FBI just released this picture of two suspects....
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FBI just released this picture of two suspects....
suspects?they know their nationality or only the pic posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
These guys are together but looking in completely different directions in more than a few photos. In one, they're even standing on opposite sides of someone who looks like a perfect stranger to them. That's scouting behavior. It's not open-and-shut evidence, but it's certainly a reason to look in their direction.
Gods help them if they're guilty. Boston will come down on them with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns.
~BB~
Comfort Dogs Arrive In Boston To Help With The Healing:
http://www.businessinsider.com/comfo...bombing-2013-4
Maybe, BB. But let's hope that whoever is charged receives the full and unbiased treatment of the justice system. We defeat terrorism, whether domestically or internationally inspired, by demonstrating our humanity, not by descending to their levels of savagery.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Boil them in oil. Fitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
HD PICTURES OF SUSPECTS in Boston bombing
they might have been cleared
look at the HD pictures of these suspects
http://i.imgur.com/AmMP3z4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bXKKC9Dh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bXKKC9Dh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Jn82qarh.jpg
backpack/bag gone now!
http://i.imgur.com/RdUh9PNh.jpg
all HD photos below
http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
http://i.imgur.com/Jn82qarh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bXKKC9Dh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bXKKC9Dh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AmMP3z4.jpg
Release the drones!
How the heck would you know? Of course I don't know that you are wrong, But whether these grossly misguided people were Muslim extremists, ultra right wing"patriots" or a nut job who was pissed that his wanna be girlfriend was denied entry to the marathon, I would doubt that they would stop if we gave them an unbiased trial. Oh a fair trial , never mind America is great. You can try to enlighten me, there is nothing wrong with that, but somehow I feel a second grader thinks the same way and is just as wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
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Originally Posted by Jonny29
Of course fanatics don't consider the possible personal consequences of their actions. What I'm saying is that one of the hallmarks of a civilised society is that it dispenses justice in a dispassionate and objective way. To do anything less merely takes you to the level of the fanatic.
What's your alternative? Lynch law? Vigilantes? I'm struggling to work it out.
Release the drones!
Holding onto the American principles of innocent until proven guilt is what is important, not what that constitutional protections would have on future terrorist behavior.
It is important because when we engage in Gitmo style opaque justice we lose just a little bit of the "freedom" so many who will yell for lynching and defend the 2nd Amendment.
"Off with their heads' is of course a natural first feeling but citizenship often comes with the heavy price of always consider due process, i.e. the law. Much of the Patriot ACT was as much an act of cowards as it was a bill conceived to give the executive more power while feeding the fears/anger of the masses.
A total fuckwit and a disgrace to America.
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs_ZiIs1soY
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEYoxwllFKc
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Originally Posted by robertlouis
He's completely mental - it will be no surprise when he grabs a gun and takes out a building.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...9zK/story.html
Looks like they got them.
White hat is still at large.
One bombing suspect now reported to have been "shot dead" the other stillon the loose. This posted at 04.30 Boston time.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...watertown.html
THE HUNT FOR SUSPECT TWO
Between one and two in the morning, after shooting scenes in two Boston suburbs, a man was reportedly taken into custody. “One marathon suspect has been captured, according to an official with knowledge of the investigation,” the Boston Globe reported on its Web site. “Another remains on the loose in Watertown after a firefight with police.” By four in the morning, there was one important change: the Middlesex County District Attorney released a statement saying that the suspect who was caught had also been shot; he had been taken to a hospital, and he was now “deceased.” They were still chasing the second man.
Ed Davis, the Boston police commissioner, came out to say that “what we are looking for now is a suspect consistent with the description of Suspect No. 2”—“the white-capped individual” whose picture had been released by the F.B.I. in connection with the Boston Marathon bombings. (Davis also tweeted, “White hat suspect at large.”) He showed a security-video image from a 7-Eleven, and said that “several explosive devices were discharged from the car at the police officers.” He called him a terrorist; he told people to be careful.
For hours, there had been no confirmation that this was about the Boston Marathon bombings, as opposed to a campus shooting or a carjacking or something else. There were only guesses, extrapolations from things like sightings of a clutch of F.B.I. agents in Watertown, where there were scores of local officers and a helicopter circling. The caveats were based on knowing that at this moment, with all the fear in the city, something could easily look like what it wasn’t. The one point of agreement was that an M.I.T. police officer was already dead. The university released a statement saying that it was “heartbroken.” A Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority officer had been shot, too, and was in the hospital.
Here is how the narrative of the night began: just after 5 P.M., the F.B.I. released photographs of Suspect One and Suspect Two, men who looked relatively young. Suspect One had on a black baseball cap, and Suspect Two a white one, and the face of Suspect Two, in particular, was clear enough to recognize. He was the one the F.B.I. said had dropped a bag near the marathon finish line, just before one of the blasts. Then, six hours later, M.I.T. issued an alert saying that there was gunfire on campus, at 10:48, near its Building 32: “The area is cordoned off.” In rapid succession, there were reports of injuries and advisories that everyone should stay indoors, an injunction that was in place until just before 2 A.M.
By then, half the world was listening to the Boston police scanner, and many rushed to Watertown, reporting on what they saw by way of Twitter. Every word that could be used to describe a shot or a bang or a minor explosion came into play, mostly framed by confusion. The inventory of items people thought they saw or heard included grenades, pressure cookers, a bomb-squad robot, the screeching tires of getaway cars. There were tweets about a suspect told to take off his clothes—the guess was that it was to see if there were explosives strapped to his body. Just after 3 A.M., CNN broadcast video of a man, stripped and in handcuffs, being led to a police car; the network blurred out some of his nakedness, but his face was visible. (Since he is neither dead or a fugitive, it now seems that he is not one of the suspects.) On television, there was footage of the body of a man in a tracksuit on the ground. As the gunfire stopped, the F.B.I. released more photos, with better images of the suspects on the day of the marathon. It seemed that there was a chase.
The attention was now on Watertown, where the police had reportedly set up a twenty-block perimeter. An alert was sent to residents not to open the doors for anyone but the police, who would be going door to door, CNN reported. We are following the story, looking to unravel what happened tonight, and, just maybe, what happened about four hours into the marathon on Monday.
The two suspects are brothers, Russian muslim immigrants from Chechnya.
BOSTON (AP) — Tamerlan Tsarnaev practiced martial arts and boxing, even aspiring to fight on the U.S. Olympic team. Dzhozkar Tsarnaev had been on the wrestling team at a prestigious high school and won a scholarship from the city to pursue higher education. Neighbors recalled the ethnic Chechen brothers, living on a quiet street in Cambridge, Mass., riding bikes and skateboards.
Two brothers, one dead, one alive and at large. After hours of only grainy images of two men in baseball caps to go on, a portrait gradually emerged Friday of the men suspected in the Boston Marathon bombing.
The brothers, who came from a Russian region near Chechnya, lived together on Norfolk Street in Cambridge. They had been in the country for about a decade, according to an uncle, Ruslan Tsarni of Montgomery Village, Md.
Less was immediately known about Tamerlan, believed to be 26 when he was killed overnight in a shootout. He was the stockier one identified in video released to the public, wearing a black baseball cap and khaki pants. He was involved in martial arts, and competed in boxing matches. According to a crime website he was once arrested for domestic assault on a girlfriend.
"I don't have a single American friend. I don't understand them." he was quoted as saying in a photo package that appeared in a Boston University student magazine in 2010.
He identified himself as a Muslim and said he did not drink or smoke: "God said no alcohol." He said he hoped to fight for the U.S. Olympic team and become a naturalized American. He said he was studying at Bunker Hill Community College to become an engineer.
Dzhokhar, 19, attended the prestigious Cambridge Rindge and Latin school, participating on the wrestling team. In May 2011, his senior year, he was awarded a $2,500 scholarship from the city to pursue higher education, according to a news release at the time. That scholarship was celebrated with a reception at city hall.
He attended the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth, Mass., university officials said Friday.
The school would not say what he was studying. The father of the suspects, Anzor Tsaraev, told the AP his younger son was "a second-year medical student," though he graduated high school in 2011.
"My son is a true angel ...," he said by telephone from the Russian city of Makhachkala. "He is such an intelligent boy. We expected him to come on holidays here."
Dzhokhar's page on the Russian social networking site Vkontakte says that before moving to the United States, he attended School No. 1 in Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim republic in Russia's North Caucasus that has become an epicenter of the Islamic insurgency that spilled over from Chechnya. On the site, he describes himself as speaking Chechen as well as English and Russian. His world view is described as "Islam" and he says his personal goal is "career and money."
Tim Kelleher, a wrestling coach for a Boston school that competed in 2010 against Dzhokhar's team, said the young man was a good wrestler, and that he'd never heard him express any political opinions.
"He was a tough, solid kid, just quiet," said Kelleher, now a Boston public school teacher.
Deana Beaulieu, a 20-year-old student at Bunker Hill Community College who lives two blocks away from the suspects' home on Norfolk Street, said she went to high school with Dzhokhar and was friendly with his sister. She hadn't seen him since they graduated in 2011.
Speaking on the corner of Norfolk Street, she said she first met the younger brother in 2006 when she started seventh grade at the Cambridge Community Charter School and visited the family at their second-floor apartment that year. She recalled meeting the parents there.
"He was just a quiet kid," Beaulieu said of Dzhokhar, noting that she doesn't recall his ever expressing any political views. "I thought he was going to branch off to college, and now this is what he's done. ... I don't understand what the hell happened, what set him off like this."
Dzhokhar appeared in the video released by authorities on Thursday, identified as Suspect Number 2, striding down a sidewalk, unnoticed by spectators who were absorbed in the race. He followed Tamerlan by about 10 feet. He wore what appeared to be a gray hoodie under a dark jacket and pants, and a white baseball cap facing backward and pulled down haphazardly.
Tamerlan was wearing khaki pants, a light T-shirt, and a dark jacket. The brim of his baseball cap faced forward, and he may have been wearing sunglasses.
According to the website spotcrime.com, Tamerlan was arrested for domestic violence in July 2009, after assaulting his girlfriend. That report could not be immediately confirmed.
He was an amateur boxer, listed as a competitor in a National Golden Gloves competition in 2009. In a local news article in 2004, someone identified as Tamerlan spoke about his boxing and his views of America.
"I like the USA," Tamerlan was quoted as saying in The Sun of Lowell, Mass. "America has a lot of jobs. That's something Russia doesn't have. You have a chance to make money here if you are willing to work."
The paper quoted Tamerlan's trainer, Gene McCarthy, as saying: "He has a lot of heart. That's the key." It said he loved music, and played the piano and violin.
probably not the smartest move robbing a 711 when 20,000 cops are looking for you.
It was actually the smartest thing they could have done for the LEO"s just not for them. If they hadn't done it then they might have been in the wind for a few more weeks and hurts many more people. At least this way the remaining guy is burning out and everything he does from here on out isn't a direct attack but just way to distract the cops and put off his inevitable death. The only real issue now is whether or not he kills himself or a bunch of other people in his final stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
Just when you thought people on this board were attention whores.
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I never would have thought that someone that smoked as much weed as Jahar would be on the News for terrorism.
Excellent pull together of what is presently known about the surviving suspect...Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...-boston/64382/
A lot of things happening here that don't make sense...according to the NYT, the cops are in a running car chase/gun fight with these guys...one of them is killed and the other one drives the car thru the cops, gets clean away, and now they can't find him.
With the all the LE that's been mobilized? Really?
I am not doing well with speculations at the moment, but if the bombers were connected to an al-Qaeda group or affiliate, surely they would have chosen to 'become martyrs' by blowing themselves up along with any bystanders?
From the NYT:
A Watertown resident, Andrew Kitzenberg, 29, said he looked out his third-floor window to see two young men of slight build in jackets engaged in “constant gunfire” with police officers. A police SUV “drove towards the shooters,” he said, and was shot at until it was severely damaged. It rolled out of control, Mr. Kitzenberg said, and crashed into two cars in his driveway.
The two shooters, he said, had a large, unwieldy bomb that he said looked “like a pressure cooker.”
“They lit it, still in the middle of the gunfire, and threw it. But it went 20 yards at most.” It exploded, he said, and one of the two men ran toward the gathered police officers. He was tackled, but it was not clear if he was shot, Mr. Kitzenberg said.
The explosions, said another resident, Loretta Kehayias, 65, “lit up the whole house. I screamed. I’ve never seen anything like this, never, never, never.”
Meanwhile, the other young man, said Mr. Kitzenberg, got back into the SUV, turned it toward officers and “put the pedal to the metal.” The car “went right through the cops, broke right through and continued west.”
What? With every conceivable LE agency involved this guy got clean away?
I hope they get him alive, give him a fair trial, find him guilty, give life with no parole and put him in general population. After a week you'd be able to drive a car thru his asshole.
Wherever that fuck is now I wonder if he feels it was worth it. This won't end well for him. Live and learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
dead perp spent 6 months in Russia last year. Need to find out what he was doing there and who he was with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Father in Russia wants other son to surrender but threatens "all hell will break loose" if he is killed. We had a character that threatened our police. They eventually pulled that pig out of a slow cooker with an apple hanging out of his mouth.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...reak-loose-if/
Chechen aunt calling BS live on TV.
Maret Tsarnaev
What's astounding to me is how an entire major American city is in lockdown right now as they look for this guy (s)
I agree, it's crazy to think that a city has been brought to a halt since 10 PM last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
The whole event is astonishing. Which leads me to wonder is the DHS effective?
Agreed. His big bro went out in a hail of gunfire and they were so broke they had to try and rob a 7-11. Before last night everyone on the news was talking about how well prepared these guys were. Seriously? They obviously had no escape plan and the one guy didn't even try to disguise himself. Then they hung out and watched it happen. Fortunately they were complete amateurs.The only surprising thing at the moment is why the asshole hasn't been caught or lit up yet. I bet he's in a drain pipe asking himself why he signed up for this shit and isn't in class on his pre-med scholarship right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
In my opinion, no. DHS is just another layer of bureaucracy, and they are relative new commers versus other agencies like FBI, NSA etc. I think the aftermath of Katrina tells you everything you need to know- they bungled the humanitarian logistics but rolled in like they expected a war. I see some paralells here, with guys driving around Boston in Humvees imposing a dawn to dawn curfew.Quote:
Originally Posted by dderek123
The boys' father was interviewed in Dagestan which is where the Russian war with Chechnya in the 1990s began as part of an attempt to create an Islamic Republic in the Caucasus -the funding and most of the Emirs in Dagestan came from Saudi Arabia and though successively killed there has been some cross-fertilisation of Saudi and Chechen versions of Jihad -the wars of the 1860s in which the Russians used savage and brutal ethnic cleansing meant that some Chechen and Dagestani joined the Circassian in exile in various parts of the Ottoman Empire -the Circassians famously settled in Amman in 1878 at a time when it had no settled population but was used as grazing land by the Bani Sakhr -one of the most powerful bedouin tribes in Jordan. The Circassians subsquently formed a close relationship with the Hashemite royal family and provided them with bodyguards, probably still do although the community has dwindled in recent decades. There is a small community of Circassian origin in Israel and also in Syria -one of the Chechen Emirs in the recent wars with Russia was Jordanian by origin.Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
I don't see any direct connection between these long standing grievances between the Russians and the Chechens and the USA, perhaps we will find out.
There is an article on the desperate situation in Dagestan from Der Spiegel (in English) 2010 here:
http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2010/0...sian-dagestan/
Yeah I agree with you. I just hope the powers that be don't use this event as a means for rationalizing more funding for DHS-like bullshit. What's next are they going to ban marathons and pressure cookers? Are they going to deploy air drones to spy on "suspicious" activity. 'Murika!Quote:
Originally Posted by up_for_it
It's dicey to try to attach rationality to people who commit acts of terror. The root cause has to be deep seated insanity. What political motive could be worth inflicting death and injury on men, women, and children who are in no way connected to your source of grievance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
At least Putin will have a vested interest in using the full weight of Russian authority in getting these terrorist cells in Chechnya. I would start with the father.
That's why its so vital to apprehend this younger brother alive. To find out everything he knows about his brother's trip and who helped them. And to find out what makes a person snap and become a murderer.
True in a way. The only people that want him dead more than many of us are the people he works for. Loose ends and a hysterically desperate 19 year old making decisions for himself now.Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
Well the shut down because of logistics on the ground because of the fire fight appear too slow to seal off the parameter in time.
I hope they catch the younger brother alive too and that normal due process can be followed. At any rate I'd think that between the brothers the computers, email accounts and phone records will tell a lot of the story.
DHS in theory was never a bad idea, it was just horribly executed under GWB. The theory is that when dealing with terrorism, it is a mix of local police world-wide, federal level intelligence world wide and black ops. This is not a convention battle and by having one agency overseeing the consolidation of data for all agencies to use is way more effective than taking Nation states to war after an attack.
I'd like to see the younger brother captured alive just to demonstrate to everyone who believes that indefinite detention and torture work and that our laws don't are wrong.
The proportionality here is that Israel lives with constant senseless attacks like this so we must take in stride that if idiots are determined enough no amount of largess will protect us from the idiots. And that we can arrest, detain, conduct sophisticated interrogation without torture, hold a trial and incarcerate the idiot.
As soon as we lose proportionality the terrorists win because we abandon our laws and assurance of justice for all.
That said I personally would like maim the MF*ker.