He-he or He-she

LOL Whats funny is I've referred to a lot of TS as woman and have been corrected sometimes and they say I'm not a woman.

Hello Jade. I hope all is going well for you lately.

In response to your question, I can honestly say that I think of t-ladies as women, some of whom have male genitalia, some of whom do not. I consider crossdressers to be men, but I do consider t-ladies to be women.

And I find the term "it" to be highly insulting.

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jarrod

Nope. However I keep trying to forget that at one point all Tgurls were men in the past, that's why I've never been a fan of before and after pix.

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I put the past out of my mind. I go by who/what the person is NOW.

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Originally Posted by Bicycology

- and none of us would bed down with someone who looked, acted or dressed like a guy - and here's the kicker - if a hot woman could effectively mimic a man, we'd wanna puke.

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I certainly have no attraction to GGs who act and/or appear manly.

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Originally Posted by Arianna

Wtf are talking about? Are you drunk? This is possibly thee most worthless post ever made on HA. What total pseudo-intellectual bullshit.

Is this the kind of mind-numbing gibberish you poor people on the politics and religion forum have been putting up with?

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Arianna, I'll agree with I_Love_Cristina_Bianchini on this. TFan is a master of mind-numbing gibberish, but we kind of like him 'cause he makes us laugh.

But I do beg to differ. That post by TFan was not the most worthless post ever made on HA. Trawl through the archives and I think you'll find many posts of similar or greater worthlessnes have been posted by TFan and his buddy White_Male_Canada. Although he did make an effort on this latest one.

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To Jade:

It's a complicated question.

Yes, I see you as a woman (and a very attractive one, at that), but that something extra confuses the equation. You see, if you were just like any other women, many of us probably wouldn't hang around here so much. You know this as well as we do- that something is part of what you're selling at the moment. The extra something is- initally at least- part of the attraction, and it makes it difficult for us to think of you as women, just like any other woman that we might see in the street, in a shop or on TV.

After a while, it stops being about the sex organ of course. Then we guys can learn to appreciate you girls fully and to also be attract to you for other reasons. And it doesn't make a difference whether you've decided to keep your bits or not, becuase- even though we'd like to play with it and touch, kiss or feel it- we realise that for many girls, sex reassignment is the final step to fulfillment. Most of the veteran posters here accept that, even though we may not like it.

But, in any case, I would treat you like a woman, because I know that this is not just how you want to be treated but how you really are. The girls here are women in every way- but one, in most cases- (and being a woman or man has as much to do with how you feel as it has with how you look). I would never see any of them as a man or treat them like a man. But as I say, I think it is complicated, escpecially in the case of a relationship with a pre-op/non-op.

I am actually almost more confused know than when I began reading your question. I'm hoping the above makes sense. Like I said, it's complicated.

That's my two cents' worth anyway.

To the original poster: Sorry, i can't read all of this. but oh my god, fuck him. Fuck any guy who call you a he..

you said he's nice? I am sorry, but unless he is really ignorant..calling a ts woman a he is never nice.

but whatever , he's just a client

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

Sadly there are times when queer people can be really shitty friends, lovers, and allies to trans women. There are some queer people who will intentionally disrespect your gender if they clock you as trans.

In a strangely parallel fashion, some gay men will emulate their straight counterparts by fucking T girls and convincing themselves that it is still Gay sex (Just like straight guys feel the need to confirm their heterosexuality before they gobble cock) They ultimately cannot deal with the confusion that results from being attracted to a woman.

My FTM friends deal with this perhaps even more intensely. Gay men attracted to Trans guys will often ultimately disrespect them and call them She. Dykes will call trans guys she because they want to fuck them and they don't want to be straight.

I guess what I mean to say, is, it sounds like this guy was really confused. Sometimes all you can do is laugh.

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oh my, i know some queer guys think they are better than us. God, fuck them. :)

I ALWAYS call a t-girl she or her because in my mind they ARE girls. Penis or pussy does not count.If they go through everyday life as women,then they are women.Allanah is right.It is a total disrespect to use masculine pronouns or terminology to identify a tg. I am always respectful and kind to all the girls I meet.