Do you feel it's wrong?

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Well if you say you are a girl, and you have a penis, and you fully expect that the listener's underdstanding of the definition of "girl" is someone with a penis, then you are right.

The question is, is that the listener's understanding of the word "girl?" If not, then you are not telling the truth.

Because if that's the truth--then the truth is whatever you believe it to be. But the world cannot function that way. There has to be some kind of objective consensus on definitions of things---maybe in the future the objective consensus will be that T-girls are "girls" per se. But at this time, I don't think we have that consensus.

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I don't see that as valid logic.... you are assuming the other person's definitions are accurate or comprehensive... which is not always the case.

Lying is intentionally saying something you yourself know to be false (or so has been my impression). Since I know I am a girl, I am not intentionally giving false information by saying that I am a girl.

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Ummm.."Logic?" you're using classic circular (and therfore fallacious) logic. If I believe it to be true--it is true. Hitler believed Jews to be inferior, was that true?

Peasants believed the earth to be flat in the 12th century, was that true?


Both the law, and logic adopt a reasonable objective consensus as the litums test of truth---otherwise we are in chaos.


If you know somebody defines girl as somebody having a uterus and fallopian tubes and all the other female parts, and NOT a penis, and you tell them you are a girl, then you are misleading that person, if not lying.

What is wrong with saying: "I'm a girl and I have a penis." No misleading, no deception, no nothing. If you can't say that, what's the point?

And furthermore Olite...............Guys aren't sitting there saying "is that a tranny" so I am not LYING. They are talking to me how they would talk to any girl, which they should reguardless. But you and and I bother know that doesn't happen. :wink: They ask about me I tell them the truth..They ask about my high school life I tell them the truth..They ask if I'd be interested in meeting..I reply sweetie I don't think I'm your type. They ask why..I tell them why.


I don't see the harm in any of that?

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Well if you say you are a girl, and you have a penis, and you fully expect that the listener's underdstanding of the definition of "girl" is someone with a penis, then you are right.

The question is, is that the listener's understanding of the word "girl?" If not, then you are not telling the truth.

Because if that's the truth--then the truth is whatever you believe it to be. But the world cannot function that way. There has to be some kind of objective consensus on definitions of things---maybe in the future the objective consensus will be that T-girls are "girls" per se. But at this time, I don't think we have that consensus.

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I don't see that as valid logic.... you are assuming the other person's definitions are accurate or comprehensive... which is not always the case.

Lying is intentionally saying something you yourself know to be false (or so has been my impression). Since I know I am a girl, I am not intentionally giving false information by saying that I am a girl.

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Ummm.."Logic?" you're using classic circular (and therfore fallacious) logic. If I believe it to be true--it is true. Hitler believed Jews to be inferior, was that true?

Peasants believed the earth to be flat in the 12th century, was that true?


Both the law, and logic adopt a reasonable objective consensus as the litums test of truth---otherwise we are in chaos.


If you know somebody defines girl as somebody having a uterus and fallopian tubes and all the other female parts, and NOT a penis, and you tell them you are a girl, then you are misleading that person, if not lying.

What is wrong with saying: "I'm a girl and I have a penis." No misleading, no deception, no nothing. If you can't say that, what's the point?

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I am replying to your last part..There is nothing wrong with it! It's just the guys you attract with it! And the drama that comes with it. We just want to lead a normal life and find a normal guy with out a CAUSE.

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What is wrong with saying: "I'm a girl and I have a penis." No misleading, no deception, no nothing. If you can't say that, what's the point?

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So are you saying tgirls should stop whenever they get miss'd/mam'd in public to say "oh wait, before you call me that make sure you know I have or had a dick..."?

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I mean after all, if you don't correct them you are misleading them by allowing them to keep assuming/thinking you're a GG... right?[/sarc]

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I voted "yes." And my reasoning is as follows:

1. Whenever you do not tell the truth about something, there is something "wrong," period. The question is, however, what is the DEGREE of wrong?

2. The degree depends somewhat on the result. And the result depends on the circumstances and how you feel and the other person feels at the time. If you see the person is merely flirting and is looking for adventure, well then maybe the deception won't lead to anything more than a sligtly more than harmless misunderstanding.

3. But if you realize that the person is seriously into the object of the deception, then you might be setting them up for a serious fall--the degree of wrong here is heigtened.

4. The problem with this degree thing, however, is that it requires you to be somewhat of a mind reader and in doing so you inevitably find yourself treading out on thin ice more often than you'd maybe want to.

5. As a consequence, the safest course is to avoid any degree of "wrong" at all times... But that ain't fun, is it?


6. Still---just how "wrong" it is depends on your own sensibilities and the context of the encounter. Ever notice how when a man with a girlfiend meets an attractive woman he does not mention his girlfirend---it's because he is indulging a fantasy at the expense of this newly met attractive creature. On the other hand, when he meets someone unattractive (to him) he talks about his girlfriend with immediate dispatch... Thus he uses deception when he wants to gratify a fantasy and maintain the possibility of sexual tension--but it is only on his terms.... Whenever two people meet and a deception is being maintained to create an attraction on only one of the person's terms at the expense of the other--there is something wrong about that---in my opinion.

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Listen here buster..I've been living as a girl for 12 long years..out in public..going to school..going to work....relationships..etc I think I have the damn right to say I am a girl..and not have to say HEY I USED TO BE A GUY to the world. It's not about that when we first start talking anyways it's a conversation..it's not like I'm marrying the guy or even going on a date with the guy. I am talking to him, but when he suggests for intimate things...I tell him whats up! Can we stop taking things out of CONTEXT please!

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If you are so certain about your "damned" right" would have never have started this thread. This thread suggests that you feel misgivings about it.

And I did not take anything out of context. If you think that all your dates out there who are male define a "girl" as someone with a penis--then you have every right to call yourself a girl and not think you are lying about it.

But do you really believe that? And you are right about what you're rights are--but rights are not in a vacuum--when your right to say something may mislead somebody your rights clash with their rights.

Does a man who calls you and defines girls as only "biological girls" have the right to be told that? That is the question.

It is interesting that you say "out of context" because the behavior you describe is taken "out of the context"....You are taking yourself, out of the context of the rights of those who are relying on the information you give them, instead saying: "I have the right to say I'm a girl," no matter what rights they have to rely on what you say.


You see everything changes when another person's rights and expectations are broght to bear. Sure in a vacuum you have the right to sing to the heavens that you are a girl---I have no disagreement with that whatsoever.

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Olite you really put too much into the internet sweety, I made the thread for people's opinion. I do what I do with out others making it for me. I just wanted to start a topic that may be interesting to others. And see if girls did the same.

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No worries---I love discussion. This is absolutely no effort for me...and I'm glad you started this topic--one of the best ones on here. In the end if all you got was light Katy Couric answers to all your topics you'd quickly get bored (or at least I hope you would).

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What is wrong with saying: "I'm a girl and I have a penis." No misleading, no deception, no nothing. If you can't say that, what's the point?

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So are you saying tgirls should stop whenever they get miss'd/mam'd in public to say "oh wait, before you call me that make sure you know I have or had a dick..."?

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I mean after all, if you don't correct them you are misleading them by allowing them to keep assuming/thinking you're a GG... right?[/sarc]

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No, you are stretching the example. In brief encounters like that, there is no need to say anything like that. If they call you "miss" or whatever they are just being polite.

This thread is about when you are getting involved with people--when people start asking questions and getting to know you on a deeper level, then how you represent yourself becomes much more important.

The level of interest someone takes in you should be matched by the level of sincerity that you show them--- a "passing encounter" warrants a "passing affirmation...." No harm done.

But as the encounter deepens if the affirmations are misleading...well than harm can be done.


Bottom line is this--if someone feels mislead, are THEY lying? Are their feelings not REALLY hurt? No. Consequently the goal is to avoid hurting peoples feelings by misleading them--and that is all up to your own wits and judgment--case by case as you navigate the social highways and byways.

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What is wrong with saying: "I'm a girl and I have a penis." No misleading, no deception, no nothing. If you can't say that, what's the point?

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So are you saying tgirls should stop whenever they get miss'd/mam'd in public to say "oh wait, before you call me that make sure you know I have or had a dick..."?

[sarc]
I mean after all, if you don't correct them you are misleading them by allowing them to keep assuming/thinking you're a GG... right?[/sarc]

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No, you are stretching the example. In brief encounters like that, there is no need to say anything like that. If they call you "miss" or whatever they are just being polite.

This thread is about when you are getting involved with people--when people start asking questions and getting to know you on a deeper level, then how you represent yourself becomes much more important.

The level of interest someone takes in you should be matched by the level of sincerity that you show them--- a "passing encounter" warrants a "passing affirmation...." No harm done.

But as the encounter deepens if the affirmations are misleading...well than harm can be done.


Bottom line is this--if someone feels mislead, are THEY lying? Are their feelings not REALLY hurt? No. Consequently the goal is to avoid hurting peoples feelings by misleading them--and that is all up to your own wits and judgment--case by case as you navigate the social highways and byways.

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well in the same reguards you are stretching it too..she is right..so that means every person I talk to on a regular basis in public I need to inform them I am a transexual by what you are saying? Do you do that with every person you meet? I'm a man..I'm a man..surely you don't?

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So brief conversations on IM are somehow different?

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I voted "yes." And my reasoning is as follows:

1. Whenever you do not tell the truth about something, there is something "wrong," period. The question is, however, what is the DEGREE of wrong?

2. The degree depends somewhat on the result. And the result depends on the circumstances and how you feel and the other person feels at the time. If you see the person is merely flirting and is looking for adventure, well then maybe the deception won't lead to anything more than a sligtly more than harmless misunderstanding.

3. But if you realize that the person is seriously into the object of the deception, then you might be setting them up for a serious fall--the degree of wrong here is heigtened.

4. The problem with this degree thing, however, is that it requires you to be somewhat of a mind reader and in doing so you inevitably find yourself treading out on thin ice more often than you'd maybe want to.

5. As a consequence, the safest course is to avoid any degree of "wrong" at all times... But that ain't fun, is it?


6. Still---just how "wrong" it is depends on your own sensibilities and the context of the encounter. Ever notice how when a man with a girlfiend meets an attractive woman he does not mention his girlfirend---it's because he is indulging a fantasy at the expense of this newly met attractive creature. On the other hand, when he meets someone unattractive (to him) he talks about his girlfriend with immediate dispatch... Thus he uses deception when he wants to gratify a fantasy and maintain the possibility of sexual tension--but it is only on his terms.... Whenever two people meet and a deception is being maintained to create an attraction on only one of the person's terms at the expense of the other--there is something wrong about that---in my opinion.

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Listen here buster..I've been living as a girl for 12 long years..out in public..going to school..going to work....relationships..etc I think I have the damn right to say I am a girl..and not have to say HEY I USED TO BE A GUY to the world. It's not about that when we first start talking anyways it's a conversation..it's not like I'm marrying the guy or even going on a date with the guy. I am talking to him, but when he suggests for intimate things...I tell him whats up! Can we stop taking things out of CONTEXT please!

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If you are so certain about your "damned" right" would have never have started this thread. This thread suggests that you feel misgivings about it.

And I did not take anything out of context. If you think that all your dates out there who are male define a "girl" as someone with a penis--then you have every right to call yourself a girl and not think you are lying about it.

But do you really believe that? And you are right about what you're rights are--but rights are not in a vacuum--when your right to say something may mislead somebody your rights clash with their rights.

Does a man who calls you and defines girls as only "biological girls" have the right to be told that? That is the question.

It is interesting that you say "out of context" because the behavior you describe is taken "out of the context"....You are taking yourself, out of the context of the rights of those who are relying on the information you give them, instead saying: "I have the right to say I'm a girl," no matter what rights they have to rely on what you say.


You see everything changes when another person's rights and expectations are broght to bear. Sure in a vacuum you have the right to sing to the heavens that you are a girl---I have no disagreement with that whatsoever.

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Olite you really put too much into the internet sweety, I made the thread for people's opinion. I do what I do with out others making it for me. I just wanted to start a topic that may be interesting to others. And see if girls did the same.

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No worries---I love discussion. This is absolutely no effort for me...and I'm glad you started this topic--one of the best ones on here. In the end if all you got was light Katy Couric answers to all your topics you'd quickly get bored (or at least I hope you would).

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well thank you

wow even lol I love these polls thats an awesome feature..oh yeah this is one of my dead end threads

I clicked into this thread thinking that it couldn't possibly be about what it sounded like it was, but how wrong I was. What do I see but a bunch of posts where people revel in their own immoral behavior, much of which isn't simply loose, but that of someone most readily identifiable as a predator.
Many posters prefaced their comments with phrases like "I'm embarrassed," or "I don't know if this is [slutty\whorish\etc] or not," and the like. Newsflash, if you've engaged in extramarital affairs, shagging random strangers, flashing your bareness at others, and the like then you easily qualify for just about any degrading adjective that someone might care to affix to you. Furthermore, if you post such things on the internet you are clearly not embarrassed by it, but to the contrary you seek to indulge is self glorification over your behavior. You want other individuals to emerge with other similar stories so you can pretend that everyone does it, thus it must be an acceptable practice.
In fact it is not acceptable, or glamorous, or adventurous, or whatever spin you might care to attach, but instead merely deviant and deplorable. What kind of person coldly steps out on their significant other, let alone on a whim. Only someone without a shred of human decency and respect for their fellow human being could thusly comport themselves and then crow about their misdeeds to the world via a 100 page long thread on the internet.
I hope that the lot of you are truly shamed by your actions and spurred to reform your miscreant lives. If you pretend to care about yourselves, your loved ones, your nation, or humanity in general then you will act like adults and restrain your wicked impulses instead of letting them run free like some dark age barbarian.

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I clicked into this thread thinking that it couldn't possibly be about what it sounded like it was, but how wrong I was. What do I see but a bunch of posts where people revel in their own immoral behavior, much of which isn't simply loose, but that of someone most readily identifiable as a predator.
Many posters prefaced their comments with phrases like "I'm embarrassed," or "I don't know if this is [slutty\whorish\etc] or not," and the like. Newsflash, if you've engaged in extramarital affairs, shagging random strangers, flashing your bareness at others, and the like then you easily qualify for just about any degrading adjective that someone might care to affix to you. Furthermore, if you post such things on the internet you are clearly not embarrassed by it, but to the contrary you seek to indulge is self glorification over your behavior. You want other individuals to emerge with other similar stories so you can pretend that everyone does it, thus it must be an acceptable practice.
In fact it is not acceptable, or glamorous, or adventurous, or whatever spin you might care to attach, but instead merely deviant and deplorable. What kind of person coldly steps out on their significant other, let alone on a whim. Only someone without a shred of human decency and respect for their fellow human being could thusly comport themselves and then crow about their misdeeds to the world via a 100 page long thread on the internet.
I hope that the lot of you are truly shamed by your actions and spurred to reform your miscreant lives. If you pretend to care about yourselves, your loved ones, your nation, or humanity in general then you will act like adults and restrain your wicked impulses instead of letting them run free like some dark age barbarian.

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What the crap are you talking about??? This thread had nothing to do with cheating???????? :offtopic :violin

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I clicked into this thread thinking that it couldn't possibly be about what it sounded like it was, but how wrong I was. What do I see but a bunch of posts where people revel in their own immoral behavior, much of which isn't simply loose, but that of someone most readily identifiable as a predator.
Many posters prefaced their comments with phrases like "I'm embarrassed," or "I don't know if this is [slutty\whorish\etc] or not," and the like. Newsflash, if you've engaged in extramarital affairs, shagging random strangers, flashing your bareness at others, and the like then you easily qualify for just about any degrading adjective that someone might care to affix to you. Furthermore, if you post such things on the internet you are clearly not embarrassed by it, but to the contrary you seek to indulge is self glorification over your behavior. You want other individuals to emerge with other similar stories so you can pretend that everyone does it, thus it must be an acceptable practice.
In fact it is not acceptable, or glamorous, or adventurous, or whatever spin you might care to attach, but instead merely deviant and deplorable. What kind of person coldly steps out on their significant other, let alone on a whim. Only someone without a shred of human decency and respect for their fellow human being could thusly comport themselves and then crow about their misdeeds to the world via a 100 page long thread on the internet.
I hope that the lot of you are truly shamed by your actions and spurred to reform your miscreant lives. If you pretend to care about yourselves, your loved ones, your nation, or humanity in general then you will act like adults and restrain your wicked impulses instead of letting them run free like some dark age barbarian.

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What the crap are you talking about??? This thread had nothing to do with cheating???????? :offtopic :violin

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Listen here chump, are you aware ive been drinking loved ones every day since you were nothing but a tiny thought deep in your daddys weiner? You think i give a damn about cows? bulls? goats? hell im no farmer, even if I was id milk that S*** like no tomorrow, but the difference between peoplelike YOU and people like ME is that im hung like a horse and would rather blend up 100 relatives than drink that vile S*** you speak of. good day

I didn't bother to read this whole thread because it's way too long for my attention span to handle, but, why do you ladies feel like you need to "straight" chase?? There's enough guys on these boards who consider themselves straight. You don't have to waste your time chasing the straights because you have enough on here already, who at a moments notice would love to take you out on a date.

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I clicked into this thread thinking that it couldn't possibly be about what it sounded like it was, but how wrong I was. What do I see but a bunch of posts where people revel in their own immoral behavior, much of which isn't simply loose, but that of someone most readily identifiable as a predator.
Many posters prefaced their comments with phrases like "I'm embarrassed," or "I don't know if this is [slutty\whorish\etc] or not," and the like. Newsflash, if you've engaged in extramarital affairs, shagging random strangers, flashing your bareness at others, and the like then you easily qualify for just about any degrading adjective that someone might care to affix to you. Furthermore, if you post such things on the internet you are clearly not embarrassed by it, but to the contrary you seek to indulge is self glorification over your behavior. You want other individuals to emerge with other similar stories so you can pretend that everyone does it, thus it must be an acceptable practice.
In fact it is not acceptable, or glamorous, or adventurous, or whatever spin you might care to attach, but instead merely deviant and deplorable. What kind of person coldly steps out on their significant other, let alone on a whim. Only someone without a shred of human decency and respect for their fellow human being could thusly comport themselves and then crow about their misdeeds to the world via a 100 page long thread on the internet.
I hope that the lot of you are truly shamed by your actions and spurred to reform your miscreant lives. If you pretend to care about yourselves, your loved ones, your nation, or humanity in general then you will act like adults and restrain your wicked impulses instead of letting them run free like some dark age barbarian.

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What the crap are you talking about??? This thread had nothing to do with cheating???????? :offtopic :violin

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Listen here chump, are you aware ive been drinking loved ones every day since you were nothing but a tiny thought deep in your daddys weiner? You think i give a damn about cows? bulls? goats? hell im no farmer, even if I was id milk that S*** like no tomorrow, but the difference between peoplelike YOU and people like ME is that im hung like a horse and would rather blend up 100 relatives than drink that vile S*** you speak of. good day

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Again what are the cows and stuff about???????? :lol: :spam :trolls

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I didn't bother to read this whole thread because it's way too long for my attention span to handle, but, why do you ladies feel like you need to "straight" chase?? There's enough guys on these boards who consider themselves straight. You don't have to waste your time chasing the straights because you have enough on here already, who at a moments notice would love to take you out on a date.

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Plenty of men with a fantasy..not real. And not my type.

[quote="KellyShorePlenty of men with a fantasy..not real. And not my type.[/quote]

so are you saying you would never date a guy from this board?

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I clicked into this thread thinking that it couldn't possibly be about what it sounded like it was, but how wrong I was. What do I see but a bunch of posts where people revel in their own immoral behavior, much of which isn't simply loose, but that of someone most readily identifiable as a predator.
Many posters prefaced their comments with phrases like "I'm embarrassed," or "I don't know if this is [slutty\whorish\etc] or not," and the like. Newsflash, if you've engaged in extramarital affairs, shagging random strangers, flashing your bareness at others, and the like then you easily qualify for just about any degrading adjective that someone might care to affix to you. Furthermore, if you post such things on the internet you are clearly not embarrassed by it, but to the contrary you seek to indulge is self glorification over your behavior. You want other individuals to emerge with other similar stories so you can pretend that everyone does it, thus it must be an acceptable practice.
In fact it is not acceptable, or glamorous, or adventurous, or whatever spin you might care to attach, but instead merely deviant and deplorable. What kind of person coldly steps out on their significant other, let alone on a whim. Only someone without a shred of human decency and respect for their fellow human being could thusly comport themselves and then crow about their misdeeds to the world via a 100 page long thread on the internet.
I hope that the lot of you are truly shamed by your actions and spurred to reform your miscreant lives. If you pretend to care about yourselves, your loved ones, your nation, or humanity in general then you will act like adults and restrain your wicked impulses instead of letting them run free like some dark age barbarian.

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What the crap are you talking about??? This thread had nothing to do with cheating???????? :offtopic :violin

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Listen here chump, are you aware ive been drinking loved ones every day since you were nothing but a tiny thought deep in your daddys weiner? You think i give a damn about cows? bulls? goats? hell im no farmer, even if I was id milk that S*** like no tomorrow, but the difference between peoplelike YOU and people like ME is that im hung like a horse and would rather blend up 100 relatives than drink that vile S*** you speak of. good day

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Again what are the cows and stuff about???????? :lol: :spam :trolls

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Dunno luv I'm just here to raise the awareness lvl on the forum.Nothing personal sweetcheeks. Your fit by the way. :D

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Originally Posted by "KellyShorePlenty of men with a fantasy..not real. And not my type.[/quote

so are you saying you would never date a guy from this board?

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No I didn't say that..I said plenty of men with a fantasy and plenty of guys that aren't my type. There are a couple that have caught my eye and attention.

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^^ it doesnt but if a guy doesnt want to explore that or interested in a TS woman... then you wasted your time and his when you could have easily weeded him out...

heres my yahoo personal as an example....


http://dating.personals.yahoo.com/pr...ame=&frmsrch=1

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And why would you have any problems getting a date to need a personal? Why, if I lived in Texas... :)

Let this DIE...she moved!

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I didn't bother to read this whole thread because it's way too long for my attention span to handle, but, why do you ladies feel like you need to "straight" chase?? There's enough guys on these boards who consider themselves straight. You don't have to waste your time chasing the straights because you have enough on here already, who at a moments notice would love to take you out on a date.

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Plenty of men with a fantasy..not real. And not my type.

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co-sign

and how many of those are married, or attached on some level, and post tons of cock shots and quoted saying "id love to get my starfish punched w/ this" or something simiular?

exactly... so the 2 remaing guys.. prob arent even hot.. or in our area... so back to the "straight chase" lol

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^^ it doesnt but if a guy doesnt want to explore that or interested in a TS woman... then you wasted your time and his when you could have easily weeded him out...

heres my yahoo personal as an example....


http://dating.personals.yahoo.com/pr...ame=&frmsrch=1

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And why would you have any problems getting a date to need a personal? Why, if I lived in Texas... :)

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u just answered ur own question... i have an ad b/c i want someone LOCAL

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^^ it doesnt but if a guy doesnt want to explore that or interested in a TS woman... then you wasted your time and his when you could have easily weeded him out...

heres my yahoo personal as an example....


http://dating.personals.yahoo.com/pr...ame=&frmsrch=1

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And why would you have any problems getting a date to need a personal? Why, if I lived in Texas... :)

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u just answered ur own question... i have an ad b/c i want someone LOCAL

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Local yes, but you look great enough that I wouldn't think you'd have any trouble getting a guy. I'd imagine I'd have to beat off all of the other suitors with a stick. :)

u such state on profiles TS as u may b surprised how many males will reply... and most men who like TS's r actually straight!

I consider TS's as females and only as females and if a woman told me her 'secret' i would not be turned off at all!,
but for other men they may prefer if u were to put TS as not all men think the same as me and others like me!

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Whoever answered yes can you please give me your reasoning???

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If you're advertising yourself as a girl, then you're attracting guys who are looking for GIRLS. Why don't you just advertise who you are, and interested men will respond.

Example: If I advertised myself as a billionaire, what will I get? A bunch of girls interested in a billionaire. Then when I reveal that I'm not a billionaire, what do I get? Back to square one. If I'm honest up front, then I'll find the girls who are looking for someone like me.

My last gf was a TS and mom my sid this "She is the most beautiful woman you've ever broght home and she's more of a woman too". That statement shocked the crap out of me.
Look, you are definitely not a man and you are a little more than a woman.

good way to put it ^^^

or as i like to say...

im more woman then youll ever have and more man then youll ever be ;) lol

Didn't read the whole thread...lack of attention span...etc. Anyway, My vote is no. It is in no way deceptive to post as a female. IMO, that is what a TS (M2F) is. Crossdressing and Transvestism are entirely different things because a TS (m2f) gender identifies as a woman and may be gay or straight, which is a separate issue. The added bonus of posting as a female is that your responses will be from straight men, not gay men or bi-sexual men.

And it was asked earlier in this thread "why the personals ads" for obviously attractive Texas women? Well, there are a lot of losers in the world and any filtering process that can decrease the amount of time you waste on B.S. should be utilized at every opportunity.
Big Texas-Sized hug to TsnTx!

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Didn't read the whole thread...lack of attention span...etc. Anyway, My vote is no. It is in no way deceptive to post as a female. IMO, that is what a TS (M2F) is. Crossdressing and Transvestism are entirely different things because a TS (m2f) gender identifies as a woman and may be gay or straight, which is a separate issue. The added bonus of posting as a female is that your responses will be from straight men, not gay men or bi-sexual men.

And it was asked earlier in this thread "why the personals ads" for obviously attractive Texas women? Well, there are a lot of losers in the world and any filtering process that can decrease the amount of time you waste on B.S. should be utilized at every opportunity.
Big Texas-Sized hug to TsnTx!

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David is a smarty!

I don't think it's wrong. You are, after all, a female.
I do think that you should tell the guy your status fairly early on,
perhaps even before you meet him. It is, after all, an
important bit of information. If you wait until after several dates
then he may feel like you've been deceiving him. However,
nobody tells everything about themselves in a personals
ad. It might even be okay to go on a short coffee date with
a guy before you tell him. But I really wouldn't wait any longer
than that.

Quick question for Kelly...How often do you date (from personal ads or otherwise)? I tried the personals thing when I first moved to Dallas and dated about 2-3x a month through match and yahoopersonals. After all of that, I only remain in contact with 2 women; most that I met through those sites were walking trainwrecks. I figured out I was doing much better on my own. How have your experiences been?

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Quick question for Kelly...How often do you date (from personal ads or otherwise)? I tried the personals thing when I first moved to Dallas and dated about 2-3x a month through match and yahoopersonals. After all of that, I only remain in contact with 2 women; most that I met through those sites were walking trainwrecks. I figured out I was doing much better on my own. How have your experiences been?

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I've dated a couple guys off the Louisville Mojo account and am still friends with all of them and even hang out still. It never really got to the "romantic" point but going out to bars together and other recreational stuff yeah.

If you're going to list yourself on dating sites, and choose to place "female" under your category, you should clearly explain in your bio that you are a transexual. You'd be surprised how many guys would want to meet a girl like you!

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So I am on a few "straight sites"...and I put my status as female. And I talk to the guys for awhile to let them get to know me, then if I want to meet them I tell them. It usually works out in my favor, but there's always that small percent that get mad. Do you think I am wrong for doing it this way? Should I tell them flat out?

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usually in straight sites its either male or female so of coarse you would put female unless your a cd then your still a guy in your case i have no idea cause i dont know you and from your pix its alittle photoshopped, usually when a tgirl doctors her pix there hiding something huge flaws etc,but when im in a straight room out of respect i dont hide the fact im transgendered because thats what makes me special and im very proud of that fact,nor do i pretend i am someone i am not.just my thoughts

Just do what you ffeel is right.
There is no absolut answer to this kind of question.

there are plenty of guys seeking LTR with ts women. I believe there are sites that allow ts's to meet men who are looking for LTR. You just can't rush the process. It will happen when it is meant to happen. Your a beautiful girl if I didn't live in westchester NYC then I would definetley give you a call kelly :D

Kelly,

Would you be upset if someone was not honest with you in the very beginning? Or if they were honest, but the info was in fine print and you didn't notice until after you had become committed to the thought of seeing the person on a regular basis?

No decision on my part, just asking. Measuring good and bad in people is done all day long. If I got upset everytime, I may start going bald from the aggra-fucking-vation!!! :D

That Vicki song just pooped in my head but I put your name in its place:

"Hey Kelly, Hey Kelly, you so fine you broke my mind, Hey Kelly, Hey Kelly" :lol: