17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

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Which has stopped since they were given a warning of being banned.

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Yea...this person is never going to stop it. They have been doing it for years. Look at the crap they just said. I suppose its because I am white that I watch fox news. Natina is just a racist.

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amy day quotes FOX NEWS

amy day is a fox news plant/parrot

a fox news sheepeople

fox news is bullshit! ,birthers are bullshit,tea party is bullshit! therefore
amy day must be bullshit!

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=67516

Graphic Evidence Of The Racism Of Fox News: Racial Photoshopping



News reports are suggesting that later today the authorities in Florida will announce charges against Trayvon Martin’s shooter, George Zimmerman. Coverage of this story was handled by Fox News in a manner that is revealing and offensive – and wholly unique to Fox News:







This is a journalistic lynching. And note, this is not Fox Nation. It is the mothership, Fox News. The editors at this alleged “news” network are demonstrating their overt hostility to both African-Americans and journalistic ethics. If this picture doesn’t finally establish the overarching prejudice of Fox, it’s hard to know what will. Their bias is so clearly being exercised with a zealotry that the Klan would shrink from. How do they get away with this?


This is a more impartial photo that does not disparage the victim (although it still is not as overtly cheerful as Zimmerman’s pic). You think they got a few complaints about the previous photo? They must have had a reason for changing it.


[Addendum] A couple of commenters have asserted (without proof) that the lighter picture of Trayvon was the one that was Photoshopped. Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that they are right and that the picture Fox used was not altered (at least by Fox). That does not change the fact that Fox made an editorial decision to use that picture. They had numerous pictures from which to choose of both Trayvon and Zimmerman, and they chose the most negative picture of Trayvon which they paired with the most positive picture of Zimmerman. That was not an accident. It was the result of deliberate editorial judgment. And it tells us everything we need to know about Fox’s editors.

There has also been some discussion as to whether making Trayvon look darker was inherently racist. Two points: 1) Making anyone look darker has the effect of making them look more sinister. And making the subject of a photo look more sinister, regardless of race, is blatant editorial bias. 2) Darker skinned African-Americans are not viewed more negatively by fair-minded people who are free of prejudice, but they are viewed more negatively by people predisposed to discriminate on the basis of race
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=6851

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=67516

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Natina how are you allowed have internet access at the mental hospital you reside in O_o?

I have alot too say about this thread, but won't say word due to the fact it should be MOVED TO THE POLITCIAL BOARDS after post 30 or so :/ Seanchi you know better!

If messing with people's sensitivities is a crime, I should have been banned long ago. With Natina, by now I'm a lot more curious to see her Alt.com Bio than her repetitive pastings, but this thread is evidence that simmering below the need to pay the rent, there's a need to express the importance of finding a place that doesn't exist yet. I hope Trish comes back soon, she would say it right.
As for the redneck platform, their problem is often THE problem, with the black community and the LGBT community. They're just saying what a whole lot of people are saying.

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Natina how are you allowed have internet access at the mental hospital you reside in O_o?

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Perhaps this post by Natina was insignificant to you, but it has importance for me, to bring out media bias. In order to believe Zimmerman's original story, one has to make the supposition that an unarmed teen without any criminal record, would suddenly attempt to kill a man without any provocation. Media images of Blacks play an important part of whether one believes this scenario or not.

I have said previously that certain communities actually attemp to keep crimes out of the news in order to make their communities feel safer. That ties directly to such things as property values, as people long to find safer places. Blacks who commit crimes are often 'paraded' on the news, such as in a big drug bust. But drug problems are in every community. It may be a dfferent type of drug or not.

I have not read every line of every post by Natina, but I have seen some informative information in her posts.

My brother met Saul Alinsky in the sixties and asked him if he had any personal advice for him.
"Shave your beard. Nobody will take you seriously"

I'm glad Obama followed Bush.
I'm glad Zimmerman was arrested.
And God bless the United States of America.

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Perhaps this post by Natina was insignificant to you, but it has importance for me, to bring out media bias. In order to believe Zimmerman's original story, one has to make the supposition that an unarmed teen without any criminal record, would suddenly attempt to kill a man without any provocation. Media images of Blacks play an important part of whether one believes this scenario or not.

I have said previously that certain communities actually attemp to keep crimes out of the news in order to make their communities feel safer. That ties directly to such things as property values, as people long to find safer places. Blacks who commit crimes are often 'paraded' on the news, such as in a big drug bust. But drug problems are in every community. It may be a dfferent type of drug or not.

I have not read every line of every post by Natina, but I have seen some informative information in her posts.

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Let me clairfy to you and butslinger I am not knocking her for her politics, I only ment to quote the stupid bs about amy not the article she posted underneath it. Agian I have alot to say about this thread, but as I mentioned before won't until this thread off the gd board.

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Let me clairfy to you and butslinger I am not knocking her for her politics, I only ment to quote the stupid bs about amy not the article she posted underneath it. Agian I have alot to say about this thread, but as I mentioned before won't until this thread off the gd board.

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Who's worse, Natina or Rush Limbaugh?

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Who's worse, Natina or Rush Limbaugh?

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I listen too Rush, so I am going to say Natina without blinking!

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I listen too Rush, so I am going to say Natina without blinking!

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uuunnnhhhhhhhhhh....................

george carlin describes rush limbaugh - YouTube

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I listen too Rush, so I am going to say Natina without blinking!

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Haha!

The funny thing about rush is the way most of his critics don't understand his humor. He says things in jest and most media outlets fall for it hook, line n sinker. It's fine to disagree with him, as I do on some subjects, but to write off his valid positions because of your personal opinion of the man do nothing to advance civil & intelligent discussion.

George Carlin has always been one of my all time favorite comedians. I even saw him live a couple years before he passed. I never disliked him because he was an atheist. I didn't always agree with his politics, but as a commedian he was always top notch.

IMHO, (responsible) conservatives & liberals are valuable to our society, and each are needed in their respective time and circumstances. When we lose track of perspective and truth, then buy into rhetoric, we all lose.

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Why would you have?

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Why would you have?

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I believe in God, but some people take their beliefs too far, or try to impose their beliefs on others. Like the old saying goes, "too much of anything is never a good thing".

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I believe in God, but some people take their beliefs too far, or try to impose their beliefs on others. Like the old saying goes, "too much of anything is never a good thing".

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Fair enough although I'd say in response to "too much of anything is never a good thing" for religion, that any religion, is too much.

I don't always agree with Amy all of the time, but to say that she is a Faux New parrot is well it's absurd!

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Perhaps this post by Natina was insignificant to you, but it has importance for me, to bring out media bias. In order to believe Zimmerman's original story, one has to make the supposition that an unarmed teen without any criminal record, would suddenly attempt to kill a man without any provocation. Media images of Blacks play an important part of whether one believes this scenario or not.

I have said previously that certain communities actually attemp to keep crimes out of the news in order to make their communities feel safer. That ties directly to such things as property values, as people long to find safer places. Blacks who commit crimes are often 'paraded' on the news, such as in a big drug bust. But drug problems are in every community. It may be a dfferent type of drug or not.

I have not read every line of every post by Natina, but I have seen some informative information in her posts.

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i agree, if do not like the thread stop trying to make your self relevant

Zimmerman wants to toss trial judge in Trayvon Martin case


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Co...otoblog600.jpg

George Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer charged with second-degree murder in the killing of Trayvon Martin, on Friday asked for a new judge – again.
The motion was revealed as one of two Zimmerman case documents released Friday. The second sought to keep certain evidence evidence from being made public.
Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O'Mara said in the judge-recusal filing that remarks by Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester “created a reasonable fear in Mr. Zimmerman that this court is biased against him” and Zimmerman “cannot get a fair trial."

O’Mara took issue with Lester saying in a July 5 order setting Zimmerman’s bail at $1 million that the defendant had “flouted the system” by failing to disclose at his first bond hearing in April that he had raised money from donations for his legal defense.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Co...0;380;7;70.jpg
George Zimmerman



In April, Zimmerman was released on $150,000 bond. The judge revoked the bond June 1 after prosecutors showed Zimmerman had allowed his wife, Shellie Zimmerman, to mislead the court about the couple's financial picture during an April hearing, failing to disclose at least $130,000 raised in a PayPal account.

In granting the $1 million bail earlier this month, Lester said that evidence indicated Zimmerman, 28, was preparing to flee to avoid prosecution based on the money raised online, and his possession of second passport that he had failed to disclose to the court.
O’Mara’s motion argued the comment showed bias.

"The court makes sweeping generalizations about Mr. Zimmerman based on limited information and disregards the evidence that contradicts those conclusions," O’Mara said in the motion.
A spokeswoman for the judge said Lester wouldn't comment Friday but would address the matter later.

A spokesperson for State Attorney Angela Corey's office said in an email to media that it would file its own response to the recusal motion next week, and added that "the State objects to the Defendant trying to disqualify Judge Lester."
In April, Zimmerman and his legal team asked the judge presiding at the time, Jessica Recksiedler, to step aside because of a possible conflict of interest after revelations that her husband, Jason Recksiedler, had been contacted by Zimmerman's family as part of their search for a defense attorney.
The request was granted and Lester was appointed at that time to serve as judge in the case.
Zimmerman, who has pleaded not guilty, told police he acted in self-defense in the Feb. 26 shooting death of Martin, 17, in a Sanford, Fla., gated community.



In the second document released Friday, Lester denied O’Mara’s effort to keep two pieces of evidence under seal:

• A statement by so-called “witness #9.” In a statement released earlier, witness #9 told Sanford police that Zimmerman harbors prejudiced views. While NBC News has not seen the second statement, sources said it could be explosive and could damage Zimmerman in the court of public opinion.
• Details of almost 150 jail calls between Zimmerman and friends and family members.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...rtin-case?lite

zimmerman attorney wants to file a motion of STAND YOUR GROUND

AND HAS ALREADY AMITTED THAT ZIMMERMAN HAS CREDIBILITY

ISSUES,SO he wants a new judge who zimmerman has not deceived.

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My brother met Saul Alinsky in the sixties and asked him if he had any personal advice for him.
"Shave your beard. Nobody will take you seriously"

I'm glad Obama followed Bush.
I'm glad Zimmerman was arrested.
And God bless the United States of America.

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I think that's the 3rd or 4th time you've posted the first part of that, but you never were very original and I think we already know your left wing politics, but reach a little deeper and give us a real view into your thoughts . What happens to your third point if the first 2 come undone....??
Obama gets crushed in November, and Zimmerman is found not guilty ? Because at the moment both occurrences stand a better than even chance of occurring.

And while you're at it....maybe you could get into providing us a view of how a left wing nut like you thinks....that is to say you're all over a perceived racial shooting in Florida because the press has wet your appetite with every juicy narrative folks like you embellish...after all, what's not to understand about a black kid being gunned down by a white southerner....however it's not quite that black and white..pardon the pun.....yet probably more blacks were gunned down in the past several weeks (by people who look like them ) in major US cities than probably were lynched in the old south during Jim Crow....and you're asleep at the switch. You may be aware of it...you may be disturbed by it....but none of that compels you to comment on it. Nor Natina, nor many others. While I understand a shooting in Chicago has no relationship to a shooting in Florida, other than the victims skin color...( isn't that what you're concerned about?) my curiosity is why one is given so much weight by folks like you, while the others despite the alarming frequency go unnoticed. And given the latest findings by the FBI ...( here's the first sentence in the article....full link posted below) will you and the others keep beating the drum of this being a racial crime ? When will the facts begin to outweigh your and others incorrect perceptions ...or will they now extend to a determination the FBI is racist or involved in a cover up? . How many does it take to keep the conspiracy going? Should we stay tunned to Al Sharpton for answers on that?


FBI report: No evidence George Zimmerman is racist

An FBI investigation into the shooting of black teenager Travyon Martin concluded that there's no evidence the suspect, George Zimmerman, was motivated by racial bias or hatred.





By Patrik Jonsson, Staff writer / July 12, 2012

• http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_...n_full_380.jpg

In this June 29 file photo, George Zimmerman and attorney Don West appear before Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester during a bond hearing at the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center in Sanford, Fla. After interviewing 30 people familiar with Zimmerman, FBI agents found no evidence that the shooting of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin was driven by racial bias or animus.
Joe Burbank/Orlando Sentinel/AP



http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...rman-is-racist

sir if you are not a minority let me explain something to you , you seem intelligent so I will keep it short .yes blacks have deeper issues than racism nowadays exposing that does not make this less of a problem, there can be many issues at the same time communitiess must deal with, one of the problems many have with this case is that we minorities are always on guard of how we are being perceived by whites, if we enter a mostly white neighborhood we are immediately unguard, many whites maybe not Zimmerman but others mostly the elderly are very scared they do not undrstand the music the attire the lingo swag etc,I myself have been stopped repeatedly and arrested for crimes I did not commit, when I moved 2 my new house, admittedly I was young and wore low jeans and hoodies but I am not a criminal Martin was not a criminal, ask urself would Zimmerman have called the cops on a white teen in a hoodie probably not, he may not be racist especially being of hispanic descent but he sure acts like one!

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sir if you are not a minority let me explain something to you , you seem intelligent so I will keep it short .yes blacks have deeper issues than racism nowadays exposing that does not make this less of a problem, there can be many issues at the same time communitiess must deal with, one of the problems many have with this case is that we minorities are always on guard of how we are being perceived by whites, if we enter a mostly white neighborhood we are immediately unguard, many whites maybe not Zimmerman but others mostly the elderly are very scared they do not undrstand the music the attire the lingo swag etc,I myself have been stopped repeatedly and arrested for crimes I did not commit, when I moved 2 my new house, admittedly I was young and wore low jeans and hoodies but I am not a criminal Martin was not a criminal, ask urself would Zimmerman have called the cops on a white teen in a hoodie probably not, he may not be racist especially being of hispanic descent but he sure acts like one!

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OMK and intelligent in the same sentence LOL. He's an exteme right wing nut on a tranny site.

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And while you're at it....maybe you could get into providing us a view of how a left wing nut like you thinks....

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Here's how a left wing nutjob thinks: If my son was shot for walking home from the store and the guy who shot him walked home from the police station I would not need the media because you could hear me yelling sitting in your double-wide. I would be screaming my lungs out.

Your candidate for president is dirty as shit and his tax returns will prove it. You think he didn't move a little money around days before the market crashed? You think he didn't move a little money over to Anne's accounts when he ran for governor? You think he didn't know Bain was shipping US jobs overseas? You think he wasn't dodging paying his taxes in the Caymans and Switzerland?


I think:
You lose on Obamacare
You lose on Zimmerman
You lose on Romney
See a pattern here?
Shave your beard, Onmyknees. nobody takes you serious.

WITNESS SAYS:zimmerman doesn't like black people

zimmerman doesn't like black people"

BREAKING NEWS! WITNESS " I know George, and I know that he does not like black people."

An unnamed woman told an investigator in a police interview that she stays away from Zimmerman because he's racist and because of things he's done to her in the past, but she didn't elaborate on what happened between them. "I don't at all know who this kid was or anything else. But I know George, and I know that he does not like black people. He would start something. He's very confrontational. It's in his blood. We'll just say that," the woman says in an audio recording.

An unnamed man told investigators said he worked with Zimmerman in 2008 for a few months. The man, who described his heritage as "Middle Eastern," said Zimmerman bullied him at work. Zimmerman wanted to "get in" with the clique at work who did not like the man, so Zimmerman exaggerated a Middle Eastern accent, and made reference to terrorists and bombings when talking about him. "It was so immature," said the employee, who complained to management about Zimmerman. Zimmerman's parents say he wasn't racist. They said he mentored black students and had a black relative.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ef=mostpopular


judge denied effort to keep two pieces of evidence under seal


In the second document released Friday, Lester denied O’Mara’s effort to keep two pieces of evidence under seal:

•A statement by so-called “witness #9.” In a statement released earlier, witness #9 told Sanford police that Zimmerman harbors prejudiced views. While NBC News has not seen the second statement, sources said it could be explosive and could damage Zimmerman in the court of public opinion.

•Details of almost 150 jail calls between Zimmerman and friends and family members.

the State objects to the Defendant trying to disqualify Judge Lester."

Bottom line...if tray von tried to attack this man he had every right to defend himself.
Now Zimmerman was an idiot and a fool for going after him an extremely reckless in carrying a gun with him.
But....in Florida I believe it is legal to carry a firearm.
Zimmerman from what I have heard and I have not followed his closely seems sane and somewhat rational.
Black people need to focus on Other issues........
The legal system will handle this.

911 call records george Zimmermans's desire to DETAIN Travyon martin.


ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling


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Criminally Negligent Homicide



(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...oAT_story.html



What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.



Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:



-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator



-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program



-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement





Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.



He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.







In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,



or the firing of the gun.



Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.



If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...







then he's guilty under the law.

this is stated in zimmerman own reenactment.
zimmerman 1st stalked trayvon in his vehicle then later on foot.


ARGUMENT FOR NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE
Detective faulted George Zimmerman for not avoiding confrontation with Trayvon Martin.

Neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman missed two opportunities to try to peacefully approach Trayvon Martin before he fatally shot the unarmed teenager, according to an investigator's report released Tuesday.

"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern," investigator Chris Serino wrote in an arrest warrant affidavit.

The affidavit was filed more than two weeks after the shooting when the Sanford Police Department was being criticized for not having arrested Zimmerman. Serino's March 13 affidavit recommended Zimmerman be picked up for manslaughter, but a special prosecutor assigned to take over the case upped the charge to second-degree murder.

The documents released Tuesday are part of the public pre-trial records .Zimmerman, 28, maintains he feared for his life and shot Martin in self-defense under Florida's "stand your ground law." He said he fired the fatal shot only after being ambushed and brutally attacked by the 17-year-old.

The deadly encounter occurred in a gated Sanford, Fla., neighborhood where Zimmerman lived and Martin was staying with a family friend. Zimmerman called 911 to report Martin as a suspicious person walking through the area. He told the operator Martin was "up to no good" and "has his hand in his waist band."

In the report released Tuesday, police say Zimmerman contradicted himself by saying that he was initially fearful of Martin but later got out of his vehicle and followed after the teen.

"His actions are inconsistent with those of a person who has stated he was in fear of another subject," Serino wrote.



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...192523670.html

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...rvers-say?lite

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Bottom line...if tray von tried to attack this man he had every right to defend himself.
Now Zimmerman was an idiot and a fool for going after him an extremely reckless in carrying a gun with him.
But....in Florida I believe it is legal to carry a firearm.
Zimmerman from what I have heard and I have not followed his closely seems sane and somewhat rational.
Black people need to focus on Other issues........
The legal system will handle this.

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And we all know how the legal system handles things.

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Exactly. And I can probably guess what the outcome will be. That's why I'm pretty much over it as well.

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.
Winston Churchill

the most damaging evidence to zimmerman is when he takes the stand

George Zimmerman Will Not Tell The Truth


George Zimmerman has no interest in expressing fidelity to His Honor, the Court, or the public. When Zimmerman took the witness stand at his 20 April 2012 bond hearing, he lied under oath in two forms: acts of omission and blatant falsehoods.


Zimmerman took the stand to make a self-serving statement in the cloak of an apology, but the message’s audience was for the media and a candid public, not the parents of the slain Trayvon Martin. It should be noted that O’Mara allowed this disrespectful action to be undertaken and His Honor did not stop it, either.

The faux apology given to turn the tide of negative media attention:

O'MARA: You advised me that you wanted to make a short statement, is that correct?
ZIMMERMAN: Correct.
ZIMMERMAN: I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. And I did not know if he was armed or not.
O'MARA: Nothing further, your honor.

George Zimmerman took the stand and performed for the media. The narrative was starting to change and the fickle media started pretending as if both the dead, unarmed minor, Trayvon Martin, and his confessed killer, George Zimmerman, were victims. This is absolutely incorrect. Man profiled, stalked, chased, and ultimately killed the minor. Those are the facts. Furthermore, Zimmerman lied on the stand about how old he thought Trayvon Martin was. When the non-emergency dispatcher asked how old Zimmerman thought the supposedly “suspicious guy” was, Zimmerman said “late teens.” 17 would classify as late teens. Let’s let that percolate into our collective conscience for a moment. A 28-year-old adult male tells the dispatcher that he believes a minor is indeed a minor and he stills exits his vehicle, with gun holstered, to chase after the “fucking punk” who would not get away. I can’t speak for Angela B. Corey, but when I heard this, I thought for sure any doubt about her over-charging Zimmerman went away.

State’s Attorney asking what took so long for the faux apology:

DE LA RIONDA: I'm sorry, sir, you're not really addressing that to the court. You're doing it here to the victim's family, is that correct?
ZIMMERMAN: They are here in the court, yes.
DE LA RIONDA: I understand. But I thought you were going to address Your Honor, Judge Lester, not -- so that's really addressed to the family and where the media happens to be, correct, Mr. Zimmerman?
ZIMMERMAN: No, to the mother and the father.
DE LA RIONDA: Ok. And tell me, after you committed this crime and you spoke to the police, did you ever make that statement to the police, sir? That you were sorry for what you've done or their loss?
ZIMMERMAN: No sir.
DE LA RIONDA: You never stated that, did you?
ZIMMERMAN: I don't remember what I said. I believe I did say that.
DE LA RIONDA: You told that to the police?
ZIMMERMAN: In one of the statements, I said that I felt sorry for the family.
DE LA RIONDA: You did?
ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: So that would be recorded because all those conversations were recorded, right?
ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: And you're sure you said that?
ZIMMERMAN: I'm fairly certain.
DE LA RIONDA: And so which officer did you tell that to? You made five statements I believe, total.
ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir, I'm sorry, all the names run together.
DE LA RIONDA: And do you remember if it was a male or a female?
ZIMMERMAN: There were both males and females.
DE LA RIONDA: At the time you made that statement that you were sorry?
ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: And let me make sure the record's clear, you stated exactly what to those detectives?
ZIMMERMAN: I don't remember exactly what -- verbatim.
DE LA RIONDA: But you're saying you expressed concern for the loss of Mr. Martin, or that you had shot Mr. Martin, that you actually felt sorry for him?
ZIMMERMAN: I felt sorry that they lost their child, yes.
DE LA RIONDA: And so you told detectives that you wanted them to convey that to the parents?
ZIMMERMAN: I don't know if they were detectives or not.
DE LA RIONDA: Officers, I apologize.
ZIMMERMAN: I didn't know if they were going to convey it or not. I just made the statement.
DE LA RIONDA: Ok. And then you said that you called them or you left a message for them to tell them that?
ZIMMERMAN: No, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: Why did you wait 50 something days to tell them -- that is, the parents?
ZIMMERMAN: I don't understand the question, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: Why did you wait so long to tell Mr. Martin and the victim's mother, the father and mother, why did you wait so long to tell them?
ZIMMERMAN: I was told not to communicate with them.
DE LA RIONDA: Ok. So even through your attorney, you didn't ask to do it right away? Your former attorneys or anything.
ZIMMERMAN: I did ask them to express that to them. And they said that they were going to.

Zimmerman isn’t a very good liar, or at least he isn’t a believable one. When De La Rionda asked if he expressed the same sentiment to the police that he was expressing 50+ days later in His Honor’s Court, he said, “no.” Then he says he did express the sentiment. When De La Rionda asked who he told that too, he resorts back to the tried and the true, “I don’t know/I can’t remember” line that he used when he was questioned by Serino. I’ll get to that in a moment. I’m sure it’s not going to come as a surprise, but I’ve listened to everything that was released by George Zimmerman Legal Case, and I can tell you all that he never expressed remorse, contrition, or anything resembling sorrow for killing an unarmed minor. Before the stress test, he does ask a female police officer if she slept well, and he does ask her if she has “ever had to kill anybody,” as if trying to draw some parallels between the murder of Trayvon Martin and her job as a trained law enforcement agent. She seemed a bit perplexed/annoyed to me and answered “no/nope.” Real law enforcement agents are trained to use deadly force as a last resort, not a first option. So this is lie #2 given by George Zimmerman at his 20 April 2012 bond hearing.

George Zimmerman perjuring himself under oath about what was said to Serino/others:

DE LA RIONDA: But before you committed this crime on February 26th, you were arrested -- I'm sorry, not arrested. You were questioned that day, right, February 26th?
ZIMMERMAN: That evening into the 27th.
DE LA RIONDA: And then the following morning. Is that correct?
ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: And the following evening, too. ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.
DE LA RIONDA: Ok. Would it be fair to say you were questioned about four or five times?
ZIMMERMAN: I remember giving three statements, yes sir.
DE LA RIONDA: And isn't it true that in some of those statement when you were confronted about your inconsistencies, you started "I don't remember"?
O'MARA: Outside the scope of direct examination. I will object your honor.
JUDGE LESTER: We'll give you a little bit of leeway. Not a whole lot but a little bit here, ok.
DE LA RIONDA: Isn't it true that when you were questioned about the contradictions in your statements that the police didn't believe it, that you would say "I don't remember"?
JUDGE LESTER: I'm going to grant his motion at this time.
O'MARA: Thank you, your honor.
DE LA RIONDA: Would you agree you changed your story as it went along?
ZIMMERMAN: Absolutely not.

Zimmerman’s most egregious lie is above. De La Rionda asked Zimmerman about how many statements he gave. Zimmerman replies. De La Rionda asked Zimmerman if he said “I don’t remember?” when Serino/Singleton poked holes in his account of what happened, using the non-emergency phone call to do so, and Zimmerman replied matter-of-factly, “Absolutely not.” Folks, that is the third lie to His Honor’s Court. George Zimmerman Legal Case has the audio still up. It is up for anyone who wants to listen to it. Make no mistake, when asked about things that didn’t add up, Zimmerman would say “I don’t know/I don’t remember.” When it was clear that Serino/Singleton were playing bad cop or no longer believed him, Zimmerman got defensive, lied, and omitted facts. He told the dispatcher he was following Trayvon. On the February 29, 2012, part 3 of the interview with Serino/Singleton; he said he wasn’t following, but walking in the same direction. When asked what type of running Trayvon was doing, he said he couldn’t remember/didn’t know. When asked why he got out of his car, Singleton bluntly said, “That isn’t what you told me.”


George Zimmerman is going to assert an affirmative defense in his second-degree murder trial. If Zimmerman has no interest in expressing fidelity to the truth in His Honor’s Court, I wouldn’t be making any long term plans for the future unless they included a prison facility.
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Plenty of people against the whole "stand your ground" issue. This week we see a situation in FL that shows the other side. Two 19 year olds decide to pull an armed robbery on an internet cafe. Internet cafes are actually small gambling halls, so there is a bit of cash on hand. A 71 year old patron with a legal firearm and a carry and conceal permit shoots them both. I open the floor to social commentary...I'll start with the sad fact that the article reads, "charges unlikely against man who shot robbers" That is some sad shit, not "senior saves the day" or "hero stands up to masked armed robbers"
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http://www.ocala.com/article/2012071...CLES/120719790

It doesn't show the other side at all. There was no "stand your ground" and it's a bit decrepit to try and make this anything other than what it is.
Luckily this guy was a good shot (did it say if he was ex-military or law enforcement) to be able to shoot them both without injury to others or himself.
I've just watched the video - what did he shoot them with, a potatoe gun???

I think it's lucky the way the old guy is waving that thing around and shooting and running, that he didn't accidentally hit someone. If he'd shot me or mine, even by accident, I'd be mighty pissed off at him. He made the choice to shoot.

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It doesn't show the other side at all. There was no "stand your ground" and it's a bit decrepit to try and make this anything other than what it is.
Luckily this guy was a good shot (did it say if he was ex-military or law enforcement) to be able to shoot them both without injury to others or himself.
I've just watched the video - what did he shoot them with, a potatoe gun???

I think it's lucky the way the old guy is waving that thing around and shooting and running, that he didn't accidentally hit someone. If he'd shot me or mine, even by accident, I'd be mighty pissed off at him. He made the choice to shoot.

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This is a better video. I guess its a matter of opinion. Legally armed senior stops 2 thugs from robbing 30 people. One of which was waviing a gun in peoples faces while the other smashed the place up with a baseball bat. Would you also be pissed if you or yours were shot by the robbers?

71 Year Old Samuel Williams Shots Young Black Thugs Robbers in Internet Cafe - YouTube

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This is a better video. I guess its a matter of opinion. Legally armed senior stops 2 thugs from robbing 30 people. One of which was waviing a gun in peoples faces while the other smashed the place up with a baseball bat. Would you also be pissed if you or yours were shot by the robbers?

71 Year Old Samuel Williams Shots Young Black Thugs Robbers in Internet Cafe - YouTube

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Absolutely I would have been. And if I was carrying a gun and those two cunts came in, I'd probably have done the same as he. Nevertheless, it does look a little precarious. Either way, this isn't relevant to the "stand your ground" issue elsewhere.

How did he go from 71 to 63?

You can't seriously call a kid Dwayne can you?

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Either way, this isn't relevant to the "stand your ground" issue elsewhere.

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In my op I used the word issue, I guess I should have written statute. But I think if you read it again, you can catch the gist of what I wrote. Planty of people against stand your ground, this is an example of where it is not only valid, but worked.

Although "stand your ground" is likely to not be needed, the idea of using deadly force to defend yourself against a physical attack also worked in the Trayvon case. I fail to see how it's the "other side of the coin."