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Stlye is the pacifist here. She is the one who fears the object in question. Most here would also stand up against what we feel is evil so we might not be that far apart. If you take on a NAZI make sure you are equipped to take apart that NAZI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
I have no problems with a person not liking guns or fearing guns. My guns are not an extension of my dick. I enjoy building my rifles and taking them to the range and shooting target. I'm not some crazy right wing clinging to my guns and bible. I'm not some prepper although, I love talking the ZA.
I have my CCW. I have my CCW because on the occasion I do carry, I don't want people to freak out because they see a gun. People tend to get tense when someone open carries, so I opted for my conceal carry. Plus, if I get pulled over for a traffic violation and I have a "loaded" gun in my truck, I don't get in trouble. I never carry any of my guns with one in the chamber. I follow a strict protocol of safety with my guns.
I do get frustrated with people who are against civies owning guns. It's my hobby and one of my passions.
I don't hunt and can't bring myself to kill an animal. I do it because I love to shoot target. It's fun to go to my local gun range on a nice day and sit at the bench and enjoy the fresh air and shoot. It's relaxing, fun and I feel good about myself that I built my own rifle.
Plus, shooting guns has brought my father and me closer together.
The irony of you talking about killing Nazis. The Nazis do not get stopped by individuals owning guns. I'm not saying it's not something that could be useful (or harmful) in terms of personal protection, but you don't take down a military machine because you own a revolver or even a machine gun. In fact, a family member might end up taking his face off with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
That is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Partisans and Militias -- armed civilian resistance fighters, have stood up to occupiers and invaders from the Nazis to the British Empire and others.
Better to die fighting than walk into a camp to starve to death -- or worse.
That's great if you don't have a family, but those who did have sisters and parents to protect living in the Warsaw ghetto were going to get them killed by making futile attempts to pick off Nazis. This was at a time when they weren't certain what their fate was going to be. There is always the hypothetical situation where you can save your own life by becoming a guerilla fighter, but if you are living a domestic existence with your family in Germany and the Gestapo came for you, you seal your fate by trying to shoot soldiers. People did not know they were facing a certain death by not fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merkurie
Again, we're talking about fighting your own government's military if they come for you. I agree that a gun may be a very useful weapon if your country is being overrun by an invading force, but the paramilitary fantasy that you could ever destroy the U.S military by holeing yourself up in a cabin with artillery is just that, a fantasy. You have very little chance and you have to weigh that against the sort of oppression you face if you don't fight. But of course some people might think it's exceptionally brave to start shooting a pistol at a bunch of gestapo agents with your wife and kids in the other room. I don't mean this as a vitriolic argument, but I just don't see the logic of it.
I just want to reiterate that I'm not trying to attack anyone's way of life if they're gun owners. I can understand it generally. It just depends on what expectation you have of being attacked. Or maybe all of your family members are extremely careful with guns and have training. Maybe you really don't trust your government or you really think somebody is going to break into your house and take what's yours. For me personally, I don't feel safer if I'm strapping a gun just because the next guy is. I don't feel like the U.S government is going to send a swat team to my house or that I could do anything about it if they did. Most of the situations where you are confronted with somebody with a gun, you have a greater chance of survival by not brandishing one of your own.
Perhaps, there will be that one situation where you face a certain death and your only way out is to have that gun you've been carrying around for decades and haven't used. I'd just as soon own a life insurance policy.
well, I think some of us have digressed into the political... SO, to get back on track... I just got (yesterday) another of my favorites: the H&K USP .45cal
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...WK_HX1fCRzZx50
BTW, I did get it for work
Fine, I won't interrupt anymore but for those who are discussing the pros and cons of gun ownership, it's not really a digression.Quote:
Originally Posted by txsam
Lets just say I disagree with your point of view entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
The right to bear arms has been passed down for over 200 years. Times have changed since the 1700s and they will continue to change. This country has a long history of organized and unorganized violence directed against groups and individuals where law enforcement was no where to be found.
So with that in mind, I would rather preserve the legal right to armed self protection for future generations to make the choice for themselves.
That's a nice sidearm.Quote:
Originally Posted by txsam