Re: The FAST Approaching Gun Ban
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Originally Posted by
hippifried
Mandatory "insurance" is a tax because it's mandatory. In the case of cars, it's a fluctuating continuous fee required to own a vehicle. Failure to pay is a criminal offense. Same goes for guns, except that the claim of "privilege" can't be used. You're talking about tacking a lease fee on a right. That won't work. You're just begging for mass civil disobedience, & shouldn't expect Thoreau's passive thoughtfulness. The mildest backlash to this proposal would be giving outfits like the NRA even more power than they've ever had. I'm not advocating doing nothing. I'm advocating a deliberate incremental approach that won't blow up & cause nothing getting done.
IMHO that right is not regardless of responsibility and responsibility for liability expressed either as a posted bond or more commonly an insurance policy.
The NRA's power IMHO is almost entirely founded on political and industry money, not "Joe Six-Pack" and the membership fees. It was clearly expressed in 2012 when the NRA endorsed Romney who had signed tough gun laws as Gov. of Ma. , while Obama's primary executive action on guns in his first term was to allow firearms into National Parks, because after all you never know when a crazy person could attack you in your tent.
I am not saying it will happen as far as mandatory proof of insurance but IMHO it does not conflict at all with the right to bear arms. Since the manufactures aren't exposed to product liability, isn't a gun owner liable for the misuse of the product and should be able to show that he/she can pay for damages caused by negligent use of his/her weapon?
Too many guns is all I know for sure based on a vague passage in the Bill of Rights that was written by Patrick Henry, a slave owning non-conformist who distrusted any form of government and certainly had no comprehension of a nation with 100's of millions of people and tens of thousands of assault weapons.
The fact that we as a nation argue over this as though ownership of assault weapons was on a level playing field with equal rights and freedom of religion is just an embarrassment to this citizen.
Re: The FAST Approaching Gun Ban
"ASSAULT WEAPON" Misnomer
1) Assault weapons (a machinegun having selective-fire capability) were originally taxed ($200 or $3,448.28 in 2013 dollars per item) and required to be registered by National Firearms Act of 1934. This was essentially a de-facto ban.
2) Gun Control Act of 1968 imposes even stiffer regulations/penalties and there is a 1-month amnesty for unregistered assault weapons.
3)Due to blatant law-breaking by the ATF the congress passes Firearms Owner Protection Act of 1986. Many positive restrictions upon law enforcement were in the bill but a "poison-pill" was inserted by Rep. Hughes.
This amendment banned the registration of any newly manufactured assault weapons to civilians after May, 1986.
Reagan, no friend to gun owners, signed it anyway.
4) Bush Sr. (NO friend to the 2a!!!) passes a bunch of gun laws in 1989 that mainly regulates parts from overseas and ammo.
5) in 1994, CLinton signs his "assault weapons ban". Since true assault weapons already been banned for a LONG time by this point all the law manages to do is change cosmetic features.
6) 2004.. AWB sunsets...blood in the streets...ded babbys errywhere...cops gittin killed left and right.
There is nowhere else left to go than to ban semi-auto since full-auto is already banned. That's why it wont happen.
I think regulation will be through health-care, ammo, or some other back door if they are successful. You and I will not be one bit safer if they succeed.
Although... I will probably stand to make a small fortune. A $700 m16 does not sell under $20,000 due to the fact that only the grandfathered ones can be transferred. A $150 MAC 11 goes for $5,000. Except for criminals. They don't do it legally so they get their M16's for $700 all day long.
Trusting the American government in 2013...there really is no excuse for that.
Re: The FAST Approaching Gun Ban
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Originally Posted by
fivekatz
Proper gun safes and such would create lower rates, while assault weapons would carry a higher premium.
Why?
MOST crime and accidents are committed with small-caliber handguns.
Kinda hard to conceal a 5 ft long rifle, lel. Also kind hard to shoot yourself by accident.
Re: The FAST Approaching Gun Ban
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Originally Posted by
trish
Umm... no.
It got trumped by a chain of failure leading to a tragedy.
A house full of unattended kids playing with loaded weapons?
Sounds like a fine group of responsible citizens. I'm a tax-payer, not a fucking baby-sitter.
I am responsible for the safety of my son and wife, no-one else. I have decided to be armed. You have decided to be defenseless. I respect your decision. Respect mine.
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Like you every gun owner claims to be a responsible citizen. Time to make it more difficult for "responsible" citizens to acquire guns and to take responsibility (I.e. assume liability) for the guns they have. Yes, more accidents involve small caliber handguns. Good argument for regulating those s well as higher caliber semi-automatics. Past regulations, thanks to the NRA, like current regulations were chocked full of loopholes. Today's ATF doesn't even have a director. If any organization is putting us at risk and encroaching on our lives it's the NRA and the manufacturers who support them...not government.
Re: The FAST Approaching Gun Ban
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Originally Posted by
trish
Like you every gun owner claims to be a responsible citizen. Time to make it more difficult for "responsible" citizens to acquire guns and to take responsibility (I.e. assume liability) for the guns they have. Yes, more accidents involve small caliber handguns. Good argument for regulating those s well as higher caliber semi-automatics. Past regulations, thanks to the NRA, like current regulations were chocked full of loopholes. Today's ATF doesn't even have a director. If any organization is putting us at risk and encroaching on our lives it's the NRA and the manufacturers who support them...not government.
Fuck the NRA. Buncha country-club republicans.
The ATF is a racist, criminal organization.
I actually have no problem with sensible regulation. Most of my weapons are registered and insured due to the fact that they are restricted (Title II, or Class 3) type anyway.
The problem is that errybody knows the endgame is trying to get them banned eventually through a death of 1,000 cuts. We know what is proposed A) will not reduce crime and B) is just another gradual step in thedirection of eventual banning.
Therefore, we can't give an inch. We know what you want and how you plan to get it.
Re: The FAST Approaching Gun Ban
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Originally Posted by
trish
Like you every gun owner claims to be a responsible citizen. Time to make it more difficult for "responsible" citizens to acquire guns
I am in an interracial marriage with a mixed child in the deep south.
There's a whole lot of folks whose worldview is stuck in 1935. Who is supposed to protect my family? The racist cops?
If something happens how much faith should I have in the justice system to rectify it?
I've already experienced discrimination from blacks and whites due to who I love. I don't trust the police or courts. Why would I not use the skills the military taught me to ensure our safety?
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The ATF is a racist, criminal organization.
yeah, right. You just blew yor credibility.
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I am in an interracial marriage...Who is supposed to protect my family?
Against what? Suicide? Accidental injury from handling a firearm? From your firearms? From sophistry? An automatic weapon is the last thing you'll need to protect your family.
I'm an African-Korean, transgender American and I don't need a firearm or any other form of lethal weapon as a security blanket. Neither do you.
Re: The FAST Approaching Gun Ban
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trish
yeah, right. You just blew yor credibility.Implying I had any credibility to start with. (FAST & FURIOUS???)
Against what? Suicide?My body, my life, my choice, my right Accidental injury from handling a firearm? 4 years USMC; it's not that fucking hard not to shoot someone From your firearms? From sophistry? An automatic weapon is the last thing you'll need to protect your family. You don't need alcohol, a large dog, or a car that will go over the speed limit.You are right. I don't need a an automatic weapon. I'm good with a revolver and flashlight. Just so happens I was trained and happen most effective with an M16/AR15 pattern rifle.
I'm an African-Korean, transgender American and I don't need a firearm or any other form of lethal weapon as a security blanket. Neither do you.
Then why does Law Enforcement need the security blanket that is more likely to hurt them than save them? It doesn't work both ways.
Should off-duty cops be allowed to have guns? Retired cops? Active military? Retired military?
It's not a matter of gunz/nogunz. It's whether or not certain groups have a monopoly on deadly force. I believe that is where we start to diverge. I don't believe in state monopoly of force. Period.
I do enjoy hearing other viewpoints such as yours. I may not agree, but then again, I may be presented with something I've never considered before. (And I enjoy learning)
Anywayz, we're just two random assholes OTI and this is all mental masturbation. Were I to meet you in real life I'd be happy to offer you the beverage of your choice and break bread. I'm sure the convo would be lively and worth the cost of admission.
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Against what? Suicide?My body, my life, my choice, my right
Not necessarily your body we're talking about. You have a wife and a child and others also visit your home. It's not all about you.
