Production and promotion standards in the TS niche

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

GG's in porn don't face the nearly constant self loathing and doubt that TS do in regards to our appearances.

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Ohhh, yes they do! Most women are extremely insecure, but it's that very self doubt that keeps a GG from talking about it in the first place. I think in general they just hide it better than we do.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

GG's in porn don't face the nearly constant self loathing and doubt that TS do in regards to our appearances.

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Ohhh, yes they do! Most women are extremely insecure, but it's that very self doubt that keeps a GG from talking about it in the first place. I think in general they just hide it better than we do.

~BB~

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No, I mean GG's don't have to worry about not being passable. Guys like to see girls get messy, they will pay a fortune to watch it (go look at Kink sometime, girls only start out looking good). As a TS I don't worry about not looking my prettiest, I worry about my viewers seeing something manly in a picture. That is what I mean by constant doubt and self-loathing that is particular to TS women in the porn industry.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Again, what's so far fetched about someone who has control over someone's else career exercising that control for the 'greater good.' If I'm willing to make sacrifices so that other models can have better benefits, what makes people think others wouldn't do so to protect their larger interests?

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We are talking about pornographers, porn talent/hookers, adult webmasters, etc. Now, I'm certainly not advocating that just because the business is "seedy" that people shouldn't have business ethics. But what I am saying is that I think it is Pollyannaish to expect it from this group of people (and trust me, I've spent the last 30 years getting yelled at by almost every partner I've ever had for doing the same thing, so I'm not saying it to belittle you, I'm saying it because I'm recognizing one of my own personal faults in someone else).

Also, at this point I'm not quite sure exactly what "sacrifices" you are refering to? Would you care to enlighten me?

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Right, but the models that cater to that 'demographic' know who their audience is and accept the degrading role they've been offered.

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Actually, you could make that exact same claim about any TS who knowingly does a shoot for any known site that you are complaining about in the OP, can't you? I mean, as I said in a prior post: you know the type of things the site posts, what their production values are, etc.: they are not a secret. So if you accept a gig from them, what makes you any different than the models in these other niches? unless you are saying that the producers make promises as to what they will do and then break them, but so far that is not what I think am seeing. What I'm seeing is Grooby et al being very up front about what they plan on putting out there. It seems to me like it's more of a problem of girls not paying attention to what they should be, taking gigs without doing the proper research into who they are doing business with, and them being surprised when the production company does what they have always done, but the girl didn't pay enough attention to realize what she was getting herself into.

I don't understand this discussion.

Is it aimed at the photographer or the end user?

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Originally Posted by Jericho

I don't understand this discussion.

Is it aimed at the photographer or the end user?

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From what I can see, it's calling out the producers, but it is actually aimed in reality at the site owners.

But for today's irony: someone just posted a partial set of pics of Vanity from the "uber-professional" shop (and as an aside, a mod here asked me a hypothetical question the other day of "if you could be with ANY TS in the world, who would it be"" and my answer was her) and I'm looking at the pics and thinking that she's looking at them and thinking some of the same thoughts about those pics as are being complained about in the OP (while OBVIOUSLY not to the same degree. I'm looking at shots and seeing things that if I was trying to do my best to make Vanity look her absolute best on a "glamor shoot", I never would have let go through (like a pic where she looks like she has a gut, another with an obvious facial blemish or make-up blunder which easily could have been corrected, etc.).

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Originally Posted by slinky

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Originally Posted by Jericho

I don't understand this discussion.

Is it aimed at the photographer or the end user?

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From what I can see, it's calling out the producers, but it is actually aimed in reality at the site owners.

But for today's irony: someone just posted a partial set of pics of Vanity from the "uber-professional" shop (and as an aside, a mod here asked me a hypothetical question the other day of "if you could be with ANY TS in the world, who would it be"" and my answer was her) and I'm looking at the pics and thinking that she's looking at them and thinking some of the same thoughts about those pics as are being complained about in the OP (while OBVIOUSLY not to the same degree. I'm looking at shots and seeing things that if I was trying to do my best to make Vanity look her absolute best on a "glamor shoot", I never would have let go through (like a pic where she looks like she has a gut, another with an obvious facial blemish or make-up blunder which easily could have been corrected, etc.).

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I just looked at the photos in question and see none of what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

As far as the activism thing goes, I sum it up to this: it's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it. It might as well be me. Can you see Kimber or Kelly Shore or Yasmine Lee doing it? I didn't think so. lol

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Well what's the job, you've not stated any facts about from having a bit of a whine. I really can't see Kimber, Kelly or Yasmine doing something about nothing. Why do you think it's your job - you've barely scratched the surface of the industry in the what, 2 months since you've been appearing on websites? :roll:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

And I'm not alleging that there's a conspiracy. It's not that complicated. Again, what's so far fetched about someone who has control over someone's else career exercising that control for the 'greater good.' If I'm willing to make sacrifices so that other models can have better benefits, what makes people think others wouldn't do so to protect their larger interests?

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What is the "greater good"? What sacrifices have you made? You obviously are alleging a conspiracy yet you've made no points or stated any facts.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I may be wrong, but I'm not paranoid. It's just a theory.

~BB~

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You may be wrong, your certainly paranoid. You have no theory or substantiated facts. Your spouting a bunch of inneundos that nobody else seems to support?

after reading through all this i can understand both sides
i have over time joined many sites and one of the things i have noticed is content for contents sake

i can understand some producers not wanting to use the best shots from a set for promotion and also their experience in knowing what will sell or not sell
i know that girls i have shot have always told me they didn't like that pose or that face ezpression (i don't shoot porn) yet they are some of the shots that i have liked the best
most of this all comes down to a matter of personal opinion and they are all going to differ widely
in the business you are all in it comes down to what sells that is important

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Excellent point. Except that you neglect to mention that there's too much politicking that goes on in our niche so sometimes the best thing for a studio to do is to make a short-term sacrifice in order to neutralize a long-term threat.

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Huh? More gibberish. Whose a threat to whom?

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

In my case, I tend to challenge the major players in this game in an effort to improve the situation for both myself and the younger models who dare not speak up.

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I've never heard you challenge anyone? What have I missed? Maybe I'm just not a major player...
What younger models dare not speak up?

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Is it really that far fetched to believe that there are some who wish that I would just shut up and go away and who want to keep me and others like me from getting any more modeling work by marketing us improperly? It seems like a pretty simple solution to the problem of those who would question the authority of the supposed hierarchy.

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Frankly, I think it's far fetched that anyone has heard of anything you've said. This is the most entertaining posts I've seen in a while. What is the "supposed hierarchy" and where does everyone rank.
Your talking absolute bollocks, love.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Girls tell me all the time that porn and activism don't mix and I argue to the contrary because what they are saying is only true if one cares about their modeling career more than they do about making a difference. I don't.

~BB~

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Do you have a modeling career? What is your activism for? Better health checks? Fairer pay? More control.
Your not stating anything whatsoever.

Entertaining though ...