thus is the insanity of addiction.
Sorry to hear that. On the way to recovery there is always the occasional relapse.
