Obama is smooth...

Pure homophobia is why those states voted against gay partnerships. And I'm afraid there are many religious bigots who promote this hatred of gays for their "unnatural" practices etc. After all its in the book. It takes a long time for people to overcome inbred and religiously fostered prejudices. Devout Muslems and Christians share this hatred of gay and transgendered people.

I do actually agree with OMK re the president on this. It was Joe Biden who had the guts to go public and this put the president in a position where he'd no choice but to say publicly what he may have privately felt for a long time. It may cause him some political damage. But equally some equivocating Middle ground voters may swing behind him on the issue.

The notion that the liberals should have been more polite to southern bigots is just ludicrous.

And re Hilary and the killing of Bin Laden. Well she was responding to a question about the political impact on the President - not the impact on the lives of the Seals and their families. So it is dishonest to use this to hammer Obama.

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LMFAO! Everyone knew knees would have to find a way to attack the president on this but he chose a pretty hilariously stupid way.

Right, the reason so many states have passed marriage amendments is not because they want to deny civil rights to a minority of Americans that do icky things in the bedroom, no, no, not that, it's because us libruls didn't say please. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! In fact, in the 60's white Southerners actually would have been happy to extend civil rights to blacks, they totally wanted to, but those damn civil rights activists were just so damn pushy and kept insisting they were right that the Southerners had to literally let the dogs out (Mitt knows what I'm saying, woof woof!) and let the firehoses out and the billy clubs.

Yup, the problem is not intolerance, it's the uppity fags who demand their rights before we're comfortable. What about my feelings? I mean, it's your life but if it grosses me out to imagine you fucking, shouldn't I able to vote to take away your rights?

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This.^

Fuck this "extending respect" bullshit. What kind of ass-kissy nonsense is that? It's no one's business, it never was, and it never will be. Christianity is a glorified cult with no basis in reality anyway. Waiting for these simpletons to become "comfortable" with something is a waste of precious time. And Obama can "evolve" all he likes. But it's none of his business either. If you're against gay marriage, don't marry a gay person. It's pretty simple. No one tells these rednecks and hillbillies that they can't marry their underage cousins. So let them learn to mind their own business.

As the first black president, Obama has to be right on everything. Not now. 50 years from now. He's sowing seeds. For National Healthcare, he has taken the first step. For LGTB rights, he has taken the first step. Fifty years from now he will be looked back at as a visionary, because all the kids are cool with homos and healthcare is going to become more and more a cost issue, and we can't afford free service to every family that shows up with a sick kid to the hospital with no insurance. You can't have half the country with no credit.
You could not have found a better first black president than Barrack H Obama. Not even casting "24" .....He has to pull it off. He needs perfect perspective on everything, simply because he is the first black president.
You cannot get so far ahead of the parade that you can't hear the music. It's important that the Democrats can point to the Republicans as the BAD guys. No matter what party you're in, We, the people need to point the finger at someone, to shift any wrongdoing off ourselves.

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As the first black president, Obama has to be right on everything. Not now. 50 years from now. He's sowing seeds. For National Healthcare, he has taken the first step. For LGTB rights, he has taken the first step. Fifty years from now he will be looked back at as a visionary, because all the kids are cool with homos and healthcare is going to become more and more a cost issue, and we can't afford free service to every family that shows up with a sick kid to the hospital with no insurance. You can't have half the country with no credit.
You could not have found a better first black president than Barrack H Obama. Not even casting "24" .....He has to pull it off. He needs perfect perspective on everything, simply because he is the first black president.
You cannot get so far ahead of the parade that you can't hear the music. It's important that the Democrats can point to the Republicans as the BAD guys. No matter what party you're in, We, the people need to point the finger at someone, to shift any wrongdoing off ourselves.

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:fu: I'm pointing this finger at Nth Carolina!

Romney: Gay couples should have right to adopt...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...AVGU_blog.html

Obama “evolves” on marriage:

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/09/e_3/singleton/

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This.^

Fuck this "extending respect" bullshit. What kind of ass-kissy nonsense is that? It's no one's business, it never was, and it never will be. Christianity is a glorified cult with no basis in reality anyway. Waiting for these simpletons to become "comfortable" with something is a waste of precious time. And Obama can "evolve" all he likes. But it's none of his business either. If you're against gay marriage, don't marry a gay person. It's pretty simple. No one tells these rednecks and hillbillies that they can't marry their underage cousins. So let them learn to mind their own business.

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I agree: "... don't marry a gay person." :)
But it's important, I think, that the President of the United States comes out in favor of gay marriage.
It's a very big and positive step.
And, too, Romney has taken a stand:
Mitt Romney opposes same-sex marriage‎ (May 9, 2012) - YouTube

Obama, as a tactician, wants to appeal to libertarians with respect to gay marriage. (Albeit libertarians want government out of marriage.)

Libertarian David Boaz on Gay Marriage - YouTube

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I agree: "... don't marry a gay person." :)
But it's important, I think, that the President of the United States comes out in favor of gay marriage.
It's a very big and positive step.

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It's very important and long overdue. And ultimately it will be helpful for transsexuals as well.

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It's very important and long overdue. And ultimately it will be helpful for transsexuals as well.

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It's good for transsexuals. It's good for the country. It's historic.

White House Nixes Executive Order Prohibiting LGBT Discrimination By Federal Contractors:

http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/04/...l-contractors/