The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

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Originally Posted by maddygirl

Go ahead, you can, doesn't mean you're right or know the situation first hand. If it was life or death and he shot him I don't blame him..

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What, they cut off your frontal cortex too?

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Originally Posted by nysprod

What, they cut off your frontal cortex too?

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Hilarious. Almost as funny as the racist, stupid thread you created the other day mocking the Koreans who died in a plane crash. If anyone is lacking brain capacity, it's you, dumb fuck.

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Originally Posted by maddygirl

Hilarious. Almost as funny as the racist, stupid thread you created the other day mocking the Koreans who died in a plane crash. If anyone is lacking brain capacity, it's you, dumb fuck.

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The thread was about the stupidity of the TV newscasters who were dumb enough to say the names...Zimmerman chased and confronted Martin for no other reason than he was a young black kid...and it's only the idiot laws in Fla that allow self defense in cases where someone acts as an agresor that allowed him to get away with it.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

The thread was about the stupidity of the TV newscasters who were dumb enough to say the names...Zimmerman chased and confronted Martin for no other reason than he was a young black kid...and it's only the idiot laws in Fla that allow self defense in cases where someone acts as an agresor that allowed him to get away with it.

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Were you there? Do you KNOW that was the ONLY reason? No. So you can speculate all day as to what exactly happened, but you don't know. If Martin attacked him, he WASN'T the aggresor, he was defending himself..

Ok, you know what, I was wrong to make that crack to Maddygirl, and I apologize.

I am a bit emotional over what happened in this case, but that's no excuse for inappropriate comments.

None the less, it was wrong, and I'm sorry I said it.

a 17 year old teenager died becomes a Spanish heritage male wanted to be a cop and assumed Martin was a criminal up to no good when he belonged in that community.

Traayvon had a right to stand his ground
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/opinio...immerman-trial

The question that has not surfaced in the courtroom -- the elephant in the room -- is this: Did Martin fear for his life after being followed and confronted by a stranger while going to the store to buy candy and a soft drink? Was he, Martin, justified in standing his ground and defending himself when this stranger, an apparent stalker, approached him in a threatening manner?
Zimmerman didn't identify himself and never said he was part of the neighborhood watch group.
Think about it: We're told over and over that if Zimmerman was afraid of Martin, according to Florida law, he had the right to put a bullet in the chamber of his concealed handgun, get out of his car after being told not to by the 911 dispatcher and follow and confront Martin and shoot him to death.
At the same time, we are told that Martin, who had far greater reason to fear Zimmerman, practically and for reasons of American history, did not have the right to confront his stalker, stand his ground and defend himself, including by using his fists.

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Originally Posted by be2378

I don't know why people are pissed the Hispanic got off. The white guy wasn't on trial. The Hispanic got off with all white women the jury. What's the problem? If it was old white guys on the jury, then sure.

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Can you imagine what might have happened to this black kid had another out of work loser looking to protect 'his' neighbourhood seen him chasing after a white man's car?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...l?ir=Good+News

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Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream

Can you imagine what might have happened to this black kid had another out of work loser looking to protect 'his' neighbourhood seen him chasing after a white man's car?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...l?ir=Good+News

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Heard about that over the weekend. Kid probably saved that little girl's life. He's a hero.




...on another note. The way the article is written - It just seems odd that the cops couldn't find a guy with a maroon car with round taillights, and wearing green shoes, green pants and a red-and-white striped shirt. He reportedly walked with a limp.
Yet he's still on the loose.


lol..(yeah yeah...I know - he changed clothes ...and you don't see the limp while he's driving his maroon car...but still.)

BREAKING NEWS ! a few things

NY Daily News' Powerful Trayvon Martin Front Page (PHOTO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...ef=mostpopular

Justice Department To Review George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin Case

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...ef=mostpopular

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1243409/th...NYDN-570.jpg?7

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Originally Posted by dderek123

Read this on another forum. Just copied and pasted his post.

"I present to you the facts. I also included my opinion at the end but you can feel free to ignore that part.

Who:

• George Zimmerman: - 29 Years Old - Hispanic Male - Insurance Fraud Investigator - Spearheaded a Neighborhood Watch program after a string of burglaries. - Lives in a gated community in Sanford Florida. - Record of Assaulting a Police Officer

• Trayvon Martin: - 17 Years Old. - Black Male. - Student - Suspended from school for Vandalism - Participated in and refereed illegal MMA fights. - Lives in Miami Gardens, Visiting father's France's house in Zimmerman's neighborhood.

• Rachel Jeantel - Trayvon's Friend. Originally claimed to be his girlfriend. - Was on the phone with Trayvon during the moments leading up to the shooting. - Originally claimed to be 16. That's why she was not featured before the trial. She is actually 19. - Ms. Jeantel has offered a few variations of events. For simplicity we will use the version she gave during the trial.

Where:
Sanford Florida. Gated community where Zimmerman lives as well as Tracy Martin's fiancé.

When:
February 26, 2012 between 7pm and 8pm. It was raining and getting dark.

What:
-Trayvon was visiting his fathers fiancé.
-Trayvon went to the gas station to get skittles and iced tea.
-Zimmerman notices Martin walking through people's yards.
-Zimmerman calls the non emergency line for the Local PD.
-Zimmerman describes Martin to dispatch and requests a police officer.
-Zimmerman says These Fucking Punks always get away.
-Trayvon notices Zimmerman watching him as tells Jeantel it is a creepy ass cracker.
-Trayvon continues to walk through people'a yards.
-Zimmerman gets out his his car in order to follow Trayvon and see why he is traveling through people's yards.
-Trayvon tells Jeantel "The nigga still following me"
-Trayvon begins to run towards his fathers finances house.
-Zimmerman begins to run in order to keep sight of Trayvon.
-Dispatcher hears wind noise and asks Zimmerman what he is doing.
-Zimmerman states he observing the subject and trying to find an address for the PD to intercept Trayvon.
-Dispatch tells Zimmerman "We don't need you to do that"
-Zimmerman stops and loses sight of Trayvon.
-Zimmerman heads back to his car.
-Trayvon tells Jeantel that he lost Zimmerman and he is right outside his fathers finances house.

*Up until this point Zimmerman's story and Jeantel's testimony match. Now the stories diverge.*

Zimmerman's Version: - As he is walking back to his car Trayvon approaches him and asks, "You got a problem?!" - Zimmerman says "No" - Trayvon says "You do now" - Trayvon attacks Zimmerman and smashes his head into the sidewalk. - Zimmerman draws his weapon while Trayvon is on top and fires into his chest killing him.

Jeantel's Version: (From Trial) - Trayvon is outside his Fathers finances house. - Trayvon suddenly says, "Oh Shit" - Jeantel hears Zimmerman say, "What you doing here?" - Jeantel then says she hears a bump and wet grass sounds and the phone goes out.

My opinion: - Jeantel's version doesn't make sense. If Mr. Martin was already at his Father's finances house then the altercation would have occurred there and not over a hundred yards to the north towards Zimmerman's SUV.
I think what happened was Trayvon doubled back and went looking for Zimmerman. After all he didn't feel he was doing anything wrong and would've been pissed that a white guy was following him as wanted to teach him a lesson.


I think we had two hot headed individuals that both had opportunities to walk away.
Unfortunately they didn't and one was killed.
I believe that Zimmerman had every right to simply observe Trayvon and call the police.
Unless we can prove that Zimmerman walked up to Trayvon and started a physical confrontation with him then his claim of self defense should be upheld.
Just because Trayvon was annoyed that a (what he thought was) white guy was following him does not give him the right to use any physical force.
It all comes down to who threw the first punch. Based on witness testimony and the layout of the neighborhood I believe that Trayvon doubled back and went looking for Zimmerman."

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You perfectly said it best. I fully agree with this. I wish people would just except the verdict and go on with their lives. I don't feel race had anything to do with this. If anyone in this case was being racist. It was Martin by calling Zimmermen a "white ass cracker" I'm still amazed that Jeantel had the audacity to say in court that "White Ass Cracker" wasn't a racial term.

TRAYVON MARTIN CALLED zimmerman A "NIGGA" too.

so how is that racism?

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Originally Posted by nybpro

If anyone in this case was being racist. It was Martin by calling Zimmermen a "white ass cracker" I'm still amazed that Jeantel had the audacity to say in court that "White Ass Cracker" wasn't a racial term.

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Originally Posted by natina

TRAYVON MARTIN CALLED zimmerman A "NIGGA" too.

so how is that racism?

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So, by your definition, if Zimmerman called Travyon a "black ass nigga" then called him a "cracker" it would cancel out the racism.

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Originally Posted by natina

TRAYVON MARTIN CALLED zimmerman A "NIGGA" too.

so how is that racism?

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In the world of Ghetto slang. Nigga does not mean the same thing as Nigger.
And honestly I've never heard a black man call what he thinks is a white dude "Nigga"

So Martin called Zimmermen a "white ass cracker" And also a "Nigga"?
Seems odd...

Cracker should now be referred to as the "C-word"

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Originally Posted by trish

I already mentioned gun show loopholes. Close 'em.

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The 'gun show' loopholes you mention... are really the 'private sales' 'loophole'.

Any person or business that routinely sells firearms must be a federally licensed dealer (aka FFL) and has certain paperwork requirements (ATF form 4473) which involve background checks of the buyer. Even at a gun show an FFL is still required to have the buyer fill out the 4473 and have it called into the NICS for a background check.

A person who is not in the business of routinely selling firearms is free to go to the gun show and sell their arms with a handshake if they like (depending on state laws). The same also goes for any transaction they might conduct in their living room, a parking lot or virtually anywhere else within the state that both are a resident of.

To call it the 'gun show' loophole once again demonstrates your ignorance of the issue as it applies to *all* private sales. Of course your ignorance is shown doubly so when you say 'gun show loopholes' (plural). I'm very familiar with the laws regarding firearms at the state & federal level... and would love to hear what other loopholes you think exist at gun shows other than the lack of a background check for private sales (which still does not absolve the seller of liability).

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Originally Posted by nybpro

Cracker should now be referred to as the "C-word"

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I think that's a really lame idea.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

I think that's a really lame idea.

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If you actually thought I was serious then Wow !!! :shrug

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Originally Posted by nybpro

If you actually thought I was serious then Wow !!! :shrug

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Hey, not trying to start a flamewar. I know where you're going with that and while I recognize all slurs are bad, they don't all carry with them the same force. To me it's not an arbitrary thing that people are hesitant to say the n word even when quoting someone.

it was in the court transcripts that martin used both the c-word and a variation of the n word to describe zimmerman stalking him.

but martin used the word nigga and not the actual n-word which is a form of that word

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Originally Posted by nybpro

In the world of Ghetto slang. Nigga does not mean the same thing as Nigger.
And honestly I've never heard a black man call what he thinks is a white dude "Nigga"

So Martin called Zimmermen a "white ass cracker" And also a "Nigga"?
Seems odd...

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Originally Posted by trish

Oh the ol' slippery slope argument.

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Trust me Trish, time and again we see that slippery slope happening.

For instance, Diane confessed to an outright ban herself, stating that if she could get 51% vote she would ban every gun in America (except the ones used by the body guards protecting her family of course)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRblw29I14U

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Originally Posted by trish

The Texas legislature allows you to carry firearms into their chambers...

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I bet you there will be no mass shooting happening in that place since the weirdos and criminals know they can be stopped and killed by CCW armed law-abiding citizens.

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Originally Posted by trish

I didn't confess anything. I volunteered that I was hunter; that's not the same thing as a gun enthusiast.

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gun enthusiast or not, I hope that you know that the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

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Originally Posted by trish

Enthusiasm over a hard, steel rolled barrel that shoots projectiles into soft pliant flesh is something you may or may not experience.

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O Trish! for a minute there I thought you were salaciously thinking about my hard meat during the act of deflowering the deflowerable.

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Originally Posted by trish

I'm merely suggesting that even though it's your right to keep a firearm at home, it nevertheless increases your family's risk of injury and death.

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Yet that right should never be trampled upon by any entity: Foreign or domestic.

Just as an exercise, have a look at the 2nd amendment and briefly answer the following question (Hint...it can be answered in 1 sentence):

Why did the framers write the 2nd amendment?

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Why did the framers write the 2nd amendment?

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LSD. The founders were on an acid trip and thought it would be funny if they combined the right to bear arms with important rights like free speech, the requirement of a grand jury indictment in criminal cases, protection against self-incrimination, prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment. I can tell you for sure when they were done tripping their balls off they regretted it. Little did they know their little prank would be used as a justification by rednecks for small-mindedness, insecurity, and lethal hostility towards their neighbors.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Just as an exercise, have a look at the 2nd amendment and briefly answer the following question (Hint...it can be answered in 1 sentence):

Why did the framers write the 2nd amendment?

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...because all governments, democratic or not, like the king the Framers had to deal with, like Germany in which the National Socialists won the Federal elections during the 1930s, can become tyrannical.

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Originally Posted by african1

...because all governments, democratic or not, like the king the Framers had to deal with, like Germany in which the National Socialists won the Federal elections during the 1930s, can become tyrannical.

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Incorrect...please try again.

Ah yes, the national socialists. Every time I look back at that chapter of history I always say, "if only the Jews had guns". Actually not really.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Incorrect...please try again.

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ok enlighten me...

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Originally Posted by broncofan

Ah yes, the national socialists. Every time I look back at that chapter of history I always say, "if only the Jews had guns". Actually not really.

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and if only the Mexicans did.

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Originally Posted by african1

ok enlighten me...

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Here is the 2nd amendment...please read it and try to answer the question again:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

NYSprod... quit being so aggressive to people

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Originally Posted by nybpro

Cracker should now be referred to as the "C-word"

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Originally Posted by broncofan

I think that's a really lame idea.

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The "C-word" is already "CUNT"...as in Ann Coulter.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

I am a bit emotional over what happened in this case, but that's no excuse for inappropriate comments.

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http://images.wikia.com/brutallegend...'t_Say.jpg

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Originally Posted by trish

Chicago also a huge metropolitan that is a hop, skip and a jump away from Wisconsin and Iowa. The borders are gun permeable.

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I'm just saying that our lack of concealed carry laws hasn't stopped us from having hundreds of murders every year. It's not as simple as your post suggested. Plus with all the restrictions in the CC law, only about a dozen people will be permitted carry a firearm in about 0.05% of the state. That's only a slight exaggeration ;)

Btw, I don't think the Wild West was as wild as you think it was ...

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Originally Posted by trish

It's not a few. It's thousands. And accidents don't just happen to the low IQ, though I admit it takes a pretty low IQ to decide to carry a gun to begin with. Police officers have accidents all the time. Trained veterans. I know the rules, I used to hunt with my father and my brothers. All hunters know the rules. Yet Cheney shot his friend in the face. An acquaintance of mine mistook his father for a turkey. These people are necessarily of low IQ. It only takes acting like idiot once.

http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/

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Now that is just wrong Trish and you know it. You're better than that. If you seriously believe what you wrote here, then I lost much of the respect I had for you. Sweeping generalities like should be beneath you ...

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Originally Posted by bobvela

The 'gun show' loopholes you mention... are really the 'private sales' 'loophole'.

Any person or business that routinely sells firearms must be a federally licensed dealer (aka FFL) and has certain paperwork requirements (ATF form 4473) which involve background checks of the buyer. Even at a gun show an FFL is still required to have the buyer fill out the 4473 and have it called into the NICS for a background check.

A person who is not in the business of routinely selling firearms is free to go to the gun show and sell their arms with a handshake if they like (depending on state laws). The same also goes for any transaction they might conduct in their living room, a parking lot or virtually anywhere else within the state that both are a resident of.

To call it the 'gun show' loophole once again demonstrates your ignorance of the issue as it applies to *all* private sales. Of course your ignorance is shown doubly so when you say 'gun show loopholes' (plural). I'm very familiar with the laws regarding firearms at the state & federal level... and would love to hear what other loopholes you think exist at gun shows other than the lack of a background check for private sales (which still does not absolve the seller of liability).

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Thank you Bob for pointing out the "gun show loophole" is really a special case of the more general "private firearm sales loophole." If you don't mind I'll continue to use the shorter and more common vernacular when referring to this issue.

Given the intransigence of the NRA and gun "enthusiasts," I won't be proposing anything else today. I'm not optimistic that we can make even this small revision to our current laws. You know, slippery slope and all. Close the gun show loophole and soon the government will want to take away your right to duel.
No! Don't tell me! I'm ignorant again?! They already have?! And now they've taken away that freedom, they're going after the gun show loophole?! Damn that slippery slope.

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Originally Posted by african1

So your plan is repealing the 2nd amendment.

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That's typical conservative rhetoric where any common sense regulation is tantamount to revocation of the 2nd amendment. There are no absolutes in the law. The truth and ideal is necessarily somewhere in the middle.

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Originally Posted by african1

Federal law and interstate commerce statutes apply then. I doubt anyone wants to deal with that unless they really have to.

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Replying to your own post is kinda like talking to yourself ;) or the voices in your head ...

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Originally Posted by be2378

I don't know why people are pissed the Hispanic got off. The white guy wasn't on trial. The Hispanic got off with all white women the jury. What's the problem? If it was old white guys on the jury, then sure.

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Try again. One of the jurors was from Chicago and was (and always will be) Hispanic. Again, why bring the jurors' race into it?

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Originally Posted by BBaggins06

Now that is just wrong Trish and you know it. You're better than that. If you seriously believe what you wrote here, then I lost much of the respect I had for you. Sweeping generalities like should be beneath you ...

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(trish)It's not a few. It's thousands. And accidents don't just happen to the low IQ, though I admit it takes a pretty low IQ to decide to carry a gun to begin with.

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Sweeping generality, made in mocking response to an idiotic claim. My bad.

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(trish)Police officers have accidents all the time. Trained veterans.

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True statement (if by "all the time" one means "almost daily". Just peruse the link provided in that post. Almost every day a gun expert is involved in an firearm accident. I certainly would rather hunt with people who have had some training, but training is not the panacea against accidents the believers claim it to be. Even the trained get distracted, hurried or fooled by unusual circumstances.

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Originally Posted by african1

...because all governments, democratic or not, like the king the Framers had to deal with, like Germany in which the National Socialists won the Federal elections during the 1930s, can become tyrannical.

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Lol

Godwin's Law - it was just a matter of time ... You lose

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Originally Posted by trish

Sweeping generality, made in mocking response to an idiotic claim. My bad.

True statement (if by "all the time" one means "almost daily". Just peruse the link provided in that post. Almost every day a gun expert is involved in an firearm accident. I certainly would rather hunt with people who have had some training, but training is not the panacea against accidents the believers claim it to be. Even the trained get distracted, hurried or fooled by unusual circumstances.

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Everything you said would have been fine without the ad hominem argument on anyone wishing to get a concealed carry permit ... It was just so out of character for you, very surprising ...