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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter
Even though you're probably wrong for that, I laughed.
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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter
Even though you're probably wrong for that, I laughed.
Again, I say congrats to Buck, he's a true pioneer and appears from his posts and rep to be a nice guy as well. Yet I basically agree with Vicki's comments, the only problem being that there is no category for Buck otherwise. How many transmen are doing porn? Two? (Buck and Diesel?) That's not a category, and his work should be respected and considered. Yet Vicki's point holds that TS who have worked so hard to become the women they are inside should not be compared to men, and likewise TS who have worked so hard to become the men they are inside shouldn't be compared to women. The categories are quite distinct in this regard. But until there are sufficient transmen in porn to justify their own category, what do you do? Ignore them? Bad. Put them in with the TS women? Bad. Lump them in some "freak" category? Really bad.
So props to Buck for winning, but there are some basic problems with porn taxonomy.
true there b1!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardedOne
You know I feel very sad that my sisters are so pissed that I won an award that I deserved. AVN had the balls to give it to me. Again please read what the award is given for.
I have fought my way into an industry that was so closed minded to me. Most all of you were not the first. You had someone open the door for you. Well that is what I am doing. I am the first Transsexual man pornstar. It is because of me that guys like Deisel can even think of doing this.
I am a pioneer in an industry that does not like change. They wanted to make me into a freak I stood my ground. If you read the many interviews I have done around the world you will see. And yes I have had tons of exposure this last year because I fucking work my ass off with no backing. This is all my own company. I do not have a big studio behind me like most of you girls. I do not escort to make money I only do porn films to make my living.
Jesus christ Vicki you of all people should just be happy. You know your good friend Danille that you told not to do a movie with has already contacted me to do one. Because she sees the value in what I am doing.
How many mainstream shows have you been on? How much mainstream exposure do you give us porn transsexuals. I bet nothing like what I do and will in the next year. Sorry you think I don't deserve this award but I have it and it is mine because I deserve it. I really was hoping to get more of a positive feedback from you but you have showed your true colors to bad for you.
Proudly,
Buck Angel
2007 AVN Transsexual Performer of the Year
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Originally Posted by Buck Angel
You go Buck! You should be proud.
So who is next on your tgirl list to do a video shoot with?
seanchai
congrats buck :lol:
No disrespect to anyone involved, but having a lump all category like Best Transsexual, with one FTM and 5 MTF, is like having a Best Pet contest with 1 dog and 5 cats. The 5 cats will split the cat fans votes while the dog will get all the pro-dog votes and all the anti-cat ones . If the voters were evenly divided between cat fans and dog fans, the dog would get 50 per cent of the votes, and the cats would average 10 per cent each. Thats a huge margin, and it means that if only 25 per cent of the dog fans voted, the dog would still probably get more votes than any one cat would. Even if there are way more cat fans than dog fans, say 4 to 1 or 80 per cent to 20 per cent, the dog would get 20 per cent of the votes and the cats would average at 16 per cent of the vote. Similarly, if only 10 or 20 per cent of the voters were cat haters and would never vote for a cat, the dog would likely get more anti-cat votes than the total pro cat votes than any single cat would get. Its pretty close to impossible for a cat to win under those circumstances.
But Buck ddn't make the rules, and its unfair to blame him for their result. Congrats to him for the award and to all the nominees. It really is an honor to be recognized for your work.
FK
Your analogy is in-correct. It would be like having a Best Pet Performance and the award would be given on the best performance - not the individual pet - or one group of persons preference for a certain pet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felicia Katt
Buck was voted the PERFORMER among a few PERFORMERS - the fact he's a dog and the rest were pussies, isn't the issue.
seanchai
Unless there are some objective, quantifiable parts to the performances here that I am unaware of, this is a case of entirely subjective assessments and my analogy holds. It doesn't matter if you are comparing 1 dog to 5 cats, or one pet fetching sticks to 5 others playing with yarn, when comparing one excelllent but unique performance or performer to 5 other excellent but similar performances or performers , the unique one will almost always get more votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Instead of going back and forth like cats and dogs on this issse, can we agree that Avn should be in the doghouse for barely throwing transgender performers and performances a bone? I mean, they have separate awards for best actor and actess for video and film for straight productions? They lump all transsexuals into one category but they think that film and video productions need to be separate? AVN has 4 best straight performer awards and about 8 other categories to recognize and honor other straight performers (best newcomer, crossover, best solo etc etc) and just one for Transgender, and dozens of awards for best movies and scenes for straight video and just one of each for transgender productions. That is just wrong, or as they say down south, "That dog won't hunt"
FK
Nope your analogy is completely wrong - which is why we have Best Actor role in the Oscars and not a Best Caucasion Actor, Best Latin Actor, etc. I wasn't really expecting you to admit an error, god forbid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felicia Katt
Also, AVN is Adult Video News. Transsexual adult videos, although huge to us in the scene, are not that big a niche within the overall market, it's small so having three awards in the transgender category would seem fair enough to me. There are plenty of other niches which only get partial representation.
What we might want to get away from is the fact that AVN is the be all and end all of everything. It's not - it's a promotional magazine that advertises videos/DVDs for the industry. There is no panel of judges from the industry peers (that I know of), there is not voting from consumers - the awards are chosen by a handul of people who work for AVN. Winning an award doesn't make or break a performer or a DVD, it's nice as a bit of flash on the cover of the box and for bragging rights but that's about it.
In fact, I think we'll withdraw from even putting in nominations next year and re-write our box covers "AVN AWARD Winner - Never" to see if it affects sales.
seanchai