I’ve got nothing I can say except a useless but compassionately offered, “Sorry.”Quote:
Originally Posted by blakpadi
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I’ve got nothing I can say except a useless but compassionately offered, “Sorry.”Quote:
Originally Posted by blakpadi
Nice sentiment. Darwin Award. What a bitch! So who was at fault in that incident? Does the blame all lie with the kids? Shouldn't the gun-owner in this case own some of the blame? Is it enough for him to say, "Shucks, I told them kids to stay away from my guns," and never serve a day in jail or pay so much as a fine? And why aren't there significant punishments for gun-owners who firearms are implemented in violent deaths? Why is there so much toxic lead flying through the atmosphere at ground level? Could it be that NRA lobbyists stymied all manner of gun regulation?Quote:
Originally Posted by kittyKaiti
But the NRA can't be blamed. No. Nor their supporters. They're the good guns with the pearl handles and the white hats. Shit just happens. It's Darwinism. Survival of the species that best fits the niche. The kid was stupid. He deserved to die. What a bitch!
I tend to find that argument is only constructive when both sides are listening.
Guys, you might just be wasting your time here.
Next time you threaten to ban me, I suggest you watch your own language, buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
No, sorry, no matter how much hate you can spew for gun owners and organizations, the NRA did not put that firearm in the kid's hand. I didn't put the gun in his hand. He picked it up himself. He shot himself with it. Stop trying to blame the rest of the world for the choices people make.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
The father should have kept his guns in a secured location if they weren't in use. He should have taught his children gun safety. He should have informed his family about the dangers, that it isn't a toy, that it should never be touched and it should have been kept in a safe or locked. But the fact that someone who is old enough to know better, picked up a gun and put it to their head, is not my fault, nor the rest of the world's fault, nor the fault of the NRA.
It would be like if the kid took his dad's car keys and crashed and died and you try to blame Ford.
No my dear Kitty.... my language is fine. Buddy.Describing someone as a gun nutjob is part of the discourse. Your comment regarding the darwin awards in reference to the tragic death of a young man is NOT acceptable.
Miss Kaiti is now taking a short enforced vacation from this forum.
Keep saying that, it's good for the soul. But it won't change the fact that the NRA and its supporters share responsibility, along with all us who continue to let it happen, for the deaths of tens of thousands of men, women and children every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by kittyKaiti
You can't compare her to Dick Cheney because he's a Republican/ Conservative...or NeoCon - depending on who you're listening to. As such...he still believes in a mix of government and industry. Kittie, on the other hand, probably considers herself a libertarian...I'm guessing. However...she seems to get her info from the gov't conspiracy sites on the internet and because of that she's not really a libertarian either ( for reasons delineated in some of Trish's responses to her). Robert is therefore correct...you can't argue with a conspiracy theorist (honestly - she hits every anti govt...anti corporation talking
point making it's round on the web)...you will just be talking in circles and will never change their paranoid minds.
Apologies for any errors...I'm writing on my phone and its small...lol
wow......................................
read everything ( thank you Prospero for pointing me here. Didn't even realize there was a board like this here. I always go straight to the General :p )
blakpadi - sorry that happened. went through an almost similar situation years ago with my step mom.
About Kitty... Never took her to be like that ( or any tranny ). Had to ask Jamie about her because I barely could remember who she was. Had her mixed up with someone else.
Still having a hard time accepting how some people ( like a tranny ) stand up for something as ludicrous as Cliven Bundy, his water-headed ideals, and his criminal gang.
Arrogance, ignorance, self-righteousness, and stupidity were all displayed by Kitty.
Yes I can explain the difference, there are many many differences, here are some of the most obvious:Quote:
Originally Posted by kittyKaiti
1 Time, Mr. Bundy's dispute has been going on longer
2 The other people got medals based on their actions, not for accruing tax debts as the graphic implies.
3 Bundy and his supporters took up arms against the federal government (I wouldn't call this terrorism as the people the protesters where opposing where armed as well as professional soldiers, but a reasonable person could call it treason)
4 The leader of a nation might not want to give a medal to someone who does not recognize the authority of that nation.
The BLM's case for the grazing fees are kind of bullshit, but they are also the law.
Does Cliven Bundy Represent the Ugly American?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Y6vi68MuI
Cliven Bundy was denied bail today. Hooray!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/0...Bundy-in-court
Some excepts
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Bundy is lawless and violent. He does not recognize federal courts – claiming they are illegitimate – does not recognize federal law, refuses to obey federal court orders, has already used force and violence against federal law enforcement officers while they were enforcing federal court orders, nearly causing catastrophic loss of life or injury to others. He has pledged to do so again in the future to keep federal law enforcement officers from enforcing the law against him. As of the date of this hearing, he continues to violate federal court orders and continues to possess the proceeds of his illegal activities.
Bundy is currently charged with crimes of violence including using and brandishing firearms in connection with crimes of violence under Title 18, United States Code, Section 924(c). As such, the Bail Reform Act presumes that there areno conditions or combination of conditions that will ensure the safety of the community. 18 U.S.C. § 3142(e)(3)(B). Here, no evidence has been adduced during the investigation of the instant charges that even remotely hints at a rebuttal to that presumption. In fact, all the evidence suggests that Bundy will continue to act lawlessly, will not abide by court orders, and will use violence to ensure that federal laws are not enforced as to him.
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While Bundy claims he is a cattle rancher, his ranching operation – to the extent it can be called that – is unconventional if not bizarre. Rather than manage and control his cattle, he lets them run wild on the public lands with little, if any, human interaction until such time when he traps them and hauls them off to be sold or slaughtered for his own consumption. He does not vaccinate or treat his cattle for disease; does not employ cowboys to control and herd them; does not manage or control breeding; has no knowledge of where all the cattle are located at any given time; rarely brands them before he captures them; and has to bait the minto traps in order to gather them.
Reminds me of how Bernie Sanders is considered a friend of the African America community despite Vermont black leaders denouncing him strongly, and all his policies being detrimental to blacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Or George Soros. Or Tom Steyer. Or Haim Saban. Or Donald Sussman. Or Laure Woods. Or Herb Sandler. Or James Pritzker. Or Barbara Lee. Or Bernie Schwartz. Or Patricia Stryker. Or Dan Abraham. Or Steven Spielberg. Or Tom Tull. Or Jeffrey Katzenberg Or JJ Abrams. Or Stephen Silberstein. All of whom donated over a million dollars to Democrats. All of whom donated more than the Koch Brothers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
But yes, let's continue with the Koch Brothers boogie man, because it's very convenient since it is pushed by the Democratic propaganda machine.
Which would be the government that established slavery, established the Jim Crow laws, established the Federal Reserve, spies on you through the NSA, put together the TPP, put together NAFTA, kills thousands of innocent children in foreign countries, denies the LGBT community equal rights and murders people who dare to stand up to all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
LOL! I sincerely hope this isn't serious. The New Deal worsened and prolonged the Depression. As did the World War the US unnecessarily and forcefully entered itself into.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
You do realize Prospero (a monitor who was well loved around here) died not long ago and is unable answer your posts or downthumb you. What a fuckin' jerk! Those posts are two years old; that's about your emotional age.
I'm not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I have no idea how his policies affect any community. But has he said anything as offensive as what Cliven Bundy said about African-Americans? That's not a rhetorical question. Has he?Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamon
In consecutive posts you are deploring U.S foreign policy that killed thousands of foreign children and U.S. foreign policy that helped prevent the eventual extermination of all non-German Europeans. I can't tell whether you value innocent life or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamon
In 1972, he wrote about how all women fantasize about being gang raped. In 1969, he wrote about how the cause of ovarian cancer is a lack of orgasms.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...eedom-fluoride
The loss of life in other countries is unfortunate. But our government has a responsibility to its own citizens, not others.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
I thought we were talking about racism against African-Americans. I said Cliven Bundy is a racist notwithstanding his hugging of a black man, and you said you think Bernie Sanders is too. I then asked whether Bernie Sanders has said anything as offensive about African-Americans as Bundy and you write about his alleged misogyny.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamon
I almost think your bringing up Bernie Sanders is a complete non-sequitur.
Cliven Bundy and eighteen others involved in the 2014 armed confrontation with the Federal government have been arrested (last week March 4) two years later. The government and the public has shown great constraint. Finally this blusterous, freeloading, gun-toting racist and his zombie followers are going to be brought to justice. Bundy, who is facing sixteen charges, refuses to enter a plea because he doesn’t recognize the authority of the United States of America in this affair. The judge entered a plea of “not guilty” in Bundy’s behalf.
http://nyti.ms/1QRpYO7
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...upport-n536206
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cl...eral-authority
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/us/ore...tal/index.html
I haven't read the article carefully but this came up on my news feed. I owe it to all of the anti-government militia types on this forum to post this since I was very pleased the man and his cohorts were charged for what I thought was seditious activity. But a court has acquitted him on various charges.
But before you celebrate, the acquittal is under the authority of the same federal government the Bundys refused to recognize and considered an illegitimate tyrannical entity. So which is it?
Not sure they care. Reports in the press here suggest that if Trump wins he will rule by TV and decree, if Clinton wins it will be 'Choose your weapons', which could be anything from AK-47s to Pitchforks and flames.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Or it may be that reports on the death of American democracy are exaggerated.
Let's hope the latter. Yet the recent acquittal doesn't bode well. http://nyti.ms/2dQKbXfQuote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
At least we can rest in Trump's assurance that the Central Park Five are still guilty.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ll_guilty.html
Let's see. I have a feeling that when faced with the possibility of near certain death, most of these people are too comfortable to give up complaining about the media and the government...but I'm an optimist. That doesn't mean there aren't going to be flare-ups or the occasional dangerous lone-wolf given the world we live in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
"I knew that what my husband was doing was right, but I was nervous because the judge was controlling the narrative,”Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Welcome to the federal rules of evidence. Somehow the Judge thought your husband's paranoid imaginings were not probative of his guilt or innocence of specific crimes. You're right Trish , the acquittal does not bode well because it sounds like the defense made a jury nullification argument and it won.