17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

Hard4Janira,
what you say isn't very clearly thought out. When crimes are committed against African-Americans, they are frequently bias crimes. It's not just the race of the victim that matters but also the motivation. The ethnic background of the victim or perpetrator only become relevant when someone is targetted as a victim because of their race. Therefore, if there is a murder and an African-American happens to be the perpetrator it is not the equivalent of an African-American being targetted for murder because of his/her race.

African-Americans have been the victims of lynchings, of the most heinous hate crimes you can imagine, including as Giovanni Hotel mentioned, the dragging of an African-American from a pickup truck. In the past, those who have lynched African-Americans and bragged about it publicly were either not tried or were tried and acquitted despite the admissions of reliable confessions. It is highly immoral to try to whitewash this past by pointing to crime rates by race or by creating an equivalence between those crimes that were committed on the basis of race hatred and those with other motivations.

Now, you may say what many other racists say when confronted with such an important distinction. "How is the law making somebody's thoughts a crime; I don't believe there should be such a thing as a hate crime". Well the legislature does think so and further it has always been within the province of the law to look for mitigating factors and aggravating factors and charge someone accordingly. Intent matters and has historically been used to determine the degree of murder and consequently the length of the sentence for committing that murder.

Further, self-defense, particularly that requiring deadly force is only justified by a deadly threat. The police should be vigilant anytime somebody has killed an unarmed man without a very good explanation as to how his life was in danger. Your opinion of crime statistics by race or the collective guilt of African-Americans based on the actions of other African-Americans has nothing to do with whether Mr. Zimmerman can make a valid self-defense claim. I don't believe he can. Stand your ground is a red herring because it does not justify an escalation in violence from the threat one was confronted with.

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Wrong again. Boilerplate SYG laws was designed by ALEC and slipped through conservative state legislatures before most Americans knew what was happening. Part of the outrage directed at the botched handling (by the police and legal system) of Martin's demise is directed at these SYG laws which have suddenly sprung up like ugly weeds all over America. You are among the very few who see any justice in what Zimmerman did or what the police didn't do on the night of Martin's murder.

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SYG is not what's at issue here - quit pretending that it is. If it were two white people or two black people or two hispanics or a hispanic and a black person... this story would be a blip on the radar. The ONLY reason this story has been blown out of proportion is because Zimmerman is half-white and Trayvon is black. Period. All you see is racism. If it were two black people and one was at home having dinner with his wife, you wouldn't give a fuck and I'd call you a liar if you said otherwise.

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First of all, let's see some reliable numbers here rather than capitalized adjectival phrases.

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Seriously? You know I'm fucking right. And I get screwed like anybody else at people shuffling funny money around on Wall Street (although your embezzlement clain is a bit silly).

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I presume you mean if Zimmerman was black. If so, true enough.

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Thanks for admitting that. I knew it.

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The outrage is over the fact that justice was ignored. Thanks to the outrage, justice was only delayed. But the question remains, why the delay? What was at work on the night the cops and the legal system let Zimmerman walk away from a probable second degree homicide? Here is where the two factors that make this a media story come into play: racial profiling and SYG.

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WHAT JUSTICE??? He hasn't even been tried yet. Oh wait.... you already know what happened right? You already know he deserves the death penalty because he commited a hate crime.... Please... spare me already.

And stop with your bullshit, made up, FAUX outrage at SYG. You didn't even know or care about SYG until this happenend. Your outrage is at Zimmerman because he is half-white. End of story. You want him to see the electric chair because you have already said that he commited a hate crime.

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Subtract (1). What do you get: Vigilante Shoots and Kills Unarmed African/American Seventeen Year Old Walking Through Gated Community Talking on Cell Phone and Eating Skittles. Perp Arrested and Trial Pending. Perp is Expected to Invoke SYG. That may be a fine headline for a local paper, indeed it's front page, but it's not going national.

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More idiocy on your part. It's hard to get lacerations on the back of your head and broken nose if you are taking pot-shots at people eating Skittles. Grow the fuck up.

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It's the failure of law enforcement to do their perceived job that is the key ingredient here, though the other ingredients fan the flames.

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The only reason you and all the people like yourself who are whipped up in a frenzy over this think that law enforcement failed to do thier job is becaue Zimmerman is half-white.

And you see a lot of the same arguments popping up in this thread along the lines of "imagine if the races were reversed". Systemic racism against African-Americans by law enforcement officers and a history of lax prosecutions of those who killed African-Americans is relevant to how people view this. You can't expect everyone to wake up one morning and pretend not to be aware of this history or not see something that looks vaguely and disappointingly familiar.

Hard,
You are right. The story is interesting to the media because you have an African-American youth who was killed by a half-white man, who was only given a short looking over by the police and who was not arrested. Most people find this very unusual given how difficult it is under the law to show you required deadly force. Many people also think that it looks like another African-American who has been targetted by law enforcement and then killed without legal justification.

Caucasians have not historically been victims of mob lynchings, were not restricted from testifying in court, have not had laws tailored in a specific way so that they could be harassed by law enforcement. Vagrancy laws were designed and used for the express purpose of harassing minorities.

This is a picture that everyone with a sense of history gets. You don't get it and we can all see why by the way you dehumanize African-Americans in your posts, referring to them as creatures and suggesting pre-emptive justice against them. Very sad indeed.

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'Creatures'??

You mean like....animals???
Hard4janira, you're a stone cold racist. Your momma is probably one, as are most of your blood relations.

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Yawn.. That word means nothing to me. It's some made up bullshit that is nothing but a political weapon used to discredit people.

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Using crimes committed by Blacks to somehow justify your racist attitudes is a dodge. If Blacks NEVER committed violent crimes, you'd still be trying to legitimize your irrational hate of Black people.

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And I'm sure that you and people of your ilk will forever use the history of white on black racism to justify your communites perpetual acts of violence and crime against other people. Just keep making excuses.

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Throughout the history of this country, hundreds of thousands more Blacks have been raped/murdered/killed by White hands than in the reverse, but you won't see me generalizing that there's something inherently defective and sociopathic in the genetic code of White people.

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I was waiting for this. This will FOREVER be your crutch. I get it - I understand it. I just won't accept it. Ever.

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BTW, show me a story where three Black guys get a White guy drunk, chain his ass to the back of 4x4 and drag him down an asphalt road until his head pops off?

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You don't want to play that game. You will lose badly. I'm not saying you won't find a few good examples, you will. But you will look like a goof if you want to match it up one for one.

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You can't murder innocents because 'statistics' are on your side.But hell you're probably one of those cats who would be in favor of actively aborting Black babies to lower future crime rates.

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I like it!

Hard-on,
your posts, which are written in much the same style as the thoughtful expositions at stormfront and other racist sites, provide the exact reason why this case is very much about race. People such as yourself are so infected with racial bias that you're not even able to focus on whether George Zimmerman was guilty and instead you waste energy at once celebrating that an African-American is dead and reciting crime rates.

And there is a reason being called a racist means nothing to you, because you are one. It's not because the term has no meaning, but because you don't see it as a moral indictment.

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SYG is not what's at issue here - quit pretending that it is.

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Sorry, but it's part of the discussion. Quit pretending that it isn't.

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WHAT JUSTICE??? He hasn't even been tried yet.

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And it was clear before the outrage that he wasn't going to be tried...THAT INJUSTICE. That injustice is the source of the outrage.

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And stop with your bullshit, made up, FAUX outrage at SYG. You didn't even know or care about SYG until this happenend.

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You don't know me sir. If you just look at my history of posts over the last few years, you know that I've always been concerned about gun laws. In this quote you have revealed yourself to one who profiles, guesses at what people think and do and rarely if ever seek for the evidence. From here on out, stick to the topic, not what you think I think.

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More idiocy on your part.

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Here you're being deliberately dense. I was not speaking at all to Zimmerman's quilt or innocence. I was speaking to whether the story would have gone national if the law enforcement and the justice system had arrested Zimmerman and set a trial date. Clearly not. Had the headline read...

...Vigilante Shoots and Kills Unarmed African/American Seventeen Year Old Walking Through Gated Community Talking on Cell Phone and Eating Skittles. Perp Arrested and Trial Pending. Perp is Expected to Invoke SYG...

...the nation as a whole would have yawned.

CNN;Zimmerman's wife arrested, CHARGED WITH perjury

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/justic...ife/index.html



June 13, 2012: MediaTakeOut.com is happy to announce that yesterday the wife of George Zimmerman was charged with perjury. The third-degree felony is punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 . Shellie Zimmerman was released on bond. Her husband, neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman, 28, killed the Florida teenager Trayvon Martin on February 26.

Now it is alleged in court documents that Shellie Zimmerman used money transfers to hide the couple's finances as they fought for his release on bond. The arrest affidavit alleges that records show that just days before an April bond hearing for her husband, Shellie Zimmerman, 25, transferred $74,000 in eight smaller amounts ranging from $7,500 to $9,990, from her husband's account to hers.

It also alleges that $47,000 was transferred from George Zimmerman's account to his sister's in the days before the bond hearing.

CNN;Zimmerman's wife arrested, CHARGED WITH perjury



http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/justic...ife/index.html

BREAKING NEWS: Trayvon's Killer Zimmerman Is ACCUSED OF Assaulting A BLACK POLICE OFFICER!!! (And He Served NO TIME In Jail For It)

March 27, 2012: MediaTakeOutcom learned today that George Zimmerman, the man who MURDERED Trayvon Martin, was charged in 2005 with ASSAULTING a police officer. The mainstream media is GLOSSING OVER this fact, claiming that it was some sort ofmisunderstanding.

Well MediaTakeOut.com spoke with AN INFORMANT, inside the Orlando police department, who tell us that the officer who ZIMMERMAN assaulted - was AFRICAN AMERICAN.

This dude is an ANIMAL. He really believes that he can do ANYTHING to Black people, whether they're OFFICERS, children, armed, or UNARMED.

He really needs to be off the streets!!

http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/55039/br...il-for-it.html

NEW! zimmerman evidence released

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...-zimmerman.cnn

It's looking more and more like he could actually be convicted of 2nd degree murder.

Graphic Evidence Of The Racism Of Fox News: Racial Photoshopping

News reports are suggesting that later today the authorities in Florida will announce charges against Trayvon Martin’s shooter, George Zimmerman. Coverage of this story was handled by Fox News in a manner that is revealing and offensive – and wholly unique to Fox News:




This is a journalistic lynching. And note, this is not Fox Nation. It is the mothership, Fox News. The editors at this alleged “news” network are demonstrating their overt hostility to both African-Americans and journalistic ethics. If this picture doesn’t finally establish the overarching prejudice of Fox, it’s hard to know what will. Their bias is so clearly being exercised with a zealotry that the Klan would shrink from. How do they get away with this?
[Update] Fox News changed their graphic.

This is a more impartial photo that does not disparage the victim (although it still is not as overtly cheerful as Zimmerman’s pic). You think they got a few complaints about the previous photo? They must have had a reason for changing it.

[Addendum] A couple of commenters have asserted (without proof) that the lighter picture of Trayvon was the one that was Photoshopped. Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that they are right and that the picture Fox used was not altered (at least by Fox). That does not change the fact that Fox made an editorial decision to use that picture. They had numerous pictures from which to choose of both Trayvon and Zimmerman, and they chose the most negative picture of Trayvon which they paired with the most positive picture of Zimmerman. That was not an accident. It was the result of deliberate editorial judgment. And it tells us everything we need to know about Fox’s editors.
For more on the subject of media and race, check out the excellent book by Democracy Now’s Juan Gonzalez:

There has also been some discussion as to whether making Trayvon look darker was inherently racist. Two points: 1) Making anyone look darker has the effect of making them look more sinister. And making the subject of a photo look more sinister, regardless of race, is blatant editorial bias. 2) Darker skinned African-Americans are not viewed more negatively by fair-minded people who are free of prejudice, but they are viewed more negatively by people predisposed to discriminate on the basis of race – i.e. Fox News viewers. Fox is playing to their audience and they know who they are. Studies show that the African-American segment of viewers of Fox News in primetime is only 1.38%. That compares to 19.3% for MSNBC, and 20.7% for CNN, numbers that are much closer to the 14% of African-Americans in the population at large. Or, as the Simpsons put it…

Finally, The question of whether or not George Zimmerman is racist, while important, is secondary here. The real problem is the racism exhibited by the local law enforcement authorities who simply accepted Zimmerman’s claims of self-defense without making an arrest and conducting a proper investigation. Exacerbating that is the overt racism of the right-wing press and their followers. The primary focus going forward should, of course, be the pursuit of justice and the suffering of the victims family. After that the focus should fall on the police and the media as this affair winds its way through the courts. But we should be grateful that concerned citizens spoke out and hit the streets to protest this injustice or there would be no court case at all.
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=6851

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It's looking more and more like he could actually be convicted of 2nd degree murder.

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Maybe Fox Views will riot and set Floyd's barber shop on fire.....

EXClUDE HERE FROM THE jury pool PLEASE

Barbara Espinosa calls Obama a monkey and says: I voted for the white guy

OR GOP RACIST?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=y6fBQTUvdXU

the topic now is zimmerman wife being charged with a FELONY & ZIMMERMANS CONFESSION
to prosecuters when he did not keep in touch with his 1st attorney.

ZIMMERMAN ALSO SAID SOME OTHER INCREMINATING THINGS ON THE PHONE WITH HIS WIFE WHILE HE WAS IN JAIL

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CNN;Zimmerman's wife arrested, CHARGED WITH perjury

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/justic...ife/index.html



June 13, 2012: MediaTakeOut.com is happy to announce that yesterday the wife of George Zimmerman was charged with perjury. The third-degree felony is punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 . Shellie Zimmerman was released on bond. Her husband, neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman, 28, killed the Florida teenager Trayvon Martin on February 26.

Now it is alleged in court documents that Shellie Zimmerman used money transfers to hide the couple's finances as they fought for his release on bond. The arrest affidavit alleges that records show that just days before an April bond hearing for her husband, Shellie Zimmerman, 25, transferred $74,000 in eight smaller amounts ranging from $7,500 to $9,990, from her husband's account to hers.

It also alleges that $47,000 was transferred from George Zimmerman's account to his sister's in the days before the bond hearing.

CNN;Zimmerman's wife arrested, CHARGED WITH perjury



http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/justic...ife/index.html

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BREAKING NEWS: Trayvon's Killer Zimmerman Is ACCUSED OF Assaulting A BLACK POLICE OFFICER!!! (And He Served NO TIME In Jail For It)

March 27, 2012: MediaTakeOutcom learned today that George Zimmerman, the man who MURDERED Trayvon Martin, was charged in 2005 with ASSAULTING a police officer. The mainstream media is GLOSSING OVER this fact, claiming that it was some sort ofmisunderstanding.

Well MediaTakeOut.com spoke with AN INFORMANT, inside the Orlando police department, who tell us that the officer who ZIMMERMAN assaulted - was AFRICAN AMERICAN.

This dude is an ANIMAL. He really believes that he can do ANYTHING to Black people, whether they're OFFICERS, children, armed, or UNARMED.

He really needs to be off the streets!!

http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/55039/br...il-for-it.html

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NEW! zimmerman evidence released

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...-zimmerman.cnn

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Zimmerman's wife arrested on perjury charge

The wife of a Florida man charged with fatally shooting an unarmed teen in February has been arrested on a perjury charge, according to a Florida state attorney's office.
The charge relates to testimony that Shellie Zimmerman (pictured) gave during a bail hearing for her husband, George Zimmerman. Prosecutors contend that Shellie Zimmerman falsely told the court that she and her husband were indigent.
Shellie Zimmerman, 25, was arrested Tuesday, according to Jackie Barnard, spokeswoman for the state attorney's office in the state's Fourth Judicial Circuit. She was released after posting $1,000 bail, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said.
George Zimmerman, 28, is a neighborhood watch volunteer charged with murder in connection with the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, 17, in a Sanford, Florida, neighborhood. George Zimmerman told police he shot the teenager in self-defense and has pleaded not guilty.
A Florida judge revoked his bail June 1 after agreeing with prosecutors that he had misrepresented how much money he had. He is expected to ask for a new bail hearing.

FULL STORY

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12...perjury-charge




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Prosecutors: Jail phone transcripts show Zimmerman, wife talking finances in code


CNN) -- Despite telling the court they were indigent, George Zimmerman and his wife discussed -- in code, according to prosecutors -- money raised online to help in his defense on second-degree murder charges, jailhouse phone calls released Monday show.
Prosecutors had claimed the Zimmermans lied about their financial means before a Florida judge set his bond, which the suspect then posted to get out of jail. Zimmerman, accused in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, is now back behind bars after the judge revoked his bail, citing the misrepresentations.
Six calls made public Monday, out of about 151 total that Zimmerman made while incarcerated, appear to back up the prosecutor's assertions.

At her husband's April 20 bond hearing, Shellie Zimmerman testified she didn't know how much had been raised through the website her husband had set up before charges being filed.
And when asked whether the couple had money available to assist in his defense, she replied, "Um, not -- not that I'm aware of."
In one jailhouse phone conversation, Zimmerman asks his wife, "In my account, do I have at least $100?" She answers no, then tells him he has more like "$8, $8.60."
"So total everything, how much are we looking at?" Zimmerman asks his wife.
"Like $155," she responds.
Prosecutors claim the husband and wife were speaking in a type of code about their available funds, an assertion Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara says the defense has "never contested."
"There's no question that they were talking in this sort of simplistic kind of code, where they were talking about $155 when, without question, they were talking about $155,000," O'Mara told CNN's Piers Morgan on Monday night.
In another call, Zimmerman asks his wife to "pay off all the bills," including Sam's Club and American Express bills, prosecutors said.
The couple also discusses how much money can be accessed and what to do with it, including transferring funds that were raised online for his defense to accounts belonging to Zimmerman's sister and wife, prosecutors state in a probable cause affidavit.
Records released Monday show that tens of thousands of dollars were transferred out of a bank account. Prosecutors allege a total of $47,000 was transferred from George Zimmerman's account to his sister's account from April 16 and 17, and that Shellie Zimmerman transferred more than $74,000 from her husband's account to her account between April 16 and April 19.
After George Zimmerman was released on bond this spring, his wife transferred more than $85,500 from her account back to his account, according to the affidavit.

Prosecutors allege the couple actually had about $135,000 of donations at their disposal when they both told the court, under oath, they were indigent.
O'Mara, Zimmerman's lawyer, later said his client ended up netting a total of $204,000 via PayPal accounts -- about $150,000 of which is now in an independently managed trust after $30,000 was used to pay for "life in hiding" and $20,000 has been kept liquid.
On June 1, Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. agreed with the prosecution that the Zimmermans were dishonest about their financial status and, after revoking George Zimmerman's bond, ordered that he return to jail. He remains behind bars and has a second bond hearing set for June 29.
On June 12, Shellie Zimmerman was arrested on a perjury charge, accused of lying at her husband's bond hearing about the couple's finances. She was released later that day after meeting the conditions of a $1,000 bond, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said.
The defense team on Monday filed a motion asking a judge to reconsider the release of a witness statement and to clarify a previous ruling on the release of additional jail phone calls. Both issues will be addressed during next week's bond hearing.
It all ties into the larger case against Zimmerman, who prosecutors say ignored a police dispatcher's instruction and pursued Martin as he was walking in a Sanford, Florida, gated community last winter and shot the unarmed teenager. The 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer, meanwhile, has insisted he shot Martin in self-defense.
Independent attorneys told HLN's Jane Velez-Mitchell the jailhouse recordings should be relevant in the case -- both as the judge weighs how high to set Zimmerman's bail and, once the trial begins, potentially affecting jurors' assessment as to whether his account of what happened February 26 can be trusted. While investigators talked to several neighbors and others, no one saw the shooting directly except for Zimmerman and the now-deceased Martin.
"His credibility is everything. Why would he risk it on something that is so trivial as this?" Georgia-based lawyer Pilar Prinz said of the Zimmermans' jailhouse discussions about their money. " I can't understand it."
O'Mara acknowledged the Zimmermans inflicted a "great blow to their credibility," making it clear the two had available funds and were not honest about it -- something that might prompt Judge Lester to order the defendant to stay in jail until the trial because he feels "he can no longer trust him."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/18/justic...iref=obnetwork

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It is probably not a good idea to render a verdict without a hearing of facts, but I believe Zimmerman will be unable to hide behind "stand your ground". He is guilty, and will serve time for his crime.

In all due respect to Al Sharpton and his ilk, I do not accept Zimmerman as a white man. I will not show up to claim him as such. This is just another minority on minority crime. And, there is an epidemic of it nationwide. What interests me, is the racist, no care attitude of the cops, on the night of the murder. Otherwise, it is just another day in paradise.

BREAKING NEWS video!;AS NEW EVIDENCE ROLLS IN Sanford police chief fired in wake of Trayvon Martin case

(CNN) -- Sanford, Florida, Police Chief Bill Lee, who drew criticism for his department's actions in the Trayvon Martin case, was fired Wednesday.
"After much thoughtful discussion and deep consideration for the issues facing the city of Sanford, I have determined the police chief needs to have the trust and respect of the elected officials and the confidence of the entire community," City Manager Norton Bonaparte said in a news release.
"We need to move forward with a police chief that all the citizens of Sanford can support. I have come to this decision in light of the escalating divisiveness that has taken hold of the city."
Lee will receive a three-month severance and a week's salary in addition to any earned time off.
As a search for Lee's replacement is carried out, interim Chief Richard W. Myers will remain on the job.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/justic...dmn_topstories

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BREAKING NEWS video!;AS NEW EVIDENCE ROLLS IN Sanford police chief fired in wake of Trayvon Martin case

(CNN) -- Sanford, Florida, Police Chief Bill Lee, who drew criticism for his department's actions in the Trayvon Martin case, was fired Wednesday.
"After much thoughtful discussion and deep consideration for the issues facing the city of Sanford, I have determined the police chief needs to have the trust and respect of the elected officials and the confidence of the entire community," City Manager Norton Bonaparte said in a news release.
"We need to move forward with a police chief that all the citizens of Sanford can support. I have come to this decision in light of the escalating divisiveness that has taken hold of the city."
Lee will receive a three-month severance and a week's salary in addition to any earned time off.
As a search for Lee's replacement is carried out, interim Chief Richard W. Myers will remain on the job.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/justic...dmn_topstories

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well, that was easy.

Hmm...on most Wanted posters, Hispanics are classified as white (with race not nationality)...making this technically a white-on-black incident...Just sayin'...

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Hispanics don't want to be considered white. They are offended when they are mistaken for white, so I happily exclude them. Zimmerman and Obama have the same amount of white blood in their veins, and I don't accept Obama either as a white man.

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Hispanics don't want to be considered white. They are offended when they are mistaken for white, so I happily exclude them. Zimmerman and Obama have the same amount of white blood in their veins, and I don't accept Obama either as a white man.

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YOU don't accept them as white? And who appointed you the arbiter of whitedom? (for reference: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arbiter)

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Hispanics don't want to be considered white. They are offended when they are mistaken for white, so I happily exclude them. Zimmerman and Obama have the same amount of white blood in their veins, and I don't accept Obama either as a white man.

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Bollocks. Ask a Spaniard and get your face slapped.

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Bollocks. Ask a Spaniard and get your face slapped.

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I am not referring to people from spain, yes they are white.

Refer to a Puerto Rican as white, male or female, and be prepared to pick up your teeth with broken fingers.

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I am not referring to people from spain, yes they are white.

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:confused::confused::confused: Yet the Spanish are a centuries old mix of European, Arabic and Moorish, no less mixed than the people you don't see as white.

Must be a Merkin thing. I'm totally confused.

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:confused::confused::confused: Yet the Spanish are a centuries old mix of European, Arabic and Moorish, no less mixed than the people you don't see as white.

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Oh but Robert, Spain is in Europe and don't you know that in Europe EVERYONE is white!?!?!

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:confused::confused::confused: Yet the Spanish are a centuries old mix of European, Arabic and Moorish, no less mixed than the people you don't see as white.

Must be a Merkin thing. I'm totally confused.

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I don't believe in the concept of race. It is another device, like religion to pit man against man. But as long as the liberals want to push race bating, I will continue to play along re-writing the rules as I go, to ridicule this crap. As a white man, I am proud to say that I have never referred to a black person as an african-american, I have never gotten sucked into that BS, as there is no such thing as a hyphenated person. The fact that black people want to play this game of being watered down nationals amazes me. First it was negroes, then colored, then black, then I got off the bus.....and they continued to redefine themselves. Well good for them.

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I don't believe in the concept of race. It is another device, like religion to pit man against man. But as long as the liberals want to push race bating, I will continue to play along re-writing the rules as I go, to ridicule this crap. As a white man, I am proud to say that I have never referred to a black person as an african-american, I have never gotten sucked into that BS, as there is no such thing as a hyphenated person. The fact that black people want to play this game of being watered down nationals amazes me. First it was negroes, then colored, then black, then I got off the bus.....and they continued to redefine themselves. Well good for them.

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Blacks didn't have the chance to make that choice, remember?

And if we're all Americans, shouldn't we be treated equally? I mean, that's what the Constitution says, doesn't it?

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YOU don't accept them as white? And who appointed you the arbiter of whitedom? (for reference: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arbiter)

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If the Hispanic community makes a formal petition to the UN to be considered white, then I might consider including therm.

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Originally Posted by fastingforlife

I don't believe in the concept of race. It is another device, like religion to pit man against man. But as long as the liberals want to push race bating, I will continue to play along re-writing the rules as I go, to ridicule this crap. As a white man, I am proud to say that I have never referred to a black person as an african-american, I have never gotten sucked into that BS, as there is no such thing as a hyphenated person. The fact that black people want to play this game of being watered down nationals amazes me. First it was negroes, then colored, then black, then I got off the bus.....and they continued to redefine themselves. Well good for them.

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If you don't believe in the concept of race why are you pronouncing yourself 'white' and bandying about terms like Hispanic and making pronouncements about who you consider to be white or non-white? You seem confused......

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Originally Posted by Token Williams-Black

WE didn't make that choice, remember?

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Well, although I do not accept african-american as a label, I understand the roots behind it. Normally, a foreigner hypenhates for the first generation. Say Irish-american, then their offspring is referred to (if they wish) as americans of irish decent. For the decendents of slaves, who lack a national identity, they are forever in limbo, doomed to be hyphenated, like a ghost searching for their lost love. I choose not to accept black people as citizens held hostage to their past, so I will not play along. What really galls me is the disingenious of a black man who did not originate from the slave trade, who chooses such a monicker. For example, Obama, who can refer to himself as either a Kenyan American or American of Kenyan descent. He only refers to himself as an african american fraudulently claiming slave heritage that he is not qualified to claim.

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Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream

If you don't believe in the concept of race why are you pronouncing yourself 'white' and bandying about terms like Hispanic and making pronouncements about who you consider to be white or non-white? You seem confused......

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Far from it, this thread only exists because of racism, merely playing along with the liberal bullshit.

Tim Wise on the Creation of Whiteness (Clip)
http://redroom.com/member/tim-wise/m...whiteness-clip

Tim Wise on White Privilege (Teaser)
http://redroom.com/member/tim-wise/m...ivilege-teaser





Tim Wise on the "Dominant Historical Narrative"
http://redroom.com/member/tim-wise/m...ical-narrative


TIM WISE- INSTITUTIONAL RACISM IN AMERICAN SOCIETY IS REAL TIM WISE- INSTITUTIONAL RACISM IN AMERICAN SOCIETY IS REAL - YouTube

Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education
Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education - YouTube

Tim Wise social control
Tim Wise social control - YouTube

The Underprivileged White Male
The Underprivileged White Male - YouTube

Everytime I hear a black person be referred to, or refer to himself as an african american, I wince. What really is being said is, "hey, look at me, my forbears were slaves, please give me the deference and respect I deserve".

I say, fuck you, and the boat your forbears sailed in on. Get over it asshole, and man up.

Yeah, fuck that slave boat. Fuck all those fucking slave boats. While you're at fuck the slavers too. African-Americans, Korean-Americans, Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans...we're here, we're free and we call ourselves as we please. Get over it twit.

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Originally Posted by trish

Yeah, fuck that slave boat. Fuck all those fucking slave boats. While you're at fuck the slavers too. African-Americans, Korean-Americans, Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans...we're here, we're free and we call ourselves as we please. Get over it twit.

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I have been over it a long time, never resorting to hyphenated mealy mouth BS. And, stop commenting on my comments. I have strictly forbidden you. Remember?

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Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream

Oh but Robert, Spain is in Europe and don't you know that in Europe EVERYONE is white!?!?!

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Heartening sight in Kettering the other day, a typical Midlands town: a table with four teenagers, one black, one Asian (that means from the sub-continent in UK terms) one Chinese, one white, all having a ball and clearly good friends. A lot of kids here seem oblivious of colour; the older generation could learn a lot from them. They're much the same with gays. It gives you hope for the future.