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My point is that sometimes context doesn't help; you used "gay" to insult him, whether done through comedy or seriousness you were labelling someone. Whether he wants to be seen as straight or gay; it's not your right to label him just to prove your point. How about in future just pointing out he can be who he wants to be and doesn't need a label rather than resort to poor humour?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aticus100
I've thought about your comments quite a bit and taken into consideration that they may be well intentioned and intended as advice.
But I prefer poor humour.
Actually, scrap that. You dived in to take offence on someone else's behalf by laying a weak claim to be offended by something without having a clue about the context. That's the kind of nonsense that sees Wing Commander Guy Gibson's dog written out of history lest someone take offence at its name.
If on a Transgender forum (FFS!) contributors can't use the word "gay" without you choosing to take up the mantle of the Humour Police when you decide it has been used in a context you don't approve then you need to ask yourself if you on the right kind forum!
Or seeing as we're on a Transgender forum you could consider that what you say to one person might not offend them but could others. As I said context is often irrelevant; your awful humour is secondary, your ease of using labels as an insult is worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aticus100
I've taken your justifications for what you said and why into consideration and I think you're guilty of hypocrisy. According to your posts you've found someone special, have a nice enough life to live away at the weekends and party at bars amongst others who you feel comfortable being yourself around but you also take the time to label people and make jokes about their sexuality.
Perhaps if you weren't apparently so lucky to have found acceptance in a world that can be quite vile about people's differences you would be less likely to make jokes at the expense of others.
I'd suggest that someone who thinks making jokes about people being in the closet really doesn't belong on a forum built on the acceptance of all our differences as a positive thing.
I’m more offended by a cis male using the term “tranny” as was done in thread title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester316
I think Lester, that you have completely lost yourself in your determination to be offended at the me making a joke about Holzz being in the closet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester316
You seem to be casting around for ways in which you can display that I have offended not only yourself but unnamed others.
As you say, we are on a forum in which a great many members will undoubtedly be “in the closet”. If ever there was a forum on which being in the closet was a relevant jocular reference then this is it.
Very good point; there are too many threads with titles that shouldn't have the names they do. Considering Grooby's push to rebrand I'm surprised on a forum they own that more of an effort hasn't been made to rectify that issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelliBlueEyes
Some discussion of that here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester316
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...g-Thread-Names
I haven't lost myself at all; but you still seem to think certain jokes are just fine sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aticus100
It's hard enough for people to come out; this forum could/should be a place where they might take their first steps in doing so (whether they are transitioning, gay, bi, confused or whatever) but instead how about we keep it a place where those lucky enough to be comfortable in their current situation can take the piss. You will be happy with that at least.
I think that’s and fair and reasonable propstiotion, however, like it or not I have a caveat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester316
I reserve the right to take the piss out of Holzz in any way I deam fit wether you choose to be offended on is behalf or not.
This is not a case of me choosing some random poor and undeserving individual to pick on and as someone who has been on this forum far longer than myself you must know this.
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Originally Posted by Laphroaig
And i read that discussion
Shameful that it’s acceptable and common to use a slur against trans people on a trans oriented forum, but if i started a thread “sex with [insert slur here]” I’d get shit for it
Oh get over it. Language policing is a bore, and while "tranny" may be coarse, it's not exactly like saying 'faggot' or the n word. It's a word that mostly refers to transsexuals in the context of porn, a sort of shorthand. I've never understood why it's offensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelliBlueEyes
Yet you "policed" yourself by not saying the n word...:shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by Crossover1
Just because you don't understand why a word is offensive doesn't mean that it isn't. For example, "Paki" is just an abbreviation of the word Pakistani, yet it's generally accepted these days that it's use is derogatory and offensive. As with many aspects of language, the context of use is important.
I dont consider myself gay, bi yes, but not gay. I do love transsexuals.. a lot. Damn i find them so arousing. My dream would be to be fucked by one
So if i start a thread entitled “Is it gay to be attracted/intimate with faggots?” that’s only offensive to fags? I guess that’s fine since there are no fags here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossover1
Are you the target of that term though? You don't find it offensive as it isn't aimed at you perhaps; in which case how can you tell someone who it is aimed at how they should feel about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossover1
The exact same argument you used was applied through history for no end of words including the N and F words you mentioned and it has only been as time has moved on; communities have gained a greater voice than when they were more oppressed than now and when others have been better educated as to what is right and wrong that those terms were finally seen as unacceptable by a greater majority of people.
Treating people equally whomever they are doesn't stop once some minority groups aren't being persecuted and/or disrespected as much as they were in the past; equality is only real when it applies to everyone. Language history teaches us that dominant cultures "other" those they fear or don't understand by using terms to make them appear strange, different and less equal. On a forum like this we should be leading the example for change not choosing to continue to offend because it doesn't bother us.
I will admit I don't always agree with Holzz's posts; I've argued with him on occasion and most likely called him an idiot at least once. I still think that there are better ways - take the piss out of him without making certain comparisons we've debated in this thread perhaps. But I will concede that in the very least using my own logic I ought to apologise to idiots in general - as in the past I didn't mean to offend them I was just trying to make him realise what he was saying was ludicrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aticus100
don't worry, i'm not offended. he doesn't seem to like me, but i dont give two, ten, a million, a quintillion, fucks. lol.
Getting back to the ? My opinion is that it is Not gay to be attracted or intimate with a Transexual.
Is it gay? It might be. Does it matter?
I am 45 years old now. I used to worry to death about what was gay and what wasn't. I don't anymore. It is a futile exercise. I like what I like and that's all that matters.
Same with me really. I really enjoy sucking cock....but only when it’s attached to a stunning ladyboy/TS/TV. So must be in some part Bi?Quote:
Originally Posted by william.howl
I don’t often agree with you Holzz, that has nothing to do with wether I like you or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
well i disagree with you. i get your point that a trans woman may have a dick. and that alone may make it gay. i don't agree. for me, it's a cock AND a woman's appearance. cocks alone don't do it for me at least. but no matter, we all have our views.
in my opinion, the criteria to definite yourself as gay is if u are attracted or not by the male figure...if u are attracted by a pretty tgirl who happens to have a cock, it makes u a rather a naughty person or open to pleasures without hesitation, but not a gay definitily..of course this urge, can lead sometimes in more ..gay situations , but it depends on how u really feel.
I don't think it's gay. I love women. I have gay friends. We're not attracted to the same people. As for the language we use, I just try to be respectful and call people what they want to be called. Having said that, I do type in certain words when I search for porn because I have to in order to find what I like.
I guess I can see how that works.Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
If a feminine individual is attractive enough, I will fancy them weather they have a penis or a vagina and I will work with whatever is in their underwear.
Conversely, if a person is masculine enough, be they guy, manley TS or masculine woman, then I will not be attracted to them, no matter what is in their underwear.
To that extent, I see that as being straight but am entirely comfortable with people seeing me as straight, bi, gay, pan, whatever suits their comprehension best.
At the end of the day, others peoples opinion of me is their concern, not mine.
Here’s what I feel and think. If the Trans is good looking, sexy and has a great personality than I’m attracted. Of course I know she has a cock which makes it more appetizing for me but she has to have a femine side or I’m not into her.
It makes no difference what anyone thinks. If they are hot I am attracted to them. No guys don’t do it for me in anyway so as most guys would say. A lady with something extra!
In a simple answer, yes and no. Yes this may be the gateway to gaydom. No if you leave it at trans women only.
I however have blurred the line so beautifully and enjoy the gay porn as well as the TS, And really just depends on my mood. Lol. (But that's just me)
My thoughts on this have swayed back and forth over the last few days )let alone the last few years)
Lots of opinion here that it is not gay because t girls are actualy women. We all know that they are factually male.
This essentially means that it is not down to what gender a TS is but what gender we perceive them as.
So the answer to “is it gay to be attracted to a TS?”
Only you know the answer for you.
they look, smell, and act like women. it's the same reason why men like cis women.
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/50/dc/ba/5...359c3a0368.jpg
https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_i...rop&crop=faces
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DR0TbJdWkAAb-AU.jpg:large
the bottom two women are cis, whilst obviously Bailey Jay is trans. i don't see a difference, hence why i don't think liking trans women can be gay. but we're all arguing in circles, we all have our views, that is that. i'm not here to convince anybody what or who is right.
I think if the pictures were naked, you might see a difference :)
I can't believe this debate goes on and on.
Since the topic of the thread didn’t specify gender I just want to throw in my two cents that I think it would be pretty gay for cis males To sleep with any of my trans male friends even if they have vaginas are and are pretty hot
It definitely would be. This is a very good point. I've never considered this.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelliBlueEyes
I dig both male-to-female and female-to-males. I guess there is no get out clause for me. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by KelliBlueEyes
Personally from a standpoint of logic, if a trans woman (MtF) considers herself in every aspect but her sexual organ to be a woman, if you slept with her or had a relationship with her, how could you as an individual logically think that is gay? Fuck what society thinks, what do you think?
Same scenario for a FtM person, if they consider themselves male and you do the same, how could you logically think that someone who identifies themselves as a man, and you identify yourself as a man, is not gay.
A physical act is neither inherently gay or not gay, people base that shit on what society claims and deems it as, which I say again, fuck what society thinks.
Whew :yayo:
Read some, didn't find a conclusion.
Now can someone tell me, am I gay or not?
:banana:
I don't feel either. I eat pussy and swallow semen. I am attracted to women and ts women that are passable.
I once asked a gay man is he into transgender women and he said he wasn't interested. He's now married to another man. Gay men are attracted masculinity. straight men are attracted to femininity.
I wouldn't consider a trans-attracted man to be fully heterosexual. Sexuality isn't binary, it's spectrum. There's grey area in between and transwomen are closer to femininity than masculinity.
The interesting question is why someone attracted to feminity rather than masculinity is specifically drawn to transwomen. Presumably, the answer must be that it's the combination of feminine and masculine that they are drawn to, though some seem to be in denial about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Discodavis
I've analysed this question in myself and it's hard to pin down. I'm not at all attracted to men who present as men and would feel uncomfortable if one made a pass at me. Yet I can be attracted to trans (or even CDs) without them having to necessarily be totally feminine. It seems like all it takes is enough disguising of the masculine (long hair, makeup, removal of body hair, etc) that my brain is not thinking "that's a man".
I guess at the end of the day we like what we like and there's no point worrying about it. Still, I can't help wondering whether there's a bit of self-delusion involved.
I am attracted to various forms of female, women with vaginas and women with penises. I love penis. ❤️
When I have a penis in my mouth it calms my nerves, my adhd, tourettes, anxiety and depression. A penis down my throat makes me stop and observe my world in my mind. I become happy, calm and I get a sense that my life actually matters because I am helping a person feel really good and I fully accept them by swallowing their load and that person becomes a part of me in some degree.
The more penis I suck the happier I am because I make people feel really, really good.
The world is better off in a small way because I love penis. ❤️