What happens to tgirls when they get old(er)?

Most tgirls I've met relish in their femininity... I think its why many guys like tgirls, many are more girly than any gg...

As for looking less feminine with a cock?... I don't think so.

Procreation (though its likely the subconscious motivation for being turned on) is the last thing on my mind.

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Are you up on this stuff, Peggy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBL_controversy

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I am indeed aware of the theories espoused by Blanchard, Bailey,
Lawrence, et al, and while I don't agree with them in totality, I feel that
there are elements of merit to it, much as the works of Benjamin
still have degrees of credibility.

In discussing and attempting to understand gender dysphoria we must
have some frame of reference. And while Blanchard and Bailey may not
have always employed the best techniques in validating and quantifying
their research, and then allowed themselves to become embroiled in
gender politics, I do applaud and encourage anyone who is willing to
attempt to bring some clarity to such a challenging subject.

:2cent

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So you feel that there are true and untrue transsexuals?

Do you feel that you had SRS because it corrected a mistake, or because it just made life easier? Was it easier to feel at home in your own skin because people like Phobun wouldn't assign freak-status to you? Btw, what do you think of the way Phobun speaks to me? Or, let's put it another way. Even if you would absolve me of such things, does his philosophy have merit?

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I am of the Benjamin school primarily, thus I feel that there are "true" and
untrue transsexuals. I would also daresay that I feel that some women
have transitioned solely for economic reasons, and some purely for
sexual ones.

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Do you feel that you had SRS because it corrected a mistake, or because it just made life easier?

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For me it was primarily to correct a mistake, though in some instances it
has made life easier.

As to you and Phobun, I must admit that when any two or more posters
are engaing in non-productive discourse that I attempt to avoid those
threads.

I will say that I feel that alll posters, irregardless of their gender should
be respectful of the other and not engage in ad hominem attacks.

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Some of them enter politics like German chancellor Angela Merkel.

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ossiendlagerung != prossieendlagerung

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Sind wir jetzt Ösis oder Ossis? Die letzteren sollen angeblich Ostdeutsche sein. :lol:

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nicht du angela
sie ist ein weiblicher kinderloser geschiedener evangelischer ossi

also perfekt für die union

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And this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity

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For myself, I most definetely subscibe to a binary definition of gender - male, female.

Third gender, gender variant, gender queer are not an option gender
orientation wise for me, though admittedly I am mildly bisexual, though
that is an issue of sexual orientation moreso.

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So the third gender is not an option. Does that make you a pseudo woman? Because you aren't a biological one. Are you one of God's imperfect creatures?

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Again, no, in this context of 3rd gender, or any actually. - By the by, this is copied and pasted :P :

The terms third gender and third sex describe individuals who are considered to be neither women nor men, as well as the social category present in those societies who recognize three or more genders.

The state of being neither male nor female may be understood in relation to the individual's biological sex, gender role, gender identity, or sexual orientation. To different cultures or individuals, a third sex or gender may represent an intermediate state between men and women, a state of being both (such as "the spirit of a man in the body of a woman"), the state of being neither (neuter), the ability to cross or swap genders, or another category altogether independent of male and female. This last definition is favored by those who argue for a strict interpretation of the "third gender" concept.

The term has been used to describe Hijras of India and Pakistan,[1] Fa'afafine of Polynesia, and Sworn virgins of the Balkans,[2] among others, and is also used by many of such groups and individuals to describe themselves.

The term "third" is usually understood to mean "other"; some anthropologists and sociologists have described fourth,[3] fifth,[4] and many[5] genders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

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I wil stick by my statement that by necessity or choice a fair number of
transwomen are not planning for the future.

This can even be evidenced by this thread, we are not seeing many
responses to the question "What happens to tgirls when they get old er)?".

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Well, neither are a lot of people. But ok. Let's say they aren't planning. You could say that becoming a nun shows lack of planning. Just kinda letting God sort it out for you. Same thing with becoming an actress, or even an artist. I'm not sure that transwomen are quite in the downward spiral you'te portraying them to be in.

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As to your contenton that I see being pre op as a problem, again I will
maintain that you are incorrect. There are many pre op, (though perhaps
non op would be more accurate) women who are very happy with their
penis, they do not suffer any angst from it. Indeed it could be said that
they do not suffer from gender dysphoria.

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Is it having a penis that's the cause of GID, or is it living as a male? And do you think that those people not suffering from GID are actually "autogynephiliacs", and not "true" transsexuals?

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like many of the other members of this and other forums, I write on
many things, some GID related, some not, but I am certain that there has
been no paucity of information from me on the topic.

Admittedly, my posts my not have dick pics, or be of a pruient nature, and
can at times be pedantic and verbose, but they are there for anyone that
wants to peruse them.

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Right, but you realize that this is a forum mostly about chicks with dicks. So it's not like you'd be preaching to the choir. It's a bit against the grain. Not necessarily a bad thing, but you know it's a bit contra.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

And this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity

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For myself, I most definetely subscibe to a binary definition of gender - male, female.

Third gender, gender variant, gender queer are not an option gender
orientation wise for me, though admittedly I am mildly bisexual, though
that is an issue of sexual orientation moreso.

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So the third gender is not an option. Does that make you a pseudo woman? Because you aren't a biological one. Are you one of God's imperfect creatures?

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Again, no, in this context of 3rd gender, or any actually. - By the by, this is copied and pasted :P :

The terms third gender and third sex describe individuals who are considered to be neither women nor men, as well as the social category present in those societies who recognize three or more genders.

The state of being neither male nor female may be understood in relation to the individual's biological sex, gender role, gender identity, or sexual orientation. To different cultures or individuals, a third sex or gender may represent an intermediate state between men and women, a state of being both (such as "the spirit of a man in the body of a woman"), the state of being neither (neuter), the ability to cross or swap genders, or another category altogether independent of male and female. This last definition is favored by those who argue for a strict interpretation of the "third gender" concept.

The term has been used to describe Hijras of India and Pakistan,[1] Fa'afafine of Polynesia, and Sworn virgins of the Balkans,[2] among others, and is also used by many of such groups and individuals to describe themselves.

The term "third" is usually understood to mean "other"; some anthropologists and sociologists have described fourth,[3] fifth,[4] and many[5] genders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

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Again, this is somewhat in the ballpark of true and untrue, right? Some are a 3rd gender, but you aren't? Is it a philosophical or biological difference? Or both?

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

One last question. If "vaginas are beautiful", aren't cocks beautiful too? And if they are, doesn't that mean a beautiful woman can have a beautiful cock? Or does a cock look ugly on a woman? Being mildly bi, what do you think? Does a cock look good on a chick?

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I prefer men to women, mate wise, I have been involved with women
before and could see myself again, with the right one.

Comparing pussies to dicks, is a bit like comparing apples to oranges,
though I will say that for me I find a vagina more aethetically different,
they are like snowflakes with two being alike, wheras once you've seen
a bunch of cocks you pretty much have seen them all.

Then too I love my pussy, it looks great, feels great, smells great,
can't say that I taste it oftem, but have been told it tastes great. I had a
nice cock, it was large, looked nice, but it wasn't the right thing for me.

And yes there are many beautiful transwomen. Do cocks look good on
them? For the most part i don't really look, though there are some that
I could see myself kicking it with if our personalities clicked.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

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Originally Posted by peggygee

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

Are you up on this stuff, Peggy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBL_controversy

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I am indeed aware of the theories espoused by Blanchard, Bailey,
Lawrence, et al, and while I don't agree with them in totality, I feel that
there are elements of merit to it, much as the works of Benjamin
still have degrees of credibility.

In discussing and attempting to understand gender dysphoria we must
have some frame of reference. And while Blanchard and Bailey may not
have always employed the best techniques in validating and quantifying
their research, and then allowed themselves to become embroiled in
gender politics, I do applaud and encourage anyone who is willing to
attempt to bring some clarity to such a challenging subject.

:2cent

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So you feel that there are true and untrue transsexuals?

Do you feel that you had SRS because it corrected a mistake, or because it just made life easier? Was it easier to feel at home in your own skin because people like Phobun wouldn't assign freak-status to you? Btw, what do you think of the way Phobun speaks to me? Or, let's put it another way. Even if you would absolve me of such things, does his philosophy have merit?

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I am of the Benjamin school primarily, thus I feel that there are "true" and
untrue transsexuals. I would also daresay that I feel that some women
have transitioned solely for economic reasons, and some purely for
sexual ones.

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Do you feel that you had SRS because it corrected a mistake, or because it just made life easier?

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For me it was primarily to correct a mistake, though in some instances it
has made life easier.

As to you and Phobun, I must admit that when any two or more posters
are engaing in non-productive discourse that I attempt to avoid those
threads.

I will say that I feel that alll posters, irregardless of their gender should
be respectful of the other and not engage in ad hominem attacks.

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So going as far as dividing TS into true and untrue, or if they're in it for the money and the sexual rush or not; those are pretty cut and dry issues for you. Heated debates over such things are simply unnecessary and non-productive. lol

And you agree with him, but you think he should simply patronize me, the way you patronize "untrue" TS. lol

While we're at it, do you see any untrue TS on this forum, or would you rather not mention names? ;) lol

Btw, that must be kinda neat, being a true TS. Kinda kicks it up a notch. lol

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

Is it having a penis that's the cause of GID, or is it living as a male? And do you think that those people not suffering from GID are actually "autogynephiliacs", and not "true" transsexuals?

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I'm going to have to get back with you on the morrow, I
need to turn in, you know us middle-aged women need
our beauty sleep.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2...llersredux.jpg

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

One last question. If "vaginas are beautiful", aren't cocks beautiful too? And if they are, doesn't that mean a beautiful woman can have a beautiful cock? Or does a cock look ugly on a woman? Being mildly bi, what do you think? Does a cock look good on a chick?

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I prefer men to women, mate wise, I have been involved with women
before and could see myself again, with the right one.

Comparing pussies to dicks, is a bit like comparing apples to oranges,
though I will say that for me I find a vagina more aethetically different,
they are like snowflakes with two being alike, wheras once you've seen
a bunch of cocks you pretty much have seen them all.

Then too I love my pussy, it looks great, feels great, smells great,
can't say that I taste it oftem, but have been told it tastes great. I had a
nice cock, it was large, looked nice, but it wasn't the right thing for me.

And yes there are many beautiful transwomen. Do cocks look good on
them? For the most part i don't really look, though there are some that
I could see myself kicking it with if our personalities clicked.

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So pussies are like snowflakes, but all cocks look the same?!? Mother Mary and Joseph!!! lol ;)

That sounds kinda non-gay TS ie. untrue. ;) Have you ever turned yourself on by looking in the mirror? ;)